Kushan Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Not that I'm scared myself but it does say about the update bricking the console, bub. Yes, but that's only a small part of the story. So when he said it was a "non story", he focused on that one tiny bit and ignored the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoadorable Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 it's a non story. nah just kidding kushan, guess it's bad news for people into so-called homebrew. an earlier warning would have been nice i suppose, as for non-devs, this is really not a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hell-In-A-Handbasket Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 my guess is the chance to Brick it is less using the XBL update then whatever update their hocking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Non-devs? Don't think this is something that only homebrew devlopers are interested in. Think about the original Xbox: XBMC, emulators, all that. The ability to truly "unlock" the console has many uses and many people will be interested once it finally takes off ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoadorable Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 valid point, so make that non-devs and non-mods. and non-mod-cons. talk about a cold water console! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashing Pumpkin Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Surely a cheap PC can do all the stuff homebrew people want to do for a fraction of the effort? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skulltrail Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Because everyone loves a good homebrew. :pinch: If you have a homebrew app on your xbox, you shouldn't even try to access Xbox Live unless you are willing to have your account blocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Gil Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Homebrew meaning "free games" right? No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qumahlin Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Homebrew meaning "free games" right? No thanks. No, the normal methods of pirating games work just fine regardless of the 360 update. The other thing to point out that people are harping on with failed flashes is this "Statistics from other systems have shown that about one in a thousand bootloader updates goes wrong" Take key note of "FROM OTHER SYSTEMS". Systems not being the xbox 360 and a tested and true upgrade process. I previously worked for a large cable provider and we flash MILLIONS of modems. If one in every 1000 of those flashes were going wrong you would be hearing about it on the news. Not to mention most flash processes have a backup routine so that if the completed flash does not meet a hash check the firmware is rolled back to the original. The only time this doesn't apply is if you lose power in the middle of a flash. The guy who wrote that article is an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Lyle Global Moderator Posted August 12, 2009 Global Moderator Share Posted August 12, 2009 The update is mandatory to get on Live. I think I'll choose Live access over whatever these guys are offering. +1. This update is mandatory.. and I got no need for this homebrew crap.. I'd rather just play videos and legacy games off my PC.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorwing Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Why take another route when the thing is not broken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalE Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Already updated a couple weeks ago. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Not to mention most flash processes have a backup routine so that if the completed flash does not meet a hash check the firmware is rolled back to the original. The only time this doesn't apply is if you lose power in the middle of a flash.The guy who wrote that article is an idiot. Yeah, see the thing is that "backup routine" is also known as the First-stage bootloader. In other words, the "backup routine" you're referring to is exactly what is being patched. What the article is saying is that if that goes wrong, your 360 is bricked. That "1 in 1000" statistic sounds made up to me and is definitely over reacting, but remember a "failed" update can be caused by anything. A power surge at the wrong time, someone tripping over a cable, hell on my 360 when I'm downloading an update, if I change the VIDEO output on my screen, the 360 SOMETIMES resets. What happens if that happens during flashing? Basically, what I'm saying is that under ideal conditions the chances of it failing are probably 0, but the other factors are where he gets that statistic from. Might be 1 in 1000, might be 1 in 100,000 but it certainly does happen. I wish people would stop focusing on that part of the story though, that is clearly sour grapes on his part, the real news is potential homebrew on the 360 again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Surely a cheap PC can do all the stuff homebrew people want to do for a fraction of the effort? but most cheap pcs aren't hooked up to the tv :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 For anyone interested, here's a video of the "hack" in operation: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserk87 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 when a new xbox comes out, THAT is when ill mod my 360. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalint Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I'm legit so... the update is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g~man Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 i would like .mkv support, thats all the 360 covers everything else i would want... the music player is a bit too basic but hopefully the zune update will add the zune player any why oh why cant the 360 read ntfs hardrives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckempo Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 This means nothing to me. Ohhhhhh Vienaaaaaa! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+InsaneNutter MVC Posted August 13, 2009 MVC Share Posted August 13, 2009 I wish people would stop focusing on that part of the story though, that is clearly sour grapes on his part, the real news is potential homebrew on the 360 again. Agreed, I personally think this is great news. Got a 360 here that hasn?t been on live in ages so if anything comes of this I can give it a go. Sounds like this exploit has been known about for some time, it?s a shame a lot of people who might have been interested have most likely already updated there 360. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unrealistic Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 For anyone interested, here's a video of the "hack" in operation: So essentially this is like the EFi-X that allows a dual "bios"/emulate other hardware, allowing you to boot into custom OS. Correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Not quite. The device he's using is a dual NAND solution, but that's not required. Essentially, as far as I'm aware, you dump something into the NAND and that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I'd like to keep this thread somewhat updated as I'm sure I'm not the only one interested in this. I'll try to keep it as anti-piracy as possible. Considering that piracy is already rampant on the 360 and this particular hack focuses on getting homebrew working, I'm hoping mods don't mind, especially as it currently can't be used to pirate anything. Recent developments: SNES9x has already been ported to the 360 by one of the developers of the hack, in order to demonstrate its effectiveness: He claims it only took him about a day to port it from the same source code used to make the Wii version so we might see some awesome homebrew soon! What's more, for those of you who are inclined, a few bits and pieces of the hack have been made public! Currently only available to those with Xenon chipsets (old non-HDMI 360's), but don't worry, the hack works on all consoles, its just the software needs to be created for the other chipsets. The hack is actually quite simple in its implimentation, essentially you just need some wires, 3 resistors and a Parralel port adapter (old-fashioned printer cable to you and me). There are already guides available for those curious enough, however I wont post it here unless a moderator gives express permission to. I, myself, purchased an old 360 off of ebay just to tinker with this stuff. The listing said the DVD drive was dead and thus it was incapable of playing 360 games. I naturally assumed that this was a botched firmware modification (each 360 drive has a unique key, without the key the 360 wont recognise any 360 games you put in it - and there's no way to retrieve the key from the 360 itself), which is fine by me as I don't need the drive for any of this. As it turns out, it was just a loose rubber band inside the drive, so I got myself a fully working 360 for just over ?30 =) I'm going to attempt this hack on it in maybe a week or two once I get the parts. I've never done any soldering outside of school so wish me luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashing Pumpkin Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Good luck and nice one finding that cheap 360. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0mbi Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 i like to keep up to date with every xbox homebrew, and am waiting for Kushan's posts on how to hack goes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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