REQ: Criticisms for the Apple Mac OS X


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Cordial Greetings,

I'm very interested in hearing the latest [and not so late] criticisms for the Mac OS X, and other Mac type hardware, such as Xserve, iPod etc.

I was also thinking of training for the ACSP... so thought I should learn of the latest criticisms while I'm at it.

I do know of a few already; eg proprietry, FreeBSD was Free but Apple stole it..., etc. etc.

I'm currently Cisco & Microsoft certified, and am studying for the CompTIA Security+ certification.

Please inform me of Apple/Mac Criticisms.

Thank you,

Work s p a c e r

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Do you want criticism of technical aspects of Mac OS X itself or policies of Apple that contributes to the development of the OS?

And how does this help you with your qualifications?

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It's too damn good.

Really though, the Finder is a terrible app that needs to be scrapped and written from scratch (while being redesigned, it's a crappy mix of the old Workspace Manager from NeXTStep and the proper Finder from OS 9)

I don't know how Apple could "steal" from FreeBSD, it's specifically has the BSD license to allow use in commercial products, and Apple gives stuff back (FreeBSD is looking at using an Apple compiler instead of GCC)

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^What makes the Finder terrible?

Good to hear that about FreeBSD... though Apple had left them in the dark :no:

Do you want criticism of technical aspects of Mac OS X itself or policies of Apple that contributes to the development of the OS?

And how does this help you with your qualifications?

I'm interested in both.

It'll just be good to know, for general knowledge!

The more criticisms I know for Apple, Mac OS X and it's hardware, the better.

Please provide them!!!

Work s p a c e r

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Yeah I hate finder, and I hate finder's view options. I hate the dock too, I wish I had a taskbar.

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Yeah I hate finder, and I hate finder's view options. I hate the dock too, I wish I had a taskbar.

So what's that thing on the top of your screen again? :-)

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Thanks for the replies everyone, I appreciate them.

However, if you say something like "I hate *" please follow it with "because of *, * & *"

Thank you!

Work s p a c e r

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So what's that thing on the top of your screen again? :-)

The menu bar. It's not the same thing as the Windows taskbar in any way.

The most common criticism of Mac OS X (and Apple in general) is its closed nature, and generally being more expensive than similar PC hardware.

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The menu bar. It's not the same thing as the Windows taskbar in any way.

Well you can still get software launchers there as you would with Windows, albeit with 3rd party software.

What's sad about most of the whining that goes around 'other than Windows platforms' is how everyone is always moaning they want something different but when they have to learn how to use it, it's always "waa-waa why isn't it like windows".

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I love Mac OSX. I have been a Windows guy my whole life, But moved to Mac last year.

My only criticism is that yes. It is an expensive platform. Unless you get 3rd party peripherals, things are over priced. (RAM, adapters to use normal monitor connections etc). Also, programs tend to be more expensive.

Take older games like Flat Out 2. its about ?7 on steam. In the Apple store, I'm sure it is still around ?40.

The OS itself though. I love it. I just find it so much easier to do *most* things, and I don't know why.

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As a recent covert - I am struggling to find criticisms...

I mean, things just seem to be so much more intuitive. Things feel more natural. This isn't the "reality distortion field" as there are still things I am getting used to...

I guess the major criticism is that often you are aware that you are not using the world leading OS - when looking for apps, etc. This is evident when searching for solutions/apps - as most responses are windows based. The community just isn't as large, and the global community seems to assume PC.

However, the biggest bug bear is, as said above, cost. The hardware comes at a premium. I feel it's justified, because the build quality of my macbook pro really is like nothing I have ever seen before. The software is also a little pricier it feels too...

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I use both Windows and OS X. I don't consider myself a fanboy but I do prefer Windows so I may be biased here.

I dislike the Finder, it is cluttered by default; folders are all over the place; if you resize the window, folders do not automatically adjust to take advantage of the extra space ; scrolling is slow.

I hate the dock. I hate how when you minimize windows, they go to right of the dock. If I dont minimize it and it gets buried behind other windows in front of it, my eyes go looking straight to the Dock, BUT GUESS WHAT, IT'S NOT THERE! So I either have to reach my keyboard to open Expos?, or hold the mouse of the app and try to find the window I'm looking for. ThisKILLS> productivity. Thank God Apple is addressing this issue in Snow Leopard.

