Ayepecks Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Regardless of how fun a game is, I always notice the flaws. For example, I love playing ODST right now, but everytime I stop playing I think 'man, if only the graphics were better...' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green_Eye Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Regardless of how fun a game is, I always notice the flaws. For example, I love playing ODST right now, but everytime I stop playing I think 'man, if only the graphics were better...' Fair enough. I personally forget the graphics if the gameplay is fun. If the gameplay is rubbish and slow I tend to notice bad graphics and animation glitches etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 For me, the graphics have never been the be all and end all for any game. However, after nearly three years, I expected a bit more progress in the graphics department, especially considering the map isn't being changed. Now I know that won't stop the game being fun (providing the core gameplay is decent, I'm still not sure I like the zombie idea) but it's just something I notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-KJ Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 I like the stylized graphics that made the first one look comic-ish and cartoony. They were done on purpose. So if CD2 is anything like the first graphics-wise, well it isn't 'bad' graphics. Just not your cup of tea as far as styling goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mail Posted September 25, 2009 Author Share Posted September 25, 2009 I like the stylized graphics that made the first one look comic-ish and cartoony. They were done on purpose. Yes kinda cell-shaded but 3d as well. It was pretty cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unrealistic Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 Regardless of how fun a game is, I always notice the flaws. For example, I love playing ODST right now, but everytime I stop playing I think 'man, if only the graphics were better...' You could say that is a personality flaw. Are you a glass half empty kind of person? I tend to pick apart games, but there are other times where I am so immersed in the experience, graphics just become a secondary part to the game. Beatles Rock Band is a prime example. It wasn't the most realistic, but the backgrounds put a smile to my face that no other game had ever done. I tend to focus on the positive qualities of a game, rather than dawn on the imperfections. No game is a 10/10, but that is the beauty of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 A personality flaw? LMAO. No, I'm not a glass half-empty kind of person at all, actually. I am just able to notice flaws in works of media (games, movies, music) that I dislike. I think that's standard human nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unrealistic Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 So by that then you mean to say you dislike every game you have played recently, as you pick them all apart on neowin. :p Unless you wrote that sentence incorrectly.... Graphics aren't necessarily a 'flaw' as well. That is more of a subjective opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 So by that then you mean to say you dislike every game you have played recently, as you pick them all apart on neowin. :p Unless you wrote that sentence incorrectly....Graphics aren't necessarily a 'flaw' as well. That is more of a subjective opinion. You're trying to make the most ridiculous argument I've ever seen and I don't think anyone here wants to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyro Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 They really weren't. The explosions were good but the textures were all surrounded by a thick black line that looked ****. the whole art Style would not be the same if those black lines were not there. They make the particular art style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted September 26, 2009 Global Moderator Share Posted September 26, 2009 As many have said, that was the artstyle then went with in the first one. I expect the graphics to look better in CD2 but still keep much of the same style going. That's just the way it is. Each game picks one and goes with it, that's why some have that gritty and dark look, while others are more full of color and or "cartoonish". Now if you like the graphics or not IS a pure subjective opinion, unless you start to break down the technical numbers of game A vs game B to show how one has more polygons and so on. But no one here does that, so it's not objective at all. The simple fact is, the graphics in crackdown 1 aren't a flaw, unless you can point to specific graphics glitches and bugs, then there is no "flaw". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 Loved the first one and I'm sure I'll love this one as well (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unrealistic Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 You're trying to make the most ridiculous argument I've ever seen and I don't think anyone here wants to see it. Ayepecks has always been known to pick apart games. I can never tell if he likes gaming as a whole anymore because every game he plays, he rips apart even if he says he likes the game. And how is graphics not subjective? Surely I want to see my own argument, so already your statement is null. Move on if you don't like what I have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 Ayepecks has always been known to pick apart games. I can never tell if he likes gaming as a whole anymore because every game he plays, he rips apart even if he says he likes the game. And how is graphics not subjective?Surely I want to see my own argument, so already your statement is null. Move on if you don't like what I have to say. Your 'opinion' was just you criticising the language he used in his post, just like you're doing again there :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unrealistic Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 Hey buddy, put me on ignore then or answer my question. Here, let me spell it out for you... H o w a r e g r a p h i c s i n g a m e s n o t s u b j e c t i v e ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ien Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 Dude, you're not making any sense. XBOX 360 graphics power has not improved since 2005 - some people have seen the graphics power of say a GTX 280 and if that's their standard for graphics, they're free to wish their console games looