[SPOILER] Matrix Reloaded Explanations


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I think Morpheos etc would know if he were a machine - they had to patch him up.

and anyway, why is it different this time? "something's different, I can feel them"

thats what our debate is trying to clear up, guess we wont know till the next movie

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Hi guys! My opinion about the matrix reloaded resides in quantum physics.

I'll explain; the real is not real, cause the real is not based in reality, but yet in what is real for

Architect; doesn't matter if it's men or machine; it's like our brain, it gives dimension to perception

and multiplies the possible interpretations in infinite probabilities of levels by percepting "real", and

like quantum physics, it never knows at the same time the spin and the position of the Electron in

the Atom, it knows only one thing at a time; but it has conciousness about the existence

of other "realities".

How does one constructs real? I'll answer; by placing Ego and Alter-Ego (Neo and Smith) in the

universe of multiple choices. Reflects love, hate and uncertain; duality between what is right or rong.

Isn't the Matrix a Brain? Isn't the Architect a men, and the Oracle his framework?

I'll Develop my idea later, it's late here and i have to go to work tomorrow!

Please coment :D

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I went and saw it for a second time last night. In the scene where the agents interrupt the meeting of the captains, the says, "he [Neo] is still, only human" and some people seemed to read too much into this. The inflection used in that phrase meant that Neo might be an anomaly and have special abilities but he was still "just a human being". They were dismissing him as just an ordinary human adversary.

Someone mentioned Neo's dreams concerning Trinity while in the "real world" as evidence of a matrix within a matrix. Think back to his meeting with the Oracle on the park bench. Did you notice that she said he had achieved the "sight" when he mentioned his dreams? No matrix within a matrix.

@tronmaster: I paid close attention to the scene where Neo disabled the sentinels. Neo did disable them somehow and you should not forget that this is science "fiction". They are not bound by our physical laws.

I have a theory though about what happened. Did you notice that Bane (the guy infected by Agent Smith in the matrix) was left alone by the sentinels? I started thinking back to the first matrix movie when the agents had Morpheus and they had ordered the sentinels to trace and attack the Nebekanezzar (sp?). I believe that the sentinels and agents are closely related, perhaps even to the point of where the agents are the avatars of the sentinels in the matrix.

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I went and saw it for a second time last night. In the scene where the agents interrupt the meeting of the captains, the says, "he [Neo] is still, only human" and some people seemed to read too much into this. The inflection used in that phrase meant that Neo might be an anomaly and have special abilities but he was still "just a human being". They were dismissing him as just an ordinary human adversary.

Someone mentioned Neo's dreams concerning Trinity while in the "real world" as evidence of a matrix within a matrix. Think back to his meeting with the Oracle on the park bench. Did you notice that she said he had achieved the "sight" when he mentioned his dreams? No matrix within a matrix.

@tronmaster: I paid close attention to the scene where Neo disabled the sentinels. Neo did disable them somehow and you should not forget that this is science "fiction". They are not bound by our physical laws.

I have a theory though about what happened. Did you notice that Bane (the guy infected by Agent Smith in the matrix) was left alone by the sentinels? I started thinking back to the first matrix movie when the agents had Morpheus and they had ordered the sentinels to trace and attack the Nebekanezzar (sp?). I believe that the sentinels and agents are closely related, perhaps even to the point of where the agents are the avatars of the sentinels in the matrix.

Only thing is if the sentinals are themselves agents they wouldn't care about smith. Just like in the "burly fight" an agent saw smith and said "you" as if he wasn't pleased to see him. Smith was a free agent probably marked for deletion. That is unless not all the agents are clued in to what Agent Smiths purpose is being unplugged from the agent system.

I think smith (in human guise) was probably the one who set off the EMP early, and he knew how to avoid being killed but instead put into a coma when the sentinals attacked.

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Someone mentioned Neo's dreams concerning Trinity while in the "real world" as evidence of a matrix within a matrix. Think back to his meeting with the Oracle on the park bench. Did you notice that she said he had achieved the "sight" when he mentioned his dreams? No matrix within a matrix.

A computer program has given someone in the real world psychic powers, thats why i think that it must be part of the matrix too

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What is he's just got sight. He probably picked that up from inside the matrix. After all, the machines seem pretty good at modelling and predicting the future. (after all it is just a bunch of calculations). The dream was also of an even inside the matrix.

Secondly,a matrix in a matrix was denied by keanu and wachowski. There is lots of corrobated evidence against that anyways.

