[SPOILER] Matrix Reloaded Explanations


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Here's my little contribution into the discussion.

The Matrix works like a complicated network. There is not ONE CPU doing all the work, with each person's mind being only a process. Rather, the Matrix uses the combined processing power of the minds of everyone who is hooked up to the Matrix to create the Matrix. The raw efficiency of it is typical of the machines. They uses humans not just as energy, but also as parts of their machine. Cogs and wheels. The choices that people make within the Matrix create a certain amount of deviance that the Matrix can't compensate for and at some critical point this must all be downloaded into one person. To do this, they wipe a persons mind and fill it with this type of catch all program to grab the bits and pieces. In essence, the body of a man with the mind of a machine. This machine has it's own AI so that it believes it is truely human. It uses a human's brain, but it is a mind created by machines. This person will become The One, escape the Matrix, and reboot it to further perfect the Matrix. It's a way the machines have of coping with the unpredictable. The machines base everything on logic. All of the "Ones" previous to Neo have been machines. Logically, it is better to save 23 people and "hope" for a better outcome next time around than to possibly kill all of humanity. For all the posturing of the other Ones, they were still just machines carrying out their pre-programmed function: to reboot the Matrix.

And now, Neo. Neo's name is not just an anagram for One, it also means "new." They also refer to Neo as an "anamoly," which is, a thing without a name. Neo is a machine that has become human. He has become human based on Love and Hope, which do not opperate on logic, but rather on intuition. He is a "new" being, a being "without a name." When the Architect notes Neo's quicker response than expected, it hints at the idea raised by some scientists that Intuition is faster than Logic and much less fallible. Neo is "different" because he has become human, when all of the previous Ones merely made a passable show of it. In the first movie, Morpheus states that if the Machines had known what he knew that they would never have let Neo out of custody. The Machines obviously planned and knew that Neo was "the One" and expected him like before to "be born inside the matrix" and be the one to "free the first of us" as Morpheus said, but Morpheus also knew that Neo would be not only the One but the one who would set them free from the Machines. Who would choose the left door. This further ties in with the Christ theme. Neo is both man and machine in the same way that Jesus was both god and man. It's a paradox that can not fully be understood by logic. In the end, of course Neo will have to sacrifice himself to save Morpheus (and all of humanity) as the Oracle predicted because he has to bring down the Matrix from the inside, like Samson when he pulled down the two pillars.

So where does Agent Smith fit in? Agent Smith is much like Neo in that he has also become human in a similar way that Neo has. He has experienced real human emotion: Hate. Neo earned his humanity by realizing the best parts of our nature and Smith has gained his through the worst.

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Did you see them punch each other in the chest? They both flew back the same amount. They are either evenly matched or Agent Smith believes that they are (pride).

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So what happens when one Smith finally gets beaten by Neo, another one who lined up fights next?

that would be funnny

each one learning from the mistakes of the last...

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Yes, he is a virus.

Zero, you kick ass. You're hitting it closer to anybody I've seen. Neo is not only an anomaly, he is a program, I think. Ever wonder why the Oracle calls him "kiddo" or why the agents can't track him like the humans? I think he's a program, much like herself, because he is more a part of the Matrix than any of the other humans. Like you said, he's the best of both worlds. He was able to sense the sentinels and stop them, hinting that Zion is a part of the Matrix, of course. Keanu himself said that the first one is about birth, the second: life, the third, death. He is special because he is a program simply made to keep the humans under the illusion of a Messiah, but he has learned to love, he has become human.

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Damn this is a big thread! ;)

I haven't read all of it so apologise if i duplicate anything but wanted to say a few things while i thought of it:

The Matrix Online will occur AFTER Revolutions as has already been said so the Matrix MUST exist in some form.

