one321 Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Okay, I never thought of it that way. The architect is just saying not to call her an oracle. I always thought it sounded like he was saying the oracle wasn't worthy of being called the mother of the matrix. I figured the oracle was another exhiled program who once was a great help to the matrix. Why must the oracle hide from the agents if she is the mother of the matrix? Or was that all a show put on to make the humans think she was on their side 100%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homie Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 if anywbody want the script to reloaded here it is, i am not to sure if it the final version or a draft but it at least helps ya a bit. I am thinking it is neither, considering it does not follow the story one bit, looks to me like a cheap nock-off by some guy who was wayyy too in to that movie... I agree, I read the whole thing, and its way to shallow. And the ending just sucked, It didnt explain anything more about the matrix, zion or anything. If that was the movie, the bros woulda just shot themselves. And, i agree with the people above, the A just didnt like neo calling her an Oracle, not that she wasnt the mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
params Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 I am thinking it is neither, considering it does not follow the story one bit, looks to me like a cheap nock-off by some guy who was wayyy too in to that movie... Well, considering it includes Tank who - as is suspected - didn't appear due to pay issues, it ceratinly isn't a final draft if it is genuine at all. Perhaps and early concept at most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Natan Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Who are the two twins I saw on the trailer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clide Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 I found this very intresting, this is part of the conversation between Niobe and the Oracle in Enter the Matrix, this has to be something importantNiobe: "Then Neo is alive?" Oracle: "Yes,he touched the source and separated his mind from his body. Now he lies trapped in a place between your world and ours." Niobe: "Can we free him?" Oracle: "Trinity can, but she will have to fight her way through hell to do it." I got the game, but I am only on Chapter 4, The one after the Airport. I play SLOW... actually I like to do get online more. I don't like to play the game I own nonstop. So, what chapter is this going to happen? Is Neo in the game at all? It happens right after you go on the freeway to save morpheus so chapter 8 i guess, i think it only shows neo twice in the game, when he is saving morpheus and keymaker, and when they are making plans to get to the architect(i think) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clide Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 electic102, I have a problem with your huge explanation.? You said...I don't think that was the Oracle.? The architect was talking about a person who had to examine human thinking and how she could be considered the mother of the matrix.? Neo then implies that it's the Oracle and the architect says "Please" in an angry tone like he is upset that someone would think that the Oracle was that great of a person.? I don't think we know who the mother of the matrix is yet.? It's not the Oracle.? The architect made that clear. He said "please" referring to the title of Oracle. She is no "oracle"....that is why he had such a tone. Just another pointless human emotion given to her that the machines wanted us to give. I understood please as in thats not even close. You would think that if he was trying to say that she is not an oracle, he would just say so. like "Please, she is no Oracle." but i guess we will have to wait untill revolutions to find out for sure Edit: dont want to make 3 posts in a row so I'll just tack it onto here. Was Niobe's ship hit by the sentinal bombs in the movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dduardo Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Hi i am new here.i saw this movie and i got to say it is amazing watching it and seeing a topic about it on neowin that is 28 pages long anyway. if anywbody want the script to reloaded here it is, i am not to sure if it the final version or a draft but it at least helps ya a bit. in years to come we will not be learning shakespear but we be learning about the story of the matrix!!!! because it is a deep story that it take a long time to figure it all out. also when neo stoped the machines at the end and that other dude was still living who might of set the emp of, and since neo can stop bullets and then he can make them drop to the ground maybe he can do the same with the machines cause they metal like bullets and he was probley making contact with the machines at the time the emp went of so maybe the emp hit the machines that where with neo and then they got transferd tough them and then in to neo. do u get what i am saying it sounds poor but it could of happend but we have to wait till the next matrix. Shibbs Did you even skim the script. Its not Real. A Fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homie Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 it: dont want to make 3 posts in a row so I'll just tack it onto here. Was Niobe's ship hit by the sentinal bombs in the movie? no, the 3rd ship was, Niobi is alive and kicking. But.. then again maybe her ship was hit, but not destroyed, because in a preview of Revolutions her and ghost are talking about "if they will every find us" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2687 Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 no, the 3rd ship was, Niobi is alive and kicking. But.. then again maybe her ship was hit, but not destroyed, because in a preview of Revolutions her and ghost are talking about "if they will every find us" You find out what happens to the Logos in Enter the Matrix game.. highlight for the spoiler ...no big deal really..unless ur not done the game yet and plan to play it the Logos crew is the one who blows the power plant in Reloaded and when they leave the matrix, the Logos is being chased by sentinels all the way down through uncharted territory when they finally stop and EMP the sentinels leaving them stuck in the middle of nowhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Natan Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 No one knows? In the trailer. there are 2 white guys, twins (played by Adrian and Neil Rayment)... Who are they? Agents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homie Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 er...their the twins.. go watch the movie edit: Sorry didnt know it hadnt come to your area yet, if you really must know: They are henchment for mervingian (spel). They are rouge programs, not agents, not anything, their only like in 15 min of the movie. They can phase to heal, hard to kill, but not invincible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Natan Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 I can't... it's comming 30th... What's they're role? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homie Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Inatan25: I edited my above post, check it out to answer your question. Sorry I didnt know you coulditn see it yet. I dunno why you would want who they are spoiled, but whatever. Ask and you shall be answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Natan Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Well, I've seen they're in the third movie as well... 10x, Homie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerbero Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 No one knows? In the trailer. there are 2 white guys, twins (played by Adrian and Neil Rayment)... Who are they? Agents? No, they are "exhiled" programs, set for deletion, but hid from the "masters" of the Matrix. They are a shard left in the code from some earlier version of the Matrix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Natan Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 are they bad guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2687 Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Well, I've seen they're in the third movie as well...10x, Homie! heh..i though it said "I've seen the third movie as well..." :s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homie Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 really? I thought morpheus killed em, then again it seemed a little too easy... yeay! I really loved those dudes, they were the coolest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Natan Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 :) If I only could... Anyway, have you guys noticed that one of the agents is Daniel something, the guy who played Siro in Mortal Kombat Conquest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercenary Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 just want to know the guy on the bed at the end next to NEO looks alot like the guy that screwed them over in MATRIX 1, the guy that made a deal with the machines to put him back in the matrix? he looks exactly the same just he has hair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennywins Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 well, excuse me if this has been said before, but...after seeing this movie 4 times, what I get is this: Everything that happened in the movie happened to drive "the one" toward the 67th floor where the door of light that woul dend the war was located. Yes, even the machines moving toward Zion were to prompt Neo toward that door. As the architect program explains, Neo is there because Zion is gonna be destroyed, and basically they tell him the only acceptable thing for him to do is to disseminate his code into the Matrix so that it'll be reset. At that point then, new humans will be picked to restart Zion and everything will flow as it had previously. Why would the machines want the Matrix to be reset? Because the existence of the one within the Matrix causes further anomalies within the system that, if left unchecked, could bring about the end of the matrix. The architect is talking about Smith. Smith WAS an agent, but he is more now, he wants his freedom, he wants everything. He stood in front of the door because he did not want Neo to choose to reset the Matrix, thus ending his existence. He would rather the Matrix destroy itself, along with all the humans both plugged in and in Zion. In the previous versions of the Matrix, the one has always chosen to disseminate his code into the Matrix, as the alternative has dire consequences. However, Neo did not do so, because he loves Trinity. That's as much as I got. Now as I can see, they have 24 hours to destroy the machines on their way to Zion, and Neo has to find a way to destroy Smith once and for all. Hell, the preview points at a nasty fight between the two. Can't wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzla Veteran Posted May 21, 2003 Veteran Share Posted May 21, 2003 Got there at 7PM for the 8:30PM screening, opened the doors just for us :cool: first pick at the seats, sat down with my bucket of popcorn and my bucket of coke to prepare myself for what lay ahead... I absolutely loved this film, one of my mates (dumbass) isn't really into The Matrix ( :| ) but it was still cool from a visual point of view for him. But god damn I loved every last minute of it, it could be so complex yet so simple at the same time, reading these 30 pages all offer possible reasonings and meanings so I won't add anything to it because quite frankly there nothing I can say that hasn't already been digested and spewed out somewhere else in this thread. Needless to say I'm hyped as hell, on a bit of a come down. Booked tickets straight after for tomorrow night, friday night, saturday afternoon and saturday evening :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz360 Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 OMFG! I know its old now BUT IVE ONLY JUST COME BACK FROM WATCHING THE MOVIE!!!!!!!!! IT WAS SOOOOOOOOOO GREAT!!!!!!!!!!! but.....24 Hours to save Zion, Neo lies in a coma, beside Agent Smith in the REAL world.....TO BE CONCLUDED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morganpugh84 Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 I have one question. Why didn't Neo "copy" himself into someone and then just take both doors when he had the choice? If, like the Agent Smiths, all the copies share the samn "hive mind" then the objective to save Zion, etc would all be the same. There would just be 2 of him and it would make his life easier :) Personally I think the film is poor story line wise. I am hoping that Revolutions will be good. I think it would have been better without the sex scenes, without neo and trinity constantly telling us how much they love each other, without the rave scenes, and without neo "massaging" trinity's heart by putting his hand in her, oh and they shouldnt have showed that bloke on the table next to neo at the end, I knew it was him (As I am sure everyone did) but it would have been nice to have to think a little about it! What is the point of showing us who it is without any story with him? He likes to cut himself and we know he wants neo dead but that is it. Perhaps another Cypher? He will probably turn out to be good, something like killing neo in the "real" world will make him more powerful (kind of like the film the one haha). I was very disappointed with the film, it could have been soooooo much better. I really hope the 3rd one is good, however i will not be going out of my way to see the premire this time, total waste of my time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzla Veteran Posted May 21, 2003 Veteran Share Posted May 21, 2003 He likes to cut himself and we know he wants neo dead but that is it. Perhaps another Cypher? He will probably turn out to be good, something like killing neo in the "real" world will make him more powerful (kind of like the film the one haha). Uhh, you do understand who this guy is don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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