+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted August 20, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted August 20, 2009 While there is a huge difference between SD and HD, SD doesn't look that bad, especially if you have nothing to compare it to, even on an HDTV. I had to use SD cables on my HDTV for a few weeks and didn't have a problem. Most people don't care that much about the difference. That's why many still don't even have an HDTV. "Bad" is a subjective word. You probably have much higher standards than most of the market when it comes to this SD/HD thing.I don't know why it's so hard to believe that the majority of people are playing in SD. HD is still relatively new and it's only catching on very slowly. -Spenser HD is hardly catching on slowly, try finding an SDTV in stores the past few years. There's plenty of lower brand 24-32" TVs around ?200 nowadays, you don't need to blow the bank to get an HD enabled TV/monitor. I will say the point someone above made about students in accommodation still on SDTVs is a good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenser.d Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 HD is hardly catching on slowly, try finding an SDTV in stores the past few years. There's plenty of lower brand 32" TVs around ?200 nowadays, you don't need to blow the bank to get an HDTV enabled TV/monitor. I will say the point someone above made about students in accommodation still on SDTVs is a good point. Yes, but just because there aren't very many SDTV's for sale doesn't mean people are buying HDTV's. My parents are a good example. They were perfectly fine waiting until their SDTV went to hell before actively going out and buying an HDTV, even though they knew how much better HD is. Also, just because people are buying HDTV's doesn't mean they're buying into HD. As you said, it's not like they have a choice. -Spenser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted August 20, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted August 20, 2009 Yes, but just because there aren't very many SDTV's for sale doesn't mean people are buying HDTV's. My parents are a good example. They were perfectly fine waiting until their SDTV went to hell before actively going out and buying an HDTV, even though they knew how much better HD is. Also, just because people are buying HDTV's doesn't mean they're buying into HD. As you said, it's not like they have a choice.-Spenser Your parents aren't buying a games console. What I'm saying is the market for HDTVs isn't exactly catching on slowly amongst those actively buying HD media players/HD games consoles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenser.d Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Your parents aren't buying a games console. What I'm saying is the market for HDTVs isn't exactly catching on slowly amongst those actively buying HD media players/HD games consoles. I still don't think the majority of the gaming market cares that much about HD. People buying games consoles are doing it for the games, not for HD. Even among my friends, many of which have HDTV's and all three of the current-gen consoles, none are particularly gung-ho about HD. All they care about is being able to play games. Like I said, I think you just have high standards. SD doesn't make games look bad. It's just not nearly as good as HD. I will go on the record saying MS should at least include the component cables, but I doubt it will have much of a significant impact in the long run. -Spenser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted August 20, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted August 20, 2009 I still don't think the majority of the gaming market cares that much about HD. People buying games consoles are doing it for the games, not for HD. Even among my friends, many of which have HDTV's and all three of the current-gen consoles, none are particularly gung-ho about HD. All they care about is being able to play games.-Spenser Seeing as the majority of the market own Wii's, yeah okay, but I find it very hard to swallow that you can seriously say the majority of those buying a PS3/360 don't care about HD.... There's a difference between not caring about HD, and not being able to afford HD. Show someone Forza 3/GT5 running in 1080p on an HDTV, then show them it running in 480p on an SDTV and ask them what they care about more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenser.d Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Seeing as the majority of the market own Wii's, yeah okay, but I find it very hard to swallow that you can seriously say the majority of those buying a PS3/360 don't care about HD.... There's a difference between not caring about HD, and not being able to afford HD.Show someone Forza 3/GT5 running in 1080p on an HDTV, then show them it running in 480p on an SDTV and ask them what they care about more. I'm saying right now that people buying PS3/360's don't care that much about HD. They care more about the games. If a person truly cares about HD, they can shell out for the cable. The market isn't like this forum. -Spenser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted August 20, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted August 20, 2009 I'm saying right now that people buying PS3/360's don't care that much about HD. They care more about the games. If a person truly cares about HD, they can shell out for the cable. The market isn't like this forum.-Spenser What? A cable doesn't make an SDTV, HD. If someone owns an HDTV just now they'll be playing in HD, the only reason they wouldn't is not realising they are playing in SD. As I said before there's a difference between not caring, and not being able to afford. There's no way if you said to all the PS3/360 owners would you rather game in SD, than HD at no extra cost a majority would say SD. It's a priority of costs, it's still hundreds of pounds for an HDTV, for some people that's just too much still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenser.d Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 You didn't even come close to understanding my point, and I'm not repeating myself. -Spenser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emn1ty Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 This is exactly why I refuse to buy an xbox. Micro$oft always looking to choke every dollar they can out of you. You have to buy all these damn accessories just to get a use out of one, and their hard drives are damn expensive. I can put any ol' 5400RPM laptop drive im my PS3 and it works great. I think I've got a 320GB in there now. Now don't get me wrong, I am no fanboy, I actually tend to avoid all other Sony products. I just think Micro$oft's business model is junk. And the PS2 was exactly the same as the 360 is this time around. But the fact of the matter is the PS3 caters to a completely different market than the 360 does. The PS3 is a multimedia device, the 360 is one also but focuses on games. When it comes to gaming, the PS3 has been lacking for a long time and it is still lagging behind the 360 a good amount. HD is hardly catching on slowly, try finding an SDTV in stores the past few years. There's plenty of lower brand 24-32" TVs around ?200 nowadays, you don't need to blow the bank to get an HD enabled TV/monitor. I will say the point someone above made about students in accommodation still on SDTVs is a good point. Stores don't sell SDTV's, yet due to the recent price drop of 20-32" SDTV/EDTV's due to HD ones becoming cheaper the number of sales before stores discontinued them was extremely high. Cheap and quick, essentially. Which is why you see them in so many dorms, why the converter boxes at Target were sold out constantly, and why you're post makes no sense. You are continuing to impose your own savvy on the general population. Even me, a savvy and even a videophile who desires great picture quality have no less than 3 SDTV's in my room, let alone the other 4 of them in my house and one in the motor home outside. Based on Target prices. TV's at 20" average $200, some are even hitting $350 depending on the brand and features. 