Boz Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 DivX Tech Preview enables thumbnails, playback, and detailed information for MKV files. Although Windows 7 maintains support for established frameworks such as DirectShow, there was no other solution for rendering content in an MKV container through the Media Foundation framework - until today! The advantages of enabling MKV file support in the Media Foundation framework include the ability to use hardware acceleration for H.264 video decoding via the system H.264 decoder (where supported), as well as adding support for serving both DivX and DivX Plus HD video through Windows Media Center Extenders and the Windows Media Network Sharing Service for UPNP devices. DivX Tech Preview: MKV on Windows 7: http://labs.divx.com/mkvwin7preview Project R?moulade download link (you need to register first)> http://labs.divx.com/node/6536 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin-uk Veteran Posted September 13, 2009 Veteran Share Posted September 13, 2009 interesting :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted September 13, 2009 Veteran Share Posted September 13, 2009 You could already stream MKV's to the 360 with PS3 Media Server. Works with both Vista and 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argi Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 DivX Tech Preview: MKV on Windows 7:http://labs.divx.com/mkvwin7preview Project R?moulade download link (you need to register first)> http://labs.divx.com/node/6536 Which one do we download? (ignoring the fact that the 2nd link requires registration) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob21 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 (edited) Thats on the fly trans-coding , May aswell kill two birds with one stone and mux this garbage to MPG/MP4 where it belongs in the first pace . Edited September 13, 2009 by bob21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unimatrix Xero Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 hmmm interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boz Posted September 13, 2009 Author Share Posted September 13, 2009 You could already stream MKV's to the 360 with PS3 Media Server. Works with both Vista and 7. There's kind of an issue. With Windows Media Network Sharing Service for UPNP devices capability, this project will allow you to stream MKV files to any device that supports it. The more important thing is that it allows you to use Windows Media Center Extender devices like Xbox 360 to stream your files natively from WMC. I agree, it does work in similar fashion as PS3MS but this is the first real corporate attempt with some weight to bring this universal support and I am actually excited to be able to use WMC from Xbox 360 as it's very cool and be able to stream movies as well instead of going through folders as I have now with PS3MS (and I only get stereo sound when PS3MS transcodes DTS/FLAC files). Now we just need FLAC support in MKV audio streams and we are SET. We will have full HD audio support through Windows Media Center whether you use it on PS3, Xbox 360 or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unrealistic Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?show...=802950&hl= Don't need this though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwarren Veteran Posted September 13, 2009 Veteran Share Posted September 13, 2009 https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?show...=802950&hl=Don't need this though. You do need this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unrealistic Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 With all due respect, then why can I stream MKV (as well as others users can) without this installed? The screenshot above shows build 7000. RTM is 7600. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted September 13, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted September 13, 2009 Now we just need FLAC support in MKV audio streams and we are SET. We will have full HD audio support through Windows Media Center whether you use it on PS3, Xbox 360 or whatever. Can I ask you how you expect to get HD audio through the 360 when it doesn't support HD audio or FLAC? PS3 MS is a good option for 360 owners now IMO. Better than TVersity anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boz Posted September 13, 2009 Author Share Posted September 13, 2009 With all due respect, then why can I stream MKV (as well as others users can) without this installed?The screenshot above shows build 7000. RTM is 7600. Have you tried streaming MKVs through Windows Media Center 7? They don't work. Install this and it works great. It doesn't work with FLAC or DTS files though. I just tried it. So AC3 audio is still the most what we can get but it does work. The movies I have in AC3 640kbps work flawlessly directly through Windows Media Center on Xbox 360. Super cool. @AB Yes.. PS3MS does DTS/FLAC conversion for audio track in your MKVs unfortunately it's only STEREO when opened through Xbox 360. Per Shagrath, Xbox 360 is a huge pain to code because it's closed up quite a bit. I don't expect HD audio from Xbox 360 but I do hope at least the conversion from PCM/FLAC/DTS to AC3 compatible stream when trans coded to Xbox 360. Having this and allowing us to access MKVs through Windows Media Center interface on your Xbox 360 is a very positive thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted September 13, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted September 13, 2009 (edited) @ABYes.. PS3MS does DTS/FLAC conversion for audio track in your MKVs unfortunately it's only STEREO when opened through Xbox 360. Per Shagrath, Xbox 360 is a huge pain to code because it's closed up quite a bit. Having this and allowing us to access MKVs through Windows Media Center interface on your Xbox 360 is a very positive thing. The pain to code for bit is more so to do with limitations with FF/RW - http://ps3mediaserver.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=716 I still don't really understand your answer to me, the 360 won't do HD audio unless MS add FLAC support, it's a codec based issue is it not? Wouldn't the 360 have to have hardware inside it to support HD? It doesn't do LPCM either, it can't decode HD itself... Does the Windows Media Center interface support transcoding but? There will be times you need to transcode. Good thing about PS3MS is it will pretty much play anything you through at it, flash videos, other junk, etc. Edited September 13, 2009 by Audioboxer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unrealistic Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Have you tried streaming MKVs through Windows Media Center 7? They don't work. Install this and it works great. It doesn't work with FLAC or DTS files though. I just tried it. So AC3 audio is still the most what we can get but it does work. The movies I have in AC3 640kbps work flawlessly directly through Windows Media Center on Xbox 360. Super cool. Of course I have.....why would I have made