If I have 3 Safari windows minimized in the dock, and quickly click on each one to bring them up, I get a beach ball icon and a lovely 2 to 4-second freeze. Happens on my Macbook, my Hackintosh, my friend's Macbook Pro, and even on the Mac Pro I tested at the Apple Store. Luvly. NOT. This is unacceptable.

Graphics performance is terrible. Add 2 or more widgets at the same time and watch your beautiful Macintosh choke from the simple ripple effects. Disabling Beam Sync with Quartz Debug fixes this, but introduces tearing. Horrible V-sync implementation.

Besides, have you looked at the Genie Effect closely? If you have a 1920 x 1200 or higher resolution, minimize a Safari window with SHIFT held down and see how ugly it looks when it gets to the Dock. Instead of being nice and curvy, its edges are rough and it looks really bad.

Ok, those are my criticisms :pp I still enjoy using OS X but it's not perfect like some people claim.

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Thanks once again for the replies everyone.

Another few criticisms which I've yet to mention;

- Windows: Can be used with Keyboard or Mouse [or both]

- Mac: Unusable with just the 1 peripheral.

- Windows: Has Paint.

- Mac: Has... f*ck all

- Windows: = Very customisable

- Mac: You can't even edit which hotkey does what [Microsoft Keyboard on Windows can]

- Windows: Destkop effects are very customisable, with a million free 3rd party tools to make it even better [eg; http://www.codeplex.com/vdm]

- Mac: Desktop effects are very limited, and not very customisable

- Windows: Has a centralised uninstaller

- Mac: A 3rd party tool has to be used, the only one I know of is AppZapper

- Windows: Has no built in tool to delete passwords [unless you set up a reset password floppy]

- Mac: Simply bootup from there Installation Disc and BOOM, no more security...

- Windows: Customisable [cheaper] hardware [easy example: GFX Cards]

- Mac: Very expensive, usually proprietary hardware used [easy example: GFX Cards]

- Windows: Strong online communtities, eg; NeoWIN

- Mac: Haven't been so impressed... joined the few most popular ones and received a heap of spam and not much help...

- Windows: Programming's a piece of cake. Installers can be as little as 14MB [complete IDE with gcc]

- Mac: Programming is difficult, for simple programming or to use Fink, you have to download 1GB+ of programming tools [xCode]

- Windows: Installers are easy to make, from a variety of free or proprietary suppliers. Installer creators can be as small as 2MB...

- Mac: Installers are very hard to make, and need [have found 1 3rd party one] xCode

- Windows: Can be installed on a variety of hardware, including virtual hardware

- Mac's license doesn't allow for anything without an Apple logo [*******!]

- Windows: Can use MBR or GPT

- Mac: Can only use GPT [correct me if I'm wrong]

If there are any others I've missed out, please remind me. Also am happy to discuss any of the above.

Regards,

Work s p a c e r

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If there are any others I've missed out, please remind me. Also am happy to discuss any of the above.

I should've sorta guessed from the start but it's pretty clear your entire list is just full of crap. Almost every single example you've taken is just something people have pulled out of their ass.

Clear failed instigation thread.

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Another few criticisms which I've yet to mention;

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Are you serious? I have answers to many of your "criticisms," but I don't want to waste my time if this is some sort of flamebait.

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- Mac can use MBR or GPT as well, you just can't install it onto an MBR drive.

- You don't have to download Xcode. It comes on the DVD and it works fine.

Ah... I see where you're going now... No.

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Another few criticisms which I've yet to mention;

Aaaah, sorry, I thought we were having a serious discussion, not a bunch of random toss...

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I do know of a few already; eg proprietry, FreeBSD was Free but Apple stole it..., etc. etc.

Apple didn't "steal" anything. There's a big difference between stealing and simply licensing certain technologies.

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This is another "Bash this OS thread"

@ OP, apparently you have very low understanding of OS's and how they work. Claiming that you have these certifications should make us assume that you have some understanding in PCs, but your thread and your list of criticisms say otherwise.

I am amazed that this thread has still not turned into a flame war, but it's still early to conclude anything.

Just one recommendation, stop being a troll.

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can I please have justification?

Yes, your post belied a huge Windows bias. That is fine, but don't pretend to be unbiased and looking for a sensible discussion...

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