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I also still have a suspicion that neo never left the matrix. The arhitect said trinity was dead and there was nothing he could do about it. What if the door he went through took him to an alternate reality or something. Maybe that's why it was "different" when he "left". Just some food for thought.

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Wow, this thread is an impressive discussion! I just saw reloaded earlier today, and I was so blown away. How could anyone not like this movie?

I also don't believe it's a matrix within a matrix, I think neo has become more of a machine with the infusion with Agent Smith.

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you guys need to play Enter The Matrix, it gives a lot of new info, also has spoilers for Revolutions....and like I said the W. Borthers said they will not do the Matrix withing Matrix twist.

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Ok, due to the whole Matrix Online thing I'm pretty sure my idea about Neo having to destroy the Matrix is out. After all, there are 6 billion people in there. Certainly they can't all go to Zion and also, almost all of them simply can not be freed from the Matrix without going completely insane. The Matrix must go on, but run by man instead of machines.

It's obnoxious how people keep bringing up the idea of a Matrix within a Matrix. Give it up already, that's just not it. One, it's been denied by everyone involved in the movie and two, it's just a stupid and overused idea.

It is entirely possible for Neo to have powers in the real world. All his mental working out within the Matrix had to open up unknown portions of his mind. It stands to reason that the first use of them would send him into a coma due to the immense amount of energy it would take. Even if the "real world" in the movie works on the same principles as our real world you have to note that in the real world there are no Scientific Laws. There are tendencies. Any modern science course will tell you the same.

As for the Zeros and Ones comment, the programming language of the Matrix is beyond simply binary. It's not just on and off. There are stages in between.

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I found this very intresting, this is part of the conversation between Niobe and the Oracle in Enter the Matrix, this has to be something important

Niobe: "Then Neo is alive?"

Oracle: "Yes,he touched the source and separated his mind from his body. Now he lies trapped in a place between your world and ours."

Niobe: "Can we free him?"

Oracle: "Trinity can, but she will have to fight her way through hell to do it."

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I also still have a suspicion that neo never left the matrix. The arhitect said trinity was dead and there was nothing he could do about it. What if the door he went through took him to an alternate reality or something. Maybe that's why it was "different" when he "left". Just some food for thought.

good point...

i dont know what to believe about the matrix within a matrix though...it could be, and just because keanu and the w.brothers denied it doesnt mean anything...does anyone expect them to tell whats gonna happen yet?

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I found this very intresting, this is part of the conversation between Niobe and the Oracle in Enter the Matrix, this has to be something important

Niobe: "Then Neo is alive?"

Oracle: "Yes,he touched the source and separated his mind from his body. Now he lies trapped in a place between your world and ours."

Niobe: "Can we free him?"

Oracle: "Trinity can, but she will have to fight her way through hell to do it."

I got the game, but I am only on Chapter 4, The one after the Airport.

I play SLOW... actually I like to do get online more. I don't like to play the game I own nonstop.

So, what chapter is this going to happen?

Is Neo in the game at all?

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I bet you that the W bros purposely made the movie this open-ended, for three reasons. 1. So the Matrix would be the topic of discussion for awhile. 2. So people would see the movie mulitple times. 3. So people would see the sequal. There are 1000 different things that could happen, we just have to wait to figure out what the W bros do with it. There is no right explination of Reloaded, its all based on interpritation(spelling?).

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yea, that was a genious way to end Reloaded... makes you HAVE to see Revolutions, cuz Reloaded just isn't enough!! it leaves with the questions how, why, what, and who?.... Everything will be summed up in Revolutions and boy I can't wait. All this speculations is good to think about... but the absolute truth will be even better

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MATRIX RELOADED:

The Zion Loop Explained

F.E.T.F.

After having watched the much-awaited sequel to the Matrix, everyone who has seen it should have by now realized that the most important scene in the movie is the encounter between Neo and the Architect of the Matrix. Everything that happens before this encounter is merely instrumental and leads to this most significant event. The superb CGI fight scenes, the introduction of rogue sentient programs like the Key Maker, the Merovingian and the Twins, Neo?s new superpowers, the replicating virus Agent Smith, as well as the new cast of characters from Zion are all interesting but are purely tangential to the new revelation that is made apparent to Neo by the Architect. After all, the Wachowskis made the Matrix sell not solely due to the unique fight scenes but also, and perhaps more so, due to the revelation concerning reality within the Matrix movie.