my thread about it if I hadn't tested it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwarren Veteran Posted September 13, 2009 Veteran Share Posted September 13, 2009 Of course I have.....why would I have made my thread about it if I hadn't tested it? Clearly you've installed some app/codec to achieve that. It's not standard on fresh installs of 7 that's 100% sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted September 13, 2009 Veteran Share Posted September 13, 2009 Can I ask you how you expect to get HD audio through the 360 when it doesn't support HD audio or FLAC?PS3 MS is a good option for 360 owners now IMO. Better than TVersity anyway. The 360 does support HD audio. I just watched some video over at GT.com last month or before where the developers were boasting their game is the first on the 360 to do so. They had to license some new tech to pull it off. I'll try find which game it was, it escapes me just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted September 13, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted September 13, 2009 The 360 does support HD audio. I just watched some video over at GT.com last month or before where the developers were boasting their game is the first on the 360 to do so. They had to license some new tech to pull it off. I'll try find which game it was, it escapes me just now. Even if that's the case its unlikely it'll be the same as the codecs used for HD audio in films/media as those are bound to hardware support and/or the ability to decode and pass uncompressed (FLAC/LPCM). I'll be interested to see that video as I have no idea what they're talking about nor have I heard anything about this as of yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Not sure why you people are banging on about HD audio, low-quality mono sound is awesome (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted September 13, 2009 Veteran Share Posted September 13, 2009 Even if that's the case its unlikely it'll be the same as the codecs used for HD audio in films/media as those are bound to hardware support and/or the ability to decode and pass uncompressed (FLAC/LPCM).I'll be interested to see that video as I have no idea what they're talking about nor have I heard anything about this as of yet. Nah I know it won't be the same as movies etc, just saying the 360 is finally seeing HD audio in games though. It's really annoying me which game it is, it wasn't an AAA title though. I swear I posted something about it on NW before. Let me check my post history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unrealistic Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 The 360 does support HD audio. I just watched some video over at GT.com last month or before where the developers were boasting their game is the first on the 360 to do so. They had to license some new tech to pull it off. I'll try find which game it was, it escapes me just now. Incorrect. The game you are referring to was Prototype, but they were the first 360 game to have 7.1 sound, not HD sound. I remember the video. TomW: it must have been Shark's application. The only other video programs I ever install are VLC, MPC-HC and Hulu Player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted September 13, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted September 13, 2009 Incorrect. The game you are referring to was Prototype, but they were the first 360 game to have 7.1 sound, not HD sound. I remember the video. Ah right yeah that sounds familiar, think I seen that myself. I was wondering as HD audio requires hardware capable of decoding/passing through, plus it's quite hefty on the disc space requirements. One of the genuine things to take up space on those BD PS3 games, that's not devs going padding crazy with repeated data. What you guys want is for Shagrath to find a way to get DTS tracks streaming to the 360. It works through a trick on the PS3 that makes it think it's a LPCM track, so it passes it through untouched and your receiver knows its DTS, I dunno how he could do it on 360... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boz Posted September 13, 2009 Author Share Posted September 13, 2009 Unfortunately AB and Unrealistic are right DM. Xbox 360 doesn't have support for DTS-HD/DTS-MA/TrueHD nor does it have support for streaming LPCM as far as I know.. It will only stream 2 ch PCM/DTS/DD directly from discs but the best it can support is AC3 (DD) through files. The reason this is, I assume, is that they are trying to protect their own codecs like lossless WAV, WMVHD and so on. This is what I don't like about Microsoft. They have done a lot of good things in terms of experience (I definitely love Windows Media Center over PS3 XMB UI) but are still that huge corporation that is greedy and is trying to push only their own proprietary stuff. I'm sure we wouldn't have seen this on Playstation either if PS3 wasn't at the last place and Sony had to push harder. For that reason alone they did TrueHD and DTS-MA decoding via software after a lot of people complained. Even with that, You still can't stream HD audio directly to PS3 from network but have to use PS3MS which again only transcodes to PCM for the most part. For example FLAC/DTS streams are transcoded to 2 channel PCM at 48khz and sent to PS3 and PS3 sends that stream to your receiver. It does still contain DTS information so AVR actually does DTS separation. With FLAC, PS3MS sends a multi-channel PCM stream to PS3 at 4.6mbps as the highest bitrate. Either way PS3 doesn't have the ability to passthrough HD audio codecs directly from network, only from discs. But all of this doesn't change the fact that Xbox 360 is in fact a lesser choice for those who want better audio. The point I was making is that I'm glad either way to get my MKVs on Xbox 360. I just wish that either this DivX thing or PS3MS transcode DTS/FLAC to AC3 compatible stream so Xbox 360 also gets surround sound from network files with these codecs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted September 13, 2009 Veteran Share Posted September 13, 2009 Incorrect. The game you are referring to was Prototype, but they were the first 360 game to have 7.1 sound, not HD sound. I remember the video.TomW: it must have been Shark's application. The only other video programs I ever install are VLC, MPC-HC and Hulu Player. I had a feeling it might have been Prototype, but that came out in like May or something. It felt a lot more recent than that, but anyway my mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+KibosJ Subscriber² Posted September 13, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted September 13, 2009 I installed this crap and I now don't have audio with MKV files, so that means it gets removed :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrian Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 You got me all excited thinking there was a new build out. This is old news. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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