In the Animatrix we are treated to some machine being "changed" so that they work for humans by "showing them a better way" - plugging them in and showing them a different reality where humans and machine are friends. Once machine emerge from the program their "eye" light change from red to green to indicate thatthey are no longer part of the machines "network"

When Neo and the councillor go to the engineering level to talk the councillor talks about the symbiosis of man and machine - they need each other to survive. It is not just a case of the machines needing man to "feed on"

Perhaps the "revolution" is the realisation that they need to co-exist. Somewhere along the line maybe that symbiosis is extended.

The apparent link between man and machine in Neo and Smith may point towards this.

Somewhere is a reference to the end of Revolutions being whacky and "all about love" so is it that man and machine will learn to tolerate each other and live together - true yin and yang - a true harmony?

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it's amazing and shocking how the story is turning into a big rip of famous mangas and anime.... i mean, almost every part of the movie is based in some idea/concept from a old or even recent manga or anime (the idea of people being process is taken from LAIN, for exemple :angry: , and in that anime the story is basically the same as the matrix, except that that anime was made before the original movie :/

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anyone figure out who this person was? it was mentioned in another post but some people mistook who the poster meant with the girl recieving the cake...in fact the person being -what looks to be- lead out by the man behind him looks to be a man with long hair...this is right before neo, morpheus and trinity meet the information collector and persephone and the twins at the table...neo focuses on him as he is being lead out and for a moment they lock eyes, but soon exits frame and neo refocuses back to the table...

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Thank you for the screenshot!!! I've asked who that person is a couple times in this forum but I think most people just don't remember that scene. It's a very strange split second moment of the movie. It seems like that person is important but then we don't see anything more if him. Could it be an important exhile being led away for his own saftey from Neo, Morpheus, and Trinity.

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Thank you for the screenshot!!! I've asked who that person is a couple times in this forum but I think most people just don't remember that scene. It's a very strange split second moment of the movie. It seems like that person is important but then we don't see anything more if him. Could it be an important exhile being led away for his own saftey from Neo, Morpheus, and Trinity?

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You during the first The Matrix. Someone asked the Wachowski brothers about the story. They made a comment that they believe in theology, philosophy and higher mathematics.

Someone at C.H.U.D. brings a radical idea with regard to this higher mathematics with regard to chaos theory and order within math. Basically Neo being the anomoly is chaos in math. The Matrix is order. Well, it is kinda complicated. I can copy and paste if you guys want to read it...

Me? I don't think Neo is a program but I do believe he is part machine and human. There are hints with regard to him being "human" and "machine"...

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Sorry about the double post up above. I think that's awesome how the Wachowski brothers believe in theology, philosophy and higher mathematics and used that while making the movie. It's awesome watching the Matrix movies knowing there are deeper meanings to it all. I can't even imagine how big of a thread about Revolutions will get. You know they can't just end the movies with a happy, eplain it all ending.

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whoa -- didn't notice that.

It must be a reference to the architect.

Thats really good - that means they actually thought about the whole plot before releasing the first one - reloaded and revolutions aren't just tacked on to "the matrix"

The Matrix was originally sold as a trilogy. The studio wanted to see how well the first one did before committing. It's in the interview with Joel Silver in Matrix Revisited.

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it's amazing and shocking how the story is turning into a big rip of famous mangas and anime.... i mean, almost every part of the movie is based in some idea/concept from a old or even recent manga or anime (the idea of people being process is taken from LAIN, for exemple :angry: , and in that anime the story is basically the same as the matrix, except that that anime was made before the original movie :/

Rumor is that the Wachowski brothers walked into an office somewhere to show off whtt hey wanted to do. They put in a tape and started playing an anime cartoon. (I'm sure someone somewhere even knows which one.) Afterwards, they basically said, "We wanna make this movie kinda like this, but with actors instead of cartoons..."

(or something along those lines....)

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Ok I'm back with a interesting tack-on theory from another website courtesy of Slater Cancels Christmas....