The Architect ? a sentient program, explains to Neo that he created the Matrix ? a program designed specifically to enslave the sleeping minds of humans comprising the ?power plant?, which provides energy for the sentient machines. The first version of the Matrix was a failure because it was designed to be a perfect world. People?s minds rebelled against this perfect Matrix. The phenomenon of a prefect world inhabited by imperfect human minds eventually led to unnecessary deaths and ultimately deprived the machines of their energy source. This, we already know from Agent Smith when he held Morpheus captive and was attempting to obtain from him access to the Zion main frame during the first Matrix movie. The Architect in the sequel gives a similar explanation.

The Architect further explains that in order to

produce a better Matrix, he had to base it upon the imperfections of human history. To better serve the needs of the machines, this Matrix had to cater to flawed human thought. Human thinking then had to be examined and investigated and this required another sentient program to fulfill the role. Thus, the Oracle came into being. However, as the Architect implies, ?Oracle? was a name given to her by humans. At this point, it can be noted that the due to its specific role of understanding the human mind, the Oracle was the only sentient program with the greatest capability of understanding humans. Thus, the ability of the Oracle to ?predict? what human beings would do within the Matrix became manifest, similar perhaps to how well the best psychologist could predict what a person would do, if that psychologist had the best understanding of said individual.

As a best solution, the Oracle came up with improvements to the Matrix to accommodate the human mind. Yet despite being the best solution, the new Matrix could only be accepted by 99% of human minds hooked to it. 1% would always rebel or would inevitably ?free? themselves of the Matrix. Those who did free themselves would form the human ?rebellion? and constitute themselves as the last human city, Zion.

Faced with this, the machines came up with a mathematically precise prediction: that 1% of those hooked to the Matrix would always rebel, these rebels would grow in number, would eventually wage war and would always threaten the existence of the machines.

Thus, another solution was introduced with the help of the Oracle. An outlet had to be developed; like an automatic drainage system for floods that got out of hand. Human beings needed an outlet to enable the machines to stay in control of them.

Thus the ?Prophecy of the One? was conceived, and the Oracle would become part of the Matrix in order for humans to come into contact with her. They would not, however, be allowed to learn that she was a program and not human herself. With her prophetic ability to predict human behavior within the Matrix, it was easy for her to create an oracle-like reputation. She would then spread this new gospel: that there would come a freed human being capable of wondrous feats within the Matrix, who would lead the human rebellion to victory over the machines.

A human mind, on occasion, would be endowed with the capacity to surpass the programming rules of the Matrix ? an inherent flaw or ?anomaly? as the Architect calls it, within the present Matrix program. Yet even the inevitability of the anomaly or the ?one?, would be used by the machines in their grand ?prophecy? plan.

Once the ?one? is found, the machines would begin their assault against the human rebellion. The ultimate conclusion of this so-called ?prophecy?, as the Architect explains, would come when the ?one? enters the room with the door made of light, in which the Architect resides. At this point, the machines would be at the brink of destroying Zion. The one would then be faced with a stark choice. The first option is for the one to go back to the ?source? and allow Zion to be destroyed but, in return, he would be allowed by the machines to choose 16 women and 7 men to be freed from the Matrix to rebuild Zion. The other option is to save loved ones from imminent death but this would result in the destruction of the Matrix and the death of all human beings.

The Architect reveals to Neo that this ?prophecy? has so far worked in favor of the machines, as Neo discovers that he is in fact the 6th ?one? to face the Architect. All of Neo?s predecessors apparently have chosen to go back to the source and save human beings from extinction. The past existence of five other ?ones? are confirmed in the movie when Agent Smith says to his copy that ?it is happening all over again as before?. This is further reinforced by the Merovingian when he admonishes Neo that his ?predecessors had more respect?.

In the first movie, after being freed from the Matrix, Neo asks Morpheus where they are. To this, Morpheus replies that ?more important than where, is when?. He goes on to say, ?you believe we are in 1999 when we are in fact closer to the year 2199.? But as the Architect elaborates to Neo, ?the Matrix has been around far longer than you imagine?. In Matrix Reloaded, Morpheus claims, in his speech to the people of Zion, that the war with the machines has been going on for the past one hundred years. But with the Architect?s revelation, apparently, every hundred or so years Zion has been rebuilding itself since the first ?one? appeared. To accomplish the illusion that each Zion is the only one that existed, no human rebel should, theoretically, be left alive with the memory of a former Zion. Thus, each Zion built has the appearance of being the original, with none having come before it.

After his encounter with the Architect, Neo tells Morpheus that the prophecy is a lie. It is designed merely as another means of control over humans. (We recall that the reason for this ?Zion Loop?, as I call it, is the containment of the 1% of human minds, over which the Matrix eventually will have little or no control).

