JustGeorge Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 So I had been borrowing a 360 from a good friend until I got my own. Over the course of 1.5 months, I bought installed 8 games to my already purchased HDD. Yesterday, I finally got my own 360, so I hooked it up and slapped my HDD in it. Everything worked perfect with the exception of the games using the CD instead of the HDD. I manually selected to play from HDD only to get a message stating that games installed to HDD are only playable in the 360 they were installed with. What kind of crap is that? I had to delete every single game I installed and start over because of this. Its not piracy as I still need the media to play the game so wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elv13 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 It simple, using a few script, you could clone the disk and the game on it on a new drive. Without that restriction, a simple 20$ cable and a laptop would be enough to copy games. They had to use TMP watermarking or 95% percent of all games would be pirated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 double layer protection. it avoids people making dummy disks tricking the 360 into thinking the disk is there and playing form the disk and many other possible exploits that could be found. it hardly matters anyway,you're like one in a million this affects, and even then it's easily solvable with a few minutes of reinstall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Antonius Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 and even then it's easily solvable with a few minutes of reinstall. Exactly. Go and have a crap and make a cuppa, and the game will be installed. I have never had one that took more than 10 mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Xinok Subscriber² Posted July 8, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted July 8, 2009 I'm not complaining about this restriction, I'm just not sure I completely understand it. The original disc has to be in the drive in order to play the game. And you can't just burn a fake disc and expect the 360 to read it (under normal circumstances). So you can't just hook up the hard drive to a PC and copy the game to the hard drive, the original disc still has to be in the 360. If you can create a fake "dummy" disc and trick the 360 into reading it, then you mind as well burn the full game to the fake disc and let the 360 re-rip the entire game anyways. So I just don't understand that this restriction is supposed to prevent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted July 8, 2009 Global Moderator Share Posted July 8, 2009 I'm not complaining about this restriction, I'm just not sure I completely understand it.The original disc has to be in the drive in order to play the game. And you can't just burn a fake disc and expect the 360 to read it (under normal circumstances). So you can't just hook up the hard drive to a PC and copy the game to the hard drive, the original disc still has to be in the 360. If you can create a fake "dummy" disc and trick the 360 into reading it, then you mind as well burn the full game to the fake disc and let the 360 re-rip the entire game anyways. So I just don't understand that this restriction is supposed to prevent? Because that'd be too much work for a pirate? Think o fit like this, you have one dummy disc and all you have to do is just copy over any 360 games you download right to the drive from your pc, no burning of discs and reinstalling later like you say. It's quicker and so on. And the only disc in the dvd drive would be the dummy. Not saying it's possible per say, but they have managed to clone 360 hdds already, with a few more steps you could get write access and then it'd be a simple matter to just dump 360 games right from your PC over the network etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGeorge Posted July 8, 2009 Author Share Posted July 8, 2009 Meh....Still a useless restriction IMO. I still enjoy my 360, but I hate stuff like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Xinok Subscriber² Posted July 9, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted July 9, 2009 Because that'd be too much work for a pirate? Think o fit like this, you have one dummy disc and all you have to do is just copy over any 360 games you download right to the drive from your pc, no burning of discs and reinstalling later like you say. It's quicker and so on.And the only disc in the dvd drive would be the dummy. Not saying it's possible per say, but they have managed to clone 360 hdds already, with a few more steps you could get write access and then it'd be a simple matter to just dump 360 games right from your PC over the network etc. Each game disc has information on it which uniquely identifies it to the 360. It would be impossible to create just one dummy disc for all your games. You would have to create a dummy disc for every game. So at this point, why not just burn the full game to each disc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 Each game disc has information on it which uniquely identifies it to the 360. It would be impossible to create just one dummy disc for all your games. You would have to create a dummy disc for every game. So at this point, why not just burn the full game to each disc? +1 it's a very stupid restriction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted July 12, 2009 Global Moderator Share Posted July 12, 2009 Isn't that information just a small part of the overall disc? It probably doesn't take up all that much space really. And also, think of this more as the hd loaders for other systems out there. If you can manage to bootup a HD loader app on the 360 then the dummy disc wouldn't play such a big part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo003 Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 You were really installing all those games one after another : \ , I maybe an idiot since I only install when I'm ready to play the game. BTW those restrictions are in the place to stop pirates for doing anything nasty, that?s why you don't see that much piracy on either console. So the restrictions are there for a reason and they're working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGeorge Posted July 12, 2009 Author Share Posted July 12, 2009 You were really installing all those games one after another : \ , I maybe an idiot since I only install when I'm ready to play the game. BTW those restrictions are in the place to stop pirates for doing anything nasty, that?s why you don't see that much piracy on either console. So the restrictions are there for a reason and they're working. I only installed them as I played them but thats not the point. You have to have the original disc in the 360 to play the game regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draken Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 It may be stupid but every time they open a door ...... you know what happens, they forgot to protect DVD's firmware and there are piles of DL media next to tons of Xboxes because of it :shifty: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Its there to prevent people from selling hard drives with games preloaded on them. If there is no machine drm then thats just 1 more loop-hole for modders to get through :ninja: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 The biggest problem pirates have are read errors due to cheap media or bad burners. If they could simply copy it to the HDD, then they could avoid that. Apparently there's such a high possibility of making a coaster that pirating isn't really all that easy and even then you need to use one of the select few burners with some 2,4x media. Lot's of money and nuissances that would be removed for pirates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raa Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 This is one reason why I own a PC :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Xinok Subscriber² Posted July 17, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted July 17, 2009 Its there to prevent people from selling hard drives with games preloaded on them. If there is no machine drm then thats just 1 more loop-hole for modders to get through :ninja: Once again, the original game disc must be in the 360. So this wouldn't work either. I suppose they put this restriction in place just incase. Hackers are clever and they'd probably find something to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELTETHISACCOUNT Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 This is one reason why I own a PC :p Because you felt that you would end up swapping HDD's between Xbox 360's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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