"Ideas, thoughts, and speculations after a second viewing:

--The purpose of "the anamoly" in question is more than simply to reset the Matrix. The Architect implies that all of these circular Matrices are designed to test and study the anomoly, in an attempt to weed it out of the system, thus creating perfection. The anomoly in question isn't Neo...it's the concept of love. The first batch of The Ones were specifically programmed to experience the human emotion of love, but in a very general sense, manifesting as a love for all of mankind. Neo is the machines' attempt to focus the study, since thanks to the Oracle's influence, his love for Trinity has grown very specific, and thus difficult to predetermine. Love is the emotion that the machines cannot feel, and thus, cannot understand or predict. By creating Messianic figures within the world of the Matrix, they create virtual templates where constant love is projected and reflected through them. That's the purpose of this entire little game--to study the relationship between love and power on its most basic and elemental level.

--And if the above theory is correct, it makes the purpose of the Merovingian pretty obvious. He's a program that writes human emotions in code form, a routing program that "traffics information" into predetermined patterns and rhythms approximating human emotoions.

--Persephone is the only vampire in the film, not the twins or Cain and Abel. She is an emotional vampire, a program designed to test and sample human emotion through physical contact. That's the reason behind her kiss, and the reason she helps Neo free the Keymaker. She tests Neo to sample whether or not his love is genuine (and therefore, whether or not he will be useful to the Architect yet). That is her purpose.

--If the real world actually IS "the real world", then they're going to need a damn good explaination how a binary set of ones and zeros can possess a man's mind, or how direct contact with Agent Smith can provide Neo with the ability to create telepathic links with the sentinels. Saying that "some of Agent Smith rubbed off on Neo" just won't cut it. The Brothers have dug themselves a hole here, and there aren't many ways out of it. Either the real world is just another Matrix, or they're asking the audience to buy some pretty incredible leaps of faith. My money is still on the former." End quote.

Wow. Love. Isn't that what the Matrix was about? Love, love between Trinity and Neo? This would explain the Architect and Persophone storyline. I never thought of this. Is it true? Who knows. Just more theories to throw at ya!!!

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The Brothers have dug themselves a hole here, and there aren't many ways out of it. Either the real world is just another Matrix, or they're asking the audience to buy some pretty incredible leaps of faith. My money is still on the former.

My thoughts exactly

really interesting article - but how can he tell that the machines can't feel love, if they can feel other emotions? fits together very nicely though, except for the sentinals bit, like the quote says.

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I think Agent Smith loaded himself into the guys brain the same way a training program gets loaded by an operator on one of the zion ships.

When a person is living in the matrix I think when they learn a program gets loaded (fed) into their brain a little at a time as they appear to learn it in their "life" through courses or whatever. The way it's loaded into their brains when they are free by an operator is just accelerated. If all those training excercises can be rapidly loaded into the brain I think other things could be as well.

A human mind in the matrix is "networked" for lack of a better word with the matrix. The brain could be treated as a piece of software just as on computer systems a device could be treated as a directory and Agent Smith overwrote that software as a result of some new powers\knowledge passed on to him when Neo destroyed him in the original Matrix movie.

Remember when the agents injected some kind of serum into Morpheus in the original matrix to change his brain pattern so he'd reveal the access codes to the zion mainframe? Same thing pretty much.

Actually when I think about it some more, all agents probably have the abilities that Agent Smith gets but when Agent Smith got changed when Neo destroyed him he is less bound by the laws that the other agents are bound to. This explains the infecting and the cloning, etc. Kind of like changing a file from write only to read\write.

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My thoughts exactly

really interesting article - but how can he tell that the machines can't feel love, if they can feel other emotions? fits together very nicely though, except for the sentinals bit, like the quote says.

the best explanation I can come up with for that is that Neo is part machine... only thing that makes sense.

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I dont see what the problem is with Smith being in the real world? All he did was wipe the other mind, and overwrite himself onto it, then that got sent instead of the other dude.

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I think Morpheos etc would know if he were a machine - they had to patch him up.

and anyway, why is it different this time? "something's different, I can feel them"

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