memNOC Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- DON'T READ THIS IF YOU HAVENT SEEN MATRIX RELOADED! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Matrix.. the first one was revolutionary, telling a unique story with depth, heart, emotion and a sense of genius direction and filmography.. the sequel? ... after seeing the magic formula, they took the action sequences and injected NO2 into them -- threw mockingly awkward, in-your-face, "emotion" in that sticks around for the whole plot, JUST so you can say that its not all about the action -- added unnecessary twists to the storyline, so they can squirm out a couple blockbusters more out of it, that do nothing to the actual story other than to have you leaving the theater seat wondering how, after two films, you still havent figured out what exactly is the Matrix, and wonder how many shows you'll see in the future to try and understand it, or will you just become frustrated and leave the damn thing alone knowing it stole a good part of your time to begin with........ or something like that.. i just feel extremely sad to witness one of the funnest, most entertaining, complex, and immersing movies ive seen in the past years (The Matrix 1), chose such a commercial route and join the likes of Star Wars and the soon to be released T3 (please, dont get me started).. commercial, you say? why? for instance.. that cave scene where everyone's dancing to drums and Neo and Trinity are knockin boots (another issue altogether).. they just COULDNT let the people dance to freakin drums, but felt a nice trance beat would be welcomed better.. get my point? and the whole "love" issue.. seriously, have you seen Neo and Trinity share a complete conversation without Trinity saying "I'm here for you" or "I'll never let go", or Neo saying "I love you so much" or some crap that sounds like it? ok seriously now, that whole Trinity revival crap and matrix-y CPR are so ****in corny...... i literally laughed through that scene.. close resemblance to Neo's revival in the first one, but with such lack of emotion and general poor movie-making (i have no other way to describe that), its sickening, really.. now, i have NOTHING wrong with a good romance story, quite the contrary.. but the whole way it has been presented in the movie really is downright shameful.. they are trying to SHOVE the love story down your throat during the whole film and it just feels incredibly unnatural and awkward.. this is done for the sole purpose of making the film not just pure action, but so people can say its got a love story too.. for christs sake, there is not enough chemistry on screen between Moss and Reeves to carry through such a love story, and make it convincing enough.. their love-making scene is a clear audience puller, as well as the ocasional nipple in the same cave dancing sequence.. and can they emphasize the word "sh*t" any more?? do they KNOW another curse word?? rated R? please.. this probably makes no sense and im clearly over-analyzing this, but my point is that the whole commercial aspect thats controling the production really disappoints me.. it all feels forced, out of place, and unnecessary.. just like both sequels.. they shouldve left it as one of those one-of-a-kind pictures, that comes along, and amazes you with the whole production.. but then again, wheres the money in that? :p ok now that THAT is lifted off my chest, i can say that, for what it is, i enjoyed the movie.. the hype around it is ridiculous, its just an action movie, nothing more.. dont expect to be immersed in the plot like in the first one, dont expect to actually CONNECT with any of the characters at any given point.. just go to be entertained, and to enjoy one of the best action sequences youve seen.. the coolness of "He's only human.." in the first agent encounter, Morpheus' cave and "Isn't that worth dying for?" speeches, Neo vs. 1000 Smiths and "Me too..", the highway sequence, and even the architect encounter, are all high points in this action film, and well worth the admission price.. me? im disappointed, as you well see.. and its a shame, really.. :no: continuing this any longer would be painful.. just take into consideration that this is my opinion, and you wont be able to change it.. with that in mind, im eager to hear yours.. :D and mods please move this thread if i posted it in the wrong forum.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatnipOligarchy Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 you make some good points....i definitely agree with you about neo and trinity.. they dont do a single scene together without talking about how much they love eachother; it got old after a while...i was actually kinda hoping trinity would die, but oh well the cave dancing scene was wayyyy too long. they could have removed the entire scene for all i care, but to drag it on for 5 minutes? wtf is that about?? it was just a bunch of sweaty guys jumping around and a random nipple shot...then the shot of keanu reeves's ass...i could have done without that too... overall the movie was good, the plot wasnt quite what i expected but the action scenes were more than i expected...and i dont even like action movies normally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperJediMedia Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 (edited) Part 2 Deepens the plot, i thought and I always like Cliffhanger episodes more :) Edited May 21, 2003 by JediXAngel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren (Killshot) Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 lets cut this review short huh... 2 word's UTTER CRAP I dont think ive ever been let down by such a anticipated movie, all they have done is made some old japanese kungfu movie ( u know the super human, flying through the air, have a fight, do some more flying have another fight crap) , slowed scenes down ( get over bullet time guy's it was so 5 years ago :whistle: ), even added a porno clip, and go grab some more popcorn while we have a boogie for 30 minutes :blink: ( yeah it seemed that long and