sengork Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 Is Gentoo worth trying out? I'm on Redhat 9 atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noir Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 Yes :D Seriously though it requires a little more knowledge to get everything up and running, the portage system is great but it means you have to compile everything yourself (most goes automatic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sengork Posted May 18, 2003 Author Share Posted May 18, 2003 Any particular reasons why ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noir Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 I?d say mostly if you want a setup fully optimized for your own system and want to have full control, it also very easy to keep up-to-date, you just do a "emerge -u world" and all packages get updated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauloBSD Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 do "emerge -u world" update only the installed packages or the whole OS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noir Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 From the portage documentation Portage will then attempt to update all packages mentioned in the world file and will update any dependencies if needed. Dependencies are upgraded to the newest version available that satisfies the needs of the package being upgraded. Packages that are not listed in world and are not dependencies of the aforementioned packages are not updated. I guess it depends what packages you considoer to be part of the OS. Portage documentation: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/portage-manual.xml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kokolores Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Give it a try. All you need is: - plenty of time - good knowledge about your hardware and the modules your kernel needs - a fairly fast cpu - a good internet connection I switched from debian and am very happy I did so :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argonaut Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Fantastic avatar Kokolores! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kokolores Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Thanks, there are loads of really great avatars dedicated to Bjork (that woman on the avatar) and her videos: http://www.madonna-avatars.ch/mini-sites/bjork/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nacs Posted May 23, 2003 Share Posted May 23, 2003 Is Gentoo worth trying out? I'm on Redhat 9 atm. Absolutely. :yes: Setting up the base system the very first time can be a bit time consuming but the results are well worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hashcake Posted May 23, 2003 Share Posted May 23, 2003 All you need is:- plenty of time - good knowledge about your hardware and the modules your kernel needs - a fairly fast cpu - a good internet connection oh is that all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clone5k Posted May 23, 2003 Share Posted May 23, 2003 Gentoo is definately the best distro I have used. Just give it a try... it's free... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etron Posted May 23, 2003 Share Posted May 23, 2003 Gentoo is pretty cool, the updating mechanism is very efficient, and you don't have to deal with accounts etc (such as Redhat Network). Gentoo also allowed me to run the latest 2.4 kernel on my sparc machines, so I am definitely impressed. I still have quite a few redhat machines running, and just installed Redhat 9 to keep up with the changes etc. Gentoo support is pretty good too, forums are nice, and you can always find help in one of their irc channels on irc.freenode.net. Downside? You need a lot of time, patience and a good internet connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jl7c2 Posted May 23, 2003 Share Posted May 23, 2003 Well...a good internet connection helps, but I have completed 4 stage 1 (all the way up to gnome and firebird) installs on my 28.8 kbps connection. It only took about 3-4 days each time and that is on a 600 Mhz comp. So it is possible to install it on a dial-up connection and slow computers. Just do it. It is great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etron Posted May 24, 2003 Share Posted May 24, 2003 stage 1 install over dialup? you are insane ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jl7c2 Posted May 24, 2003 Share Posted May 24, 2003 That's 4 times too. And I would call it devotion, not insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortis Posted May 24, 2003 Share Posted May 24, 2003 yea well this is the thing i use redhat mostly... and i actually prefere it to xp.. i can do everything i need, and can use gaim and nmap.. i dont need xp for those 2 items.. however, i am installing gentoo - on connectix/virtual machine as we speak its been going for 2 days. i got a 1mb cable connection, and i am on stage 2 on day 2. lool what are they "main" differences between redhat and gentoo.. i mean advantages/pro's/con's... someome explain please :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NullPointerException Posted May 24, 2003 Share Posted May 24, 2003 Gentoo d/l all the packages from the net ??? Once you have done this once, are they stored locally or you have to d/l them again if you want to re-install ? is there any place you can d/l the full distro ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sengork Posted May 24, 2003 Author Share Posted May 24, 2003 Gentoo d/l all the packages from the net ??? Once you have done this once, are they stored locally or you have to d/l them again if you want to re-install ? is there any place you can d/l the full distro ? no. unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortis Posted May 24, 2003 Share Posted May 24, 2003 yea so guys and gals.. main "user informative" differnces between rh9 and gentooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NullPointerException Posted May 24, 2003 Share Posted May 24, 2003 no. unfortunately No, they are not stored or no, there is no place for the full distro ? or both ? I can live with one download but if i have to download packages every time i install i dont think i have the bandwith and the time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rezza Veteran Posted May 24, 2003 Veteran Share Posted May 24, 2003 no. unfortunately No, they are not stored or no, there is no place for the full distro ? or both ? I can live with one download but if i have to download packages every time i install i dont think i have the bandwith and the time... no to both. if you want to install a gentoo system, as far as i know you have to download packages each time. on the plus side, you will only have to download packages that you actually use... as for the differences between redhat and gentoo, well i think redhat is easier for noobs because it comes with its own configuration & settings software etc. on the other hand, gentoo will be compiled by your computer for your computer, making it run faster. It also has an excellent portage system (in the style of bsd ports) which means NO MORE RPM-DEPENDANCY HELL!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatter Posted May 24, 2003 Share Posted May 24, 2003 no. unfortunately No, they are not stored or no, there is no place for the full distro ? or both ? I can live with one download but if i have to download packages every time i install i dont think i have the bandwith and the time... The downloaded packages are stored on your computer in /usr/portage/distfiles. You will likely download new ones a lot though as they are updated often. You can also get portage to make binary packages of anything you install so you dont have to recompile to reinstall. That's handy for multi-system installs with similar architectures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rezza Veteran Posted May 24, 2003 Veteran Share Posted May 24, 2003 no. unfortunately No, they are not stored or no, there is no place for the full distro ? or both ? I can live with one download but if i have to download packages every time i install i dont think i have the bandwith and the time... The downloaded packages are stored on your computer in /usr/portage/distfiles. You will likely download new ones a lot though as they are updated often. You can also get portage to make binary packages of anything you install so you dont have to recompile to reinstall. That's handy for multi-system installs with similar architectures. well well well. you learn something new everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mallow Posted May 24, 2003 Share Posted May 24, 2003 What is the install process of Gentoo Linux like? I've read through the x86 install docs on the gentoo site, but I was just wondering what it's like. I assume it's just a command line? Or is there any part of the install with a GUI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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