Ruciz Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 The ban is based on the consoles serial and mac addy. thats it. MS don't discuss anything more. The DVD drive, HDD, controllers, RF board, heatsinks, fans, case... can all be used in other consoles (of course some requiring a bit of tools and knowledge) Either way, if he didn't mod it (installing additional fan headers is considered 'modding' you know, same with modifying gamesaves.. its not always a ban based on playing sloppy backups) nows the time to mod it as he's got nothing to lose - then pickup a brand new stock to play XBL on. You can swap the HDDs without issue but anything downloaded content will have to be re-downloaded to copy the digital signature over. Also. MS can NEVER determine if a drive is modified or not. They went through INCREDIBLE lengths to ensure this is the case... Anyone who tells you different is naive or just parroting... They can only tell from the copies and titles you are playing on the console. IE - if you buy an unbanned but modded console, playing originals in it will NOT get you banned (least if the mod is with ANY iXtreme firmwares, the old Xtreme and chipmods never factored in all the consoles security measures and dont look or forward the information correctly.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashing Pumpkin Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 No it doesn't. I don't think you understand. Something that is not evidence does not help your judgement in any way. Something like this would just lead you to jump to conclusions and make a bad judgement based on unsubstantiated evidence. The point is, it doesn't matter if the guy has played 500 games or 1. It doesn't prove anything or help your judgement in any way. It just leads people to jump to conclusions and say "OMG He must have modded he has 500 games!!" Without anything else to back it up, the amount of games he's played is meaningless. AARRRRG /rant over No, sorry, you don't seem to understand what I am trying to say. The number of games the guy has played is something that needs to be taken into account before judging whether or not his console has been modded. However, like you say it cannot prove it, just because he has played 500 games doesn't mean it's definately modded. So it cannot prove it, like I said, but it can help to aid a decision on whether or not I believe his console has been modded since I am not able to physically open his Xbox and see for myself - the only thing that would actually prove/disprove the theory. Argh, my rant over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draken Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 ok ok I'll be subject A, so: Subject A Gamertag: Drakenex Games Played: 138 Games buyed: ...... :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Wish popisdead was still around in his usual form *cough* he would tell you all about advance copies, usually in form of review copies. He would always get one an hour after it had leaked online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg187 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 So one of my friends Xbox's got banned for "modding" when he never did anything wrong, and he's got a 120 GB HDD and wondering if he puts it on mine will my console e banned too? Or is it just the Console not the HDD that will be banned.This is why Xbox Live sucks (Live is "evil" spelt backwards). They shouldn't ban people for modding because there are legit reasons like homebrew and backup.How was the mod done? Was it a softmod or a hard mod? if M$ bans softmod then putting that hard drive in your Xbox would softmod your Xbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra.Xtreme Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Ok so say I burn 200 games and they are all available in shops today, you can tell if I pirate or not?Please, explain how.. Legit games have a security layer. Burned games don't (hence why you have to flash your dvd drive to not check for it). Once Microsoft figures out how to catch this 100% of the time (they may already have), it will be game over for "safely" playing games online. It can be almost assumed that Microsoft has it mostly figured out, but they have to be very careful who they ban for obvious reasons. It seems the people who get caught are the ones who either a) improperly rip the games themselves b) download and play a game that was improperly ripped. So it can be assumed that your system records something about the game and sends it "home". It's just a matter of time before Microsoft reverse engineers iXtreme and figures out how to nail everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0mbi Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 ok ok I'll be subject A, so:Subject A Gamertag: Drakenex Games Played: 138 Games buyed: ...... :p and your gamerscore is only 13,000? haha showoff :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djweasel Posted August 20, 2009 Author Share Posted August 20, 2009 Well I've been busy again today with looking for apartments, but yea M$ development team called me about how I got banned a week after the new update came, when I had it early from invites. The thing is they said it was vialation of terms, which I have not done anything wrong......I also heard people talking about if you file a bunch of complaints against a GT it can get the console banned for "tampering" and such. Example: you're playing halo and they complain it was laggy, but you won. That's when somone could do a "tampering" file. I will try tonight to set up a video showing my console and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted August 20, 2009 Veteran Share Posted August 20, 2009 ok ok I'll be subject A, so:Subject A Gamertag: Drakenex Games Played: 138 Games buyed: ...... :p Nobody for a second believes you buy games Draken, what do you take us for :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draken Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 and your gamerscore is only 13,000? haha showoff :D Single player isn't a regarding experience (gamer points wise) :( Nobody for a second believes you buy games Draken, what do you take us for :laugh: well, that's why I'm subject A ;) and it's funny to see how people uses the "my friend" figure :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted August 20, 2009 Veteran Share Posted August 20, 2009 Yeah the whole "my friend", "advanced copies" thing is BS, but it's the rules of the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draken Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 btw...speaking of weird banning issues ..... the 12V fan mod could be a reason? I'm going to fix my Xbox this weekend (yup stills KIA) and I'll be adding a top fan and the perfect complement to that is having the back fans at max speed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg187 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Yeah the whole "my friend", "advanced copies" thing is BS, but it's the rules of the forum.What do you mean?What about their