pointless ) ....and slapped "The Matrix" brand on top At least we now know "what is the matrix" :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kolp Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 so, am i the only one who likes the MR as a whole? i just wonder, what did you(all you matrix bashers) expect? what kind of movie? of course it was going to be commercial, that's how it all goes, good film - sequel - more money, the movie industry lives like that. i too agree that the sequels were unneeded and the Matrix 1 had a (sorta) finished look, but i love the matrix franchise whatever anyone says, hell, i even liked the rave scene, yes, i loved the music, the choreography, the whole gettogetherness of it. ok, perhaps it was a bit too long but that's in no way something im gonna bash the whole movie about. i don't know what you people expected but i for one, didn't expect anything new and groundbraking as far as story goes, i mean, we got it in matrix one, now all that the wacs could do is build on it however they could and i think they did great imo. let me tell you that i watched this on a lousy screener for the first time and i still absolutely loved it, i am watching it soon at the cinema and i'm sure i will be blown away. that's because i don't expect too much from a movie and i don't judge it too much for being looney, hell it's a movie for christ sakes, it's made to entertain, and entertain me it did. i don't want it to be real, i want to like what i see and i did and i can honestly say it was even a bit short. but as someone said it shouldn;t be taken as a movie but as a half of something bigger, it's just an event in the big picture. don't say matrix one was better - these two movies are different, 1 was to introduce us to a vast story and world beyond everything we've seen before, that;s why people were blown away, in two we know all this so not unexpectedly it will be hard to be surprised like that again, so just enjoy what you see. hats down to the wacs for doing their best to live up to the original film, i think they did a truly wonderful job. the effects are all "no comment", hardly anyone is going to achive the truck scene effect in 10 years+ time(except maybe for matrix 3:)), it was truly out-of-this-world cinematography. so for what it's worth, i remain a matrix fan, i am sure i will love revolutions even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dross Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Man I'm tired of everyone bashing this movie. What are the oh so great movies that are so much better than this? It's not a perfect movie, but it is a lot better than most of the crap that comes out in these times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolvereen Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 I personally liked this movie. I think that with a movie as popular as the Matrix was, and as much hype as Reloaded got, some people are doomed to hate it no matter what. Some fans build up such an expectation of something, that they completely hate it when it comes out because it didn't live up to their thoughts. I for one thought it was a VERY good movie in the same vein as the first. It has the same action, humor, and storyline that keeps you guessing. Sure it had some faults, but hey, what action movie doesn't? I am excited to see it again, and I can't wait for Revelations. Oh, and all you neigh-sayers, just be happy that George Lucas didn't write/direct Reloaded!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vidar Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 I too felt let down. Neo & Trinity felt like a forced love angle. And yes, the rave scene turned a "show the bots we have no fear" into a filthy sweat & mud scene from Soddom & Gomora. Wow, the "good guys" like stomping in mud and rutting around... did someone upload XTC into Zion's well water? I almost hoped the sentinels would wipe them out right then and there. Morpheus seemed almost an after thought once you get passed his speech in Zion. Hannan reminded me more of Emporer Palpatine/Obi Wan than a nation leader. Locke was pathetic. I wanted him to shut up and get assimilated by Agent Smith -- who I found to be, of all things in the movie, comic relief. "The best thing about me is... there are so many of me".. The me-lines were funny but the action sequences with him vs. Neo seemed repetative and got boring after awhile. Niobe was.. very.. very unneeded, as was Persephone. Both were more like props than characters. I think the only character I actually enjoyed (other than Agent Smith) was Link. He seemed like the only "real" character. The first movie I think people enjoyed because Neo was understandable. He was three dimensional and expressed what we thought as he went "down the rabbit hole". Link showed this near the end of the movie when he goes "this is too much" -- it was a human responce. Commercial? Yes. I now have to watch Movie 1, then The Animatrix, then Movie 2, then play Enter the Matrix, then see Movie 3, and coming soon.. Go play Online Matrix. Lots of cash to spend on a movie trilogy to peice it all together. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the movie. It had its high points and I did feel some realism (Trinity hacking the power grid via nmap w/ a secure shell exploit was cute, though the fact the Matrix's username and password were both ZION10101 was... amatuerish. I think Matrix Reloaded did as many movies have done, the sequal is low quality with the conclusion making up for it - look at Highlander. The 2nd highlander was so horrible they basically denied its existance. The inconsistancies were annoying.. If in Matrix One they wanted the codes for ZION, why in the 2nd movie they already know where ZION is? If agent smith wanted out of the matrix, he got his wish. So why does he care what Neo does in the Matrix? Neo isn't an issue when you can run around in the "real" and just stab the ******. Oh well.. Hopefully Revolution will repair the damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolvereen Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 