Linus Torvalds: "Microsoft Hatred Is a Disease"


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http://www.osnews.com/story/21887/Linus_Mi...d_Is_a_Disease_

So, Microsoft submits 20000 lines of code to the Linux kernel, all licensed under the GPL. Microsoft, who considers Linux a great threat, and once called the GPL a "cancer". Opinions on this one are flying all around us, but what does Linus Torvalds, Linux' benevolent dictator, think about all this?

I'm a big believer in "technology over politics". I don't care who it comes from, as long as there are solid reasons for the code, and as long as we don't have to worry about licensing etc issues.

I may make jokes about Microsoft at times, but at the same time, I think the Microsoft hatred is a disease. I believe in open development, and that very much involves not just making the source open, but also not shutting other people and companies out.

There are 'extremists' in the free software world, but that's one major reason why I don't call what I do 'free software' any more. I don't want to be associated with the people for whom it's about exclusion and hatred."

Steve Jobs also needs to have a chat with his sheep.

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qdave

Indeed about Jobs. It just a bloody tech, there are far more important issues at hand than quarrel over osses.

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argonite

A refreshing perspective that sounds much better than that Stallman guy.

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Farstrider

I must have contracted the disease a few years ago, I think it was called MSW3.1, can't recall the exact date! It was'nt my fault, not much was known about the disease in those days!

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Comic Book Guy
There are 'extremists' in the free software world, but that's one major reason why I don't call what I do 'free software' any more. I don't want to be associated with the people for whom it's about exclusion and hatred."

RMS comes to mind!

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Gio Takahashi

perfectly agreed with the article. A lot of hatred toward Microsoft are generally biased. There is no denying that they do come out with fantastic software.

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S550

Microsoft's first OS was a Unix based system called Xenix. Im not at all surprised they still do SOME *nix work.

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adsadsads
RMS comes to mind!

Bingo, that wasn't a stab at Steve Jobs, it was a stab at RMS.

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Lechio

It's a disease indeed.

The same applies to Linux hatred, Apple hatred, Opera hatred, Firefox hatred, <insert anything here> hatred, (...).

This is quite common around the Web, specially in forums, were some types of people go around spreading FUD and instigating hate and intolerance against what they see as the "opponent faction". When the companies themselves sometimes do similar things with their aggressive marketing campaigns (sometimes with the intention of spreading nothing more than FUD too), it will sure bring some meaning to the life of the trolls.

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iamwhoiam
Microsoft's first OS was a Unix based system called Xenix. Im not at all surprised they still do SOME *nix work.

I've got an old copy in the closet collecting dust.

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Syanide
It's a disease indeed.

The same applies to Linux hatred, Apple hatred, Opera hatred, Firefox hatred, <insert anything here> hatred, (...).

This is quite common around the Web, specially in forums, were some types of people go around spreading FUD and instigating hate and intolerance against what they see as the "opponent faction". When the companies themselves sometimes do similar things with their aggressive marketing campaigns (sometimes with the intention of spreading nothing more than FUD too), it will sure bring some meaning to the life of the trolls.

I agree.

And yeah Linus is awesome :)

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Comic Book Guy
Bingo, that wasn't a stab at Steve Jobs, it was a stab at RMS.

You should have been in Toronto a a few months back, when he did a talk here.

I've got an old copy in the closet collecting dust.

Hey, it might be worth something, doubtful though.

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Malisk
Indeed about Jobs. It just a bloody tech, there are far more important issues at hand than quarrel over osses.

Then again, Jobs just happen to be a CEO for a very large company that manages software and hardware development.

And, as someone else said here - all this of course applies to Microsoft and Linux fanboyism as well, regardless if it's about users or employees.

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Growled

Linus is so cool. When I grow up I want to be like him. I also agree with him that hatred is just stupid. Microsoft has done a lot of not so nice things in the past, though, and they have given many people good reasons to dislike them. Many of them use other Oses. What Microsoft does as a company and what kind of products they release are two different things.

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aludanyi

George Carlin called that a "BIGGER DICK" policy, it goes like this: "What? They have bigger ######? BOMB THEM!", it isn't a disease it is a lack of reason or to use better words: it is the undisputed dominance of naive reasoning over critical reasoning.

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+M2Ys4U
RMS comes to mind!

lol, immediately what I thought.

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Comic Book Guy
lol, immediately what I thought.

I saw him speak in person, and have also saw Linus speak in person, but also got to meet him, didn't want to meet RMS at all, the guy's a ******* nutbar!

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markjensen
George Carlin called that a "BIGGER DICK" policy, it goes like this: "What? They have bigger ######? BOMB THEM!", it isn't a disease it is a lack of reason or to use better words: it is the undisputed dominance of naive reasoning over critical reasoning.

I think it is more about a reaction against the past illegal and unethical actions of Microsoft, and applying it to all their actions/products from then on.

I disagree with Microsoft's past actions (and some of their saber rattling to coerce vendors into Linux Insurance), but those actions are separate from their products. And, indeed, separate from their other actions (such as submitting kernel code under the GPL).

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Subject Delta

Its at least nice to see that someone from the world associated with Linux has had the class to come out with this statement, if more people from the Linux world focused more on making Linux great, and less on making inane blog posts about how evil Microsoft are, Linux could really take off.

Ultimately, Linux like Windows is just a tool people use in their daily lives. If FOSS fans want to send Microsoft a message, they should send it by not using Windows, not by bleating on about how Microsoft are evil, and how all Windows users are brainless morons that have been entrapped by Microsoft.

Props to Linus, seems like a reasonable and level headed guy.

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Southern Patriot
Steve Jobs also needs to have a chat with his sheep.

Be fair now, there are plenty of Microsoft fans around here (and elsewhere) who have a rabid hatred of Apple and/or Linux as well.

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justlooking

I believe in peace, order, uniformity, and obedience. There should be only one OS, Windows. Death to all the Linux and Mac fanatics whose recalcitrance brings chaos and disorder to the world. ;)

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Growled
I believe in peace, order, uniformity, and obedience. There should be only one OS, Windows. Death to all the Linux and Mac fanatics whose recalcitrance brings chaos and disorder to the world. ;)

All Hail Microsoft! All Hail Microsoft!

:p

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Brandon Live
All Hail Microsoft! All Hail Microsoft!

:p

Goooood..... Gooooood....

:p

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cabron
I believe in peace, order, uniformity, and obedience. There should be only one OS, Windows. Death to all the Linux and Mac fanatics whose recalcitrance brings chaos and disorder to the world. ;)

I believe in karma, so I wish the same to all Windows fanatics and god bless the Mac platform :rofl:

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