32's are more along the lines of $399-$599. When you can buy a 26" lay around $349-$450 and that is hundreds more than a $150 20" SDTV, or perhaps a $250 26" SD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I seriously doubt that quote can be taken in context of being as simple as GoW2 sold 5~6 million copies, 2.5~3 million on SDTV.How would Rein even know that? None of my friends are playing their PS3 or 360 on a SDTV (and we're talking a large number of 360s), some of them are using monitors, but it's all HD resolutions. Not saying I can in anyway apply that context to every single person on Neowin, but on the other hand I seriously doubt 50% of the people playing GoW2 were doing it on an SDTV. At least I hope not, WHAT A WASTE. At least get your 360 hooked up to a PC monitor (Y) Standard definition, ughhhh :x And yeah I know not everyone can afford an HDTV or a monitor, not trying to be harsh here, I just can't believe 50% of the people who bought GoW2 were playing in Wii resolutions. Surveys. They can accurately predict that kind of stuff. How do you think Nielson ratings work? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshBluebird Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 PS3 has had no issues with that, again don't make people too dumb just to suit an argument. Sadly, the general public is that dumb though. You can never underestimate the stupidity of people. I think the only reason the PS3 is fine with this is because it is more expensive, and is more high end (in that it is a bluray player etc too), so people buying one are generally more tech literate. The 360 though is now selling for ?130 (maybe a little more soon). At that price, its easier for the less hardcore gamers to get one. And generally, people like that aren't that tech literate and may not know what HD or SD means (I know my mate who currently is happy with his PS2, but is thinking of getting a 360 doesn't really understand the SD / HD / component / HDMI stuff). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted August 21, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) Sadly, the general public is that dumb though.You can never underestimate the stupidity of people. I think the only reason the PS3 is fine with this is because it is more expensive, and is more high end (in that it is a bluray player etc too), so people buying one are generally more tech literate. The 360 though is now selling for ?130 (maybe a little more soon). At that price, its easier for the less hardcore gamers to get one. And generally, people like that aren't that tech literate and may not know what HD or SD means (I know my mate who currently is happy with his PS2, but is thinking of getting a 360 doesn't really understand the SD / HD / component / HDMI stuff). With all the answers/arguments you guys are making against me maybe it is me that's just too ignorant, but I'd seriously like to think people that don't have much of a knowledge of something would at least RTFM and LEARN about the device they've just bought. You've only got yourself to blame if you can't spend 5 minutes reading the instruction manual for a device you've just plonked down a 3 figure sum for. That's just being careless and disrespectful to your own hard earned money. I know I used to do that with technology before I got to a stage where nearly everything is plug and play/trial and error for me. In fact I still do read manuals, most recently for a new camera we bought, because I'm not the most tech savvy with cameras. Just because I use the internet and post on forums doesn't mean I know everything, there's people out there who don't even touch the internet that will know more than me about a lot of things (electronic and technology related) - Hence my point that I find it quite annoying when forum users pretend every single person not online is a complete idiot. Edited August 21, 2009 by Audioboxer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshBluebird Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) With all the answers/arguments you guys are making against me maybe it is me that's just too ignorant, but I'd seriously like to think people that don't have much of a knowledge of something would at least RTFM and LEARN about the device they've just bought. You've only got yourself to blame if you can't spend 5 minutes reading the instruction manual for a device you've just plonked down a 3 figure sum for. That's just being careless and disrespectful to your own hard earned money.I know I used to do that with technology before I got to a stage where nearly everything is plug and play/trial and error for me. In fact I still do read manuals, most recently for a new camera we bought, because I'm not the most tech savvy with cameras. Just because I use the internet and post on forums doesn't mean I know everything, there's people out there who don't even touch the internet that will know more than me about a lot of things (electronic and technology related) - Hence my point that I find it quite annoying when forum users pretend every single person not online is a complete idiot. You'd like to think so yeah. But sadly thats not the case. At least in my experience with people. A lot of people are intimidated by technology and manuals etc. Especially the older generation (I'd probably say those over 40). And yeah, of course not everyone who isn't online is a complete idiot. But a very large percentage of the population are not tech savy. Extreme example, but my dad can't even record something on Sky+ (even though all you have to do is press the record button!!). Even if you assume people are willing to learn and stuff. Why should they? Surely the thing they have bought should work as it is meant to right out of the box? You shouldn't have to go out and buy a HD cable for a console that has been advertised on its HD capability (360 and PS3). I do think the general public are becoming more tech savy now though. Especially as we go through the digital switchover and we have freesat HD, and the freeview HD trials. We shall see. Edited August 21, 2009 by WelshBluebird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahhell Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 I'd seriously like to think people that don't have much of a knowledge of something would at least RTFM and LEARN about the device they've just bought. You've only got yourself to blame if you can't spend 5 minutes reading the instruction manual for a device you've just plonked down a 3 figure sum for. That's just being careless and disrespectful to your own hard earned money. You give people far more credit than they deserve. Normal everyday consumers are ****ing morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acnpt Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 They should at least just include a hdmi cable, and the normal component then. 2m hdmi cable is currently ?3.91 on ebuyer. Now think how cheap microsoft could get those cables. I bought my latest xbox from Argos, if I wanted to buy a 2m hdmi cable from there, the cheapest would cost me ?17.99. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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