I dont think ive ever been let down by such a anticipated movie, all they have done is made some old japanese kungfu movie ( u know the super human, flying through the air, have a fight, do some more flying have another fight crap) , slowed scenes down... Isn't that what the first Matrix was? How do you diferentiate between the two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmoove Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Man I'm tired of everyone bashing this movie.? What are the oh so great movies that are so much better than this?? It's not a perfect movie, but it is a lot better than most of the crap that comes out in these times. It was a nice movie. A good action movie and for a sequel it wasn't even too bad (most sequels are just plain crap). What are the oh so great movies that are so much better than this? Well I can name you at least 20 movies that are way better then this..... so don't even get me started. Niobe was.. very.. very unneeded, as was Persephone. Both were more like props than characters. Monica Bellucci is NEVER unneede:D:D, man she is HOT:yes:s: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shifty Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 after watching the movie, i felt that there were too many action scenes to keep up with, dont get me wrong... i loved the fight between neo and the 50 agent smiths and the highway thing was cool too, but as a person who has studied filming and directing there were not enough scenes of explaination. the scene w/ the Oracle was too short and agrivating... damn the program gets the variables before they are inputed and the spouts out nothing but riddles... agrivating!! the archetect at the end was the only time i was at the edge of my seat. his conversation with neo was very good and of course enlightening. i was so into it i told me girlfriend to shut up while he was talking. (she kept asking what he was saying) the end choice of him choosing to save zion or save trinity made me want to get up and leave. im like, "what the hell" you now know pretty much what there is to know about the matrix. they should have let neo save trinity and let him figure out how to save zion later in the next movie. yes, it is good to have the hero choose what to do as a last resort, but that should have been AFTER he had long talked to the architect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
params Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 At the end of the day we have to reserve a degree of judgement until after revolutions as this is only part of the story. Yes the whole "matrix" thing is commercial. of course it is, it's Hollywood. People don't just throw money at something like this for no return. The very fact that you need to watch the film, play the game and watch the animatrix to get the WHOLE story so far is evidence enough that there is commercialism behind this. Reloaded is different in that it works on more levels, some that are probably not apparent yet. What are termed "props" do have key roles and will no doubt crop up in Revolutions again. The idea that Agent Smith is just comic relief is just wrong. He will be instrumental in how the whole thing pans out. Let's face it this was one of the most hyped films in history. The original is a modern day classic. NO film could live up to the expectations that have been set up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memNOC Posted May 21, 2003 Author Share Posted May 21, 2003 I too felt let down. Neo & Trinity felt like a forced love angle. And yes, the rave scene turned a "show the bots we have no fear" into a filthy sweat & mud scene from Soddom & Gomora. Wow, the "good guys" like stomping in mud and rutting around... did someone upload XTC into Zion's well water? I almost hoped the sentinels would wipe them out right then and there.Morpheus seemed almost an after thought once you get passed his speech in Zion. Hannan reminded me more of Emporer Palpatine/Obi Wan than a nation leader. Locke was pathetic. I wanted him to shut up and get assimilated by Agent Smith -- who I found to be, of all things in the movie, comic relief. "The best thing about me is... there are so many of me".. The me-lines were funny but the action sequences with him vs. Neo seemed repetative and got boring after awhile. Niobe was.. very.. very unneeded, as was Persephone. Both were more like props than characters. I think the only character I actually enjoyed (other than Agent Smith) was Link. He seemed like the only "real" character. The first movie I think people enjoyed because Neo was understandable. He was three dimensional and expressed what we thought as he went "down the rabbit hole". Link showed this near the end of the movie when he goes "this is too much" -- it was a human responce. Commercial? Yes. I now have to watch Movie 1, then The Animatrix, then Movie 2, then play Enter the Matrix, then see Movie 3, and coming soon.. Go play Online Matrix. Lots of cash to spend on a movie trilogy to peice it all together. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the movie. It had its high points and I did feel some realism (Trinity hacking the power grid via nmap w/ a secure shell exploit was cute, though the fact the Matrix's username and password were both ZION10101 was... amatuerish. I think Matrix Reloaded did as many movies have done, the sequal is low quality with the conclusion making up for it - look at Highlander. The 2nd highlander was so horrible they basically denied its existance. The inconsistancies were annoying.. If in Matrix One they wanted the codes for ZION, why in the 2nd movie they already know where ZION is? If agent smith wanted out of the matrix, he got his wish. So why does he care what Neo does in the Matrix? Neo isn't an issue when you can run around in the "real" and just stab the ******. Oh well.. Hopefully Revolution will repair the damage. wow.. excellent, EXCELLENT points, my friend.. i agree with your post 100%.. i too felt that Link was the only worthwhile and grantedly human character of them all.. his connection with his wife (please, is she a robot? can she even act? :x) is truly touching and as far as i feel, stole the main plot of the movie.. the mistakes and emotions that he has and does, set him apart from the rest, and if you notice, he's really the ONLY human-like character we see.. everyone else is either too far into the Matrix to be called human, or are machines themselves.. most of the characters, though, were very unnecesary, as you point out.. most of the castings (except for Link) were completely laughable.. i honestly despise Jada-Pinkett, but she didnt surprise me one bit.. her actions scenes are good, but her lines are completely robotic and again, as with everyone else, you fail to make a connection with her character.