friend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshBluebird Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 This is why Xbox Live sucks (Live is "evil" spelt backwards). They shouldn't ban people for modding because there are legit reasons like homebrew and backup.How was the mod done? Was it a softmod or a hard mod? if M$ bans softmod then putting that hard drive in your Xbox would softmod your Xbox. I thought specifically with the 360 anyway, the only use for modding atm was to play copied games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 This is why Xbox Live sucks (Live is "evil" spelt backwards). They shouldn't ban people for modding because there are legit reasons like homebrew and backup.How was the mod done? Was it a softmod or a hard mod? if M$ bans softmod then putting that hard drive in your Xbox would softmod your Xbox. Completely incorrect. The 360 modifications are currently only done in ONE way: You open up the console, rip out the DVD drive, flash it with new firmware and plug it back in. The hard drive and every bit of data on it is left completely alone. And yes, it's still a soft-mod, no additional hardware is required inside the 360. The one purpose for this modification is to play "backup" games. No homebrew, not possible due to how the 360 was designed*. Microsoft don't prevent you from using the console at all, it still works, however it's the T&Cs of Live which strictly ban the use of "modified hardware". If the PS3 had been hacked, Sony would do the same because these modifications can be used to cheat in games online. Microsoft has every right to want to protect their service. Play backups if you want, just not while connected to Live. *Recently, a new hack has appeared allowing you to run unsigned code on the 360 (Read: Homebrew). It's still in the early stages, however it requires some soldering and flashing of the 360's internal Flash memory. currently, it has no "useful" purpose, you can't run games with it, you can't even look at a JPEG as its all in the very very early stages. And, of course, has been patched by Microsoft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg187 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 When I said that I was talking about the original Xbox. Microsoft may have the right do to that, but it doesn't mean it's right to do that. Live sucks, why pay to get banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 You only get banned if you break the terms of service. Live is by no means the only business that operates like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0mbi Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Completely incorrect.The 360 modifications are currently only done in ONE way: You open up the console, rip out the DVD drive, flash it with new firmware and plug it back in. The hard drive and every bit of data on it is left completely alone. And yes, it's still a soft-mod, no additional hardware is required inside the 360. The one purpose for this modification is to play "backup" games. No homebrew, not possible due to how the 360 was designed*. Microsoft don't prevent you from using the console at all, it still works, however it's the T&Cs of Live which strictly ban the use of "modified hardware". If the PS3 had been hacked, Sony would do the same because these modifications can be used to cheat in games online. Microsoft has every right to want to protect their service. Play backups if you want, just not while connected to Live. *Recently, a new hack has appeared allowing you to run unsigned code on the 360 (Read: Homebrew). It's still in the early stages, however it requires some soldering and flashing of the 360's internal Flash memory. currently, it has no "useful" purpose, you can't run games with it, you can't even look at a JPEG as its all in the very very early stages. And, of course, has been patched by Microsoft. are you talking about the free60 hack? that thing sucks! you have to have an old console with the old dashboard, solder 3 resistors from the motherboard to a parallel adapter for what? snes9x? linux?...frigging lame i say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watsxn Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 if you don't want to get you console banned, take out the cord to the internet, play the games, then plug it back in when your done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 are you talking about the free60 hack? that thing sucks! you have to have an old console with the old dashboard, solder 3 resistors from the motherboard to a parallel adapter for what? snes9x? linux?...frigging lame i say Are you being sarcastic? lol. The hack hasn't been out in the wild for a week, you can't just expect all homebrew to instantly work on it! And yes, currently it's only available for the old 360's, but the hack itself works on ALL 360 models, it just needs to be written for it. New files will be released for later chipsets in the coming days. It's just the very beginning for this hack, once the scene matures you'll have custom dashboards, emulators for all kinds of systems, web browsers (firefox, anyone?) and all sorts of cool things. Basically, anything the Xbox1 could do and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0mbi Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 haha my bad..i was having a moment there. it's Linux that i don't like :p when something can run a snes emulator easier enough..until that i steer clear lol so you do your homework wise ol' kushan and do that mod and let us all know how you go!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg187 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 You only get banned if you break the terms of service. Live is by no means the only business that operates like that.Their terms of service is crap.Here are my terms, if I pay for a console I can do whatever I want with it and wanna go online for free using backups with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Their terms of service is crap.Here are my terms, if I pay for a console I can do whatever I want with it and wanna go online for free using backups with it. You can do whatever you want with the console, right up to the point you enter THEIR 'domain', which is Live. Their house, their rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahhell Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Their terms of service is crap.Here are my terms, if I pay for a console I can do whatever I want with it and wanna go online for free using backups with it. Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_teh_Tech Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Wow I really don't know why you got banned, that's amazing. I know lot's of people who have tricked out xbox's. But if you want it directly from the horse's mouth, here is a little tid-bit from Major Nelson http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/voices...majornelson.htm Good luck trying to get un-banned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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