The mechanism of the ?prophecy? allows the growing population of rebels from that 1% to destroy itself when a critical number is reached. In this case, it appears to be 250,000 human rebels, the same number of sentinels comprising the army drilling its way to Zion. This critical number is deemed by the machines as a point at which they are in the greatest danger of being overcome by humans. Therefore, whenever the rebel population is about to reach this critical mass, a number of things begin to happen. First, the ?one? is found through the machinations of the Oracle, using someone like a ?Morpheus? as an instrument. Second, an army of machines begins their assault upon Zion. Third, the way is paved such that the ?one? reaches the Architect ? also through the instructions of the Oracle. And finally, the ?one? inevitably chooses to save humanity as predicted by the machines. Thus, the cycle begins all over again.

However, in the sequel, the Architect himself is quite impressed with Neo compared to his five predecessors. Furthermore, Neo does not make the choice his predecessors made.

Is humanity doomed? What new revelation do the Wachowskis have for us in the upcoming concluding episode of the Matrix?

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MATRIX RELOADED:

The Zion Loop Explained

F.E.T.F.

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nice one electic102 :)

there's still the question of how agent smith fits in the whole equation...but i guess that's what 'revolutions' is for? or am i missing something?

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Hi i am new here.

i saw this movie and i got to say it is amazing watching it and seeing a topic about it on neowin that is 28 pages long anyway.

if anywbody want the script to reloaded here it is, i am not to sure if it the final version or a draft but it at least helps ya a bit.

in years to come we will not be learning shakespear but we be learning about the story of the matrix!!!! because it is a deep story that it take a long time to figure it all out.

also when neo stoped the machines at the end and that other dude was still living who might of set the emp of, and since neo can stop bullets and then he can make them drop to the ground maybe he can do the same with the machines cause they metal like bullets and he was probley making contact with the machines at the time the emp went of so maybe the emp hit the machines that where with neo and then they got transferd tough them and then in to neo.

do u get what i am saying it sounds poor but it could of happend but we have to wait till the next matrix.

Shibbs

Matrix_reloaded_script.zip

Matrix_reloaded_script.zip

Matrix_reloaded_script.zip

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So Based on this conversation, Neo is a product of the Matrix itself, born inside the system. Interesting.

JUST LIKE THE LAIN SERIES!!!! OMG!!! Serial Experiments Lain (the anime serie) is just like that!! The W bros are such a copycatz!!! :/

Still the matrix as a good story...

i wonder if smith is neo's father lol :D

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"There is nothing new under the sun." I'm sure I could go out and find a book that predates the anime. It doesn't matter. Originality doesn't necessarily make a something better. Stabbing myself in the face is an original way to make pasta, but it's not going to work very well and the pasta won't taste very good.

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if anywbody want the script to reloaded here it is, i am not to sure if it the final version or a draft but it at least helps ya a bit.

I am thinking it is neither, considering it does not follow the story one bit, looks to me like a cheap nock-off by some guy who was wayyy too in to that movie...

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electic102, I have a problem with your huge explanation. You said...

Human thinking then had to be examined and investigated and this required another sentient program to fulfill the role. Thus, the Oracle came into being.

I don't think that was the Oracle. The architect was talking about a person who had to examine human thinking and how she could be considered the mother of the matrix. Neo then implies that it's the Oracle and the architect says "Please" in an angry tone like he is upset that someone would think that the Oracle was that great of a person. I don't think we know who the mother of the matrix is yet. It's not the Oracle. The architect made that clear.

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electic102, I have a problem with your huge explanation. You said...

I don't think that was the Oracle. The architect was talking about a person who had to examine human thinking and how she could be considered the mother of the matrix. Neo then implies that it's the Oracle and the architect says "Please" in an angry tone like he is upset that someone would think that the Oracle was that great of a person. I don't think we know who the mother of the matrix is yet. It's not the Oracle. The architect made that clear.

i thought he was telling neo that the oracle is the mother of the matrix

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electic102, I have a problem with your huge explanation. You said...

I don't think that was the Oracle. The architect was talking about a person who had to examine human thinking and how she could be considered the mother of the matrix. Neo then implies that it's the Oracle and the architect says "Please" in an angry tone like he is upset that someone would think that the Oracle was that great of a person. I don't think we know who the mother of the matrix is yet. It's not the Oracle. The architect made that clear.

He said "please" referring to the title of Oracle. She is no "oracle"....that is why he had such a tone. Just another pointless human emotion given to her that the machines wanted us to give.

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