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glowstick Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions are one movie cut in half. That's why people prolly hate Reloaded, because there are too much issues left open which are going to be answered in Revolutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glowstick Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 they should have let neo save trinity and let him figure out how to save zion later in the next movie.yes, it is good to have the hero choose what to do as a last resort, but that should have been AFTER he had long talked to the architect. Did you see another movie than we did? He did make a different choice than the matrix thought he'd do. He DID save Trinity and he WILL be figuring out how to save Zion in the next movie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero_the_Kamikaze_Squirrel Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Wow, it's great how people think the W. Bros just threw this thing together after the success of the first movie. FYI, they had always intended it to be a trilogy (think Lucas and Star Wars). They had to close it up enough at the end of the first movie so that it would still be a good movie in case it flopped and the studio wouldn't make the next 2. For all this talk about "hype" I didn't notice the studio advertising it any more than say Spiderman. If you look around, The Hulk is being pushed a lot harder than any movie I've seen in a while (go to the grocery store and look at all the Hulk stuff they already have before it is released). If you feel the movie was "hyped" it was all in your mind. You got your expectations up and got disappointed. Its your own fault for expecting too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
params Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 (think Lucas and Star Wars) And while we think of Lucas and Star Wars - why do people bash Lucas saying he's cashed in by now making the first trilogy when he originally had a series of 9 - yes 9 - films planned (with 3 after Jedi). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerbero Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 I absolutely loved the Matrix Reloaded. The plot has been taken to a whole new level with this movie and I can't wait to see Revolutions. This movie made me think even more than the first one did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azcodemonkey Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 NO film could live up to the expectations that have been set up for it. I beg to differ. The Empire Strikes Back lived up to and surpassed its hype. It is still the only movie I have seen more than twice in a theater. Thankfully, Mr. Lucas was not directing or writing scripts. I think Reloaded was ok, not great, but a decent middle movie. I'm curious to see how things pan out, but I could really care less for any of the characters living or dying. The characters aren't that strong in a literary sense. They tend to be very two dimensional. I guess I'm just too old to fully appreciate a 2 hr music video with philosophic diatribes tossed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altezza Veteran Posted May 22, 2003 Veteran Share Posted May 22, 2003 I guess Matrix Reloaded was great...more actions, more special effects used and darker story than the first. Yet I thought the Reloaded did not lose any formula from the first sequel. I was not expecting this movie too much but I was eager to see the movie. I wasn't disappointed after seeing the Reloaded...I think I might watch it again since I missed some of the plots in the movie. Personally I like the movie...now expecting (not too much hype) for Revolutions ;) :) Reloaded rocks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dross Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 Well I can name you at least 20 movies that are way better then this..... so don't even get me started. I kinda meant movies these days. I'm not talking about older movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron901 Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 each to their own. they can't make a movie that everybody loves. personally, i love the movie, regardless of that crappy scene where neo fights a thousand agent smith. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bararum Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 Man I'm tired of everyone bashing this movie. What are the oh so great movies that are so much better than this? It's not a perfect movie, but it is a lot better than most of the crap that comes out in these times. well the first matrix for one :whistle: but honestly we really need to condense these rants into two threads. Like and dislike, or one review thread. In fact I think there is one. Seriously we really dont need millioons of threads ranting about this, these things should be merged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 Yes each to their own, personally I fell asleep during it, and very nearly fell asleep during animatrix, so just stopped watching. (And I love the first film, christ knows how many times I've seen it.) Oh well. Roll on EpisodeIII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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