Shibby Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Why didn't Neo "copy" himself into someone and then just take both doors when he had the choice? If, like the Agent Smiths, all the copies share the samn "hive mind" then the objective to save Zion, etc would all be the same. There would just be 2 of him and it would make his life easier :) can he? also if he can and with that maker dude and both took booth doors they probley would of been a chain reaction like the whole world blow up. also they needed the sex scenes cause it shows that trinty and neo really do love each other and to know they do and if they did'nt he probley would of chose the other days like the other "Ones" so with love we get something differnt the other "ones" did not do have love like neo has now. if he did not have love the story would just be pointless cause it just be a new matrix and new zion. Shibbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[BuD] Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 alot of ppl beleive there is a matrix within the matrix ( as why neo coudl stop the sentinals near the end ) well thre is a movie in teh matrix game that completely dispells that myth becase the oracle tells niobe that neo after beign right at the srouce is now able to disseseminate his mind from his body so esentially he used his mind back in the matrix to short circuit the sentinals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neowin_hipster Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Is it just me or am i not seeing any actualy chemistry between neo and trinity. They don't seem to fit as a couple. I agree, that whole rave scene sucked. Not 1 person i know liked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricDemon Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 ,May 21 2003, 23:48] alot of ppl beleive there is a matrix within the matrix ( as why neo coudl stop the sentinals near the end )well thre is a movie in teh matrix game that completely dispells that myth becase the oracle tells niobe that neo after beign right at the srouce is now able to disseseminate his mind from his body so esentially he used his mind back in the matrix to short circuit the sentinals nah...that was the rogue EMP charge that was 'accidentally' :shifty: set off by one of the other hovercrafts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwarren Veteran Posted May 22, 2003 Veteran Share Posted May 22, 2003 What a movie :o Saw it tonight ;) Going to see it again on the weekend :D This thread is way too long but some interesting points are raised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPaul Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Can anyone explain to me how the people of Zion can survive? They live near the center of the earth (it's very VERY hot at the center of the earth) and there are lava springs all around them (lava is very VERY VERY hot). That would make it far to hot to survive yet the guy on the counsel who was talking to Neo was talking about the heating unit that they had. How can humans live where it is so hot? And why do they need to heat it down there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fissy Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 the movie seemed to say it is about 4000m from the surface. about 2.5 miles which means its just buried a little way into the crust of the earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fissy Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 becase the oracle tells niobe that neo after beign right at the srouce is now able to disseseminate his mind from his bodyso esentially he used his mind back in the matrix to short circuit the sentinals hmm interesting. Thats probably the answer then, if the makers say no box in a box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one321 Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 and that entire engineering room is what's keeping them alive. It does whatever they require to live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPaul Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 the movie seemed to say it is about 4000m from the surface. about 2.5 miles which means its just buried a little way into the crust of the earth The first one made it out like to was much closer to the center, but nevertheless there were lava pools around where they were dancing were they not? I would think they would need an AC unit, not a heating unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diata Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 (edited) the whole little area looks kinda crappy. Edited May 22, 2003 by Diata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquid Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 im going tomorrow :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowpie Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Im with the guy from the first Matrix, screw the real world, plug me into the Matrix...Lava pools, ha! No thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whipper25 Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 just out of curiosity..you guys know if keanu was their first choice to play the part of neo? or did other actors pass up on the roll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whipper25 Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 MATRIX RELOADED:The Zion Loop Explained F.E.T.F. as i said before electic102..this is one theory that seems the most plausible and sensible (though you never know..but i have a few questions maybe you can clear up -how does agent smith fit in the whole equation? -if the whole 'prophecy of the one' is a sham/plan to 'control' the critical mass of 'rebels', that would mean there is no such thing as 'the one' right? then what's with neo's special abilities? (flying, kicking agent's ass, etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerbero Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 just out of curiosity..you guys know if keanu was their first choice to play the part of neo? or did other actors pass up on the roll? I think Will Smith was at one point approached for the role, but he wanted to make it into some kind of action/comedy flick, so he was dithed. Then he went on to do Wild Wild West instead. And we're all very happy that the Matrix didn't turn into Wild Wild West, aren't we? :D Small rant: I think most of the people who say that the plot in this movie was thin hasn't actually understood it completely, as illustrated by jkuy9's post above. Everyone who critizises it seems to have missed part of the story somehow :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerbero Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 MATRIX RELOADED:The Zion Loop Explained F.E.T.F. as i said before electic102..this is one theory that seems the most plausible and sensible (though you never know..but i have a few questions maybe you can clear up -how does agent smith fit in the whole equation? -if the whole 'prophecy of the one' is a sham/plan to 'control' the critical mass of 'rebels', that would mean there is no such thing as 'the one' right? then what's with neo's special abilities? (flying, kicking agent's ass, etc) Well if he's a "vessel" for the anomalies of the Matrix, he would have those powers. What people mean when they say that the prophecy is means that it is thought out to fit into the whole loop with a person being the ultimate anomaly and going to the 67th floor, choosing the door to the source, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnaudt Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Wooooooooooo! Went to the UK Matrix Premiere - saw Keanu, Jade and Hugo! Man that was cool - even got Keanu's autograph ... will have to scan it in :p I saw the twins too and laurence fishburne but they were up on the TV Screen - couldn't get close enough but damn! That rocked :woot: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one321 Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 The intellectual and 'The Matrix' This is a neat article about a man who influenced Larry Wachowski in his writing of the Matrix. He was such an influence they gave him a part in the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one321 Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 FlukeII and I were chatting about some of the less theoretic aspects of Reloaded. We were wonder why Neo still has the plugs in his body. Weren't those removed when he left the Matrix in the first movie? Can someone explain this to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgEnTsMiTh Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Tom Cruise originaly had the part of neo but had to pass on the part due to Eyes Wide shut shooting so long. Will Smith was also slated but passed the part of Neo. Jada tried out for the role of Trinity but she did not get the part, and the W. Bro. specificaly wrote the role of Niobe for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clide Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 FlukeII and I were chatting about some of the less theoretic aspects of Reloaded. We were wonder why Neo still has the plugs in his body. Weren't those removed when he left the Matrix in the first movie? Can someone explain this to me? no, they never removed the plugs from neo or anyone, there would be no reason to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neowin_hipster Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 I couldn't imagine how ****ty the matrix would have been with tom cruise or will smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlukeII Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 no, they never removed the plugs from neo or anyone, there would be no reason to. They DID remove the plugs. I am not the only one who saw it in the first Matrix. When he first came to the real world they had full of those pins rebuilding his muscles. They show him slowly recovering and the pins are gradually reduced. The plugs also start to disappear as well. If they weren't removed then I am really confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glowstick Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 The plugs were just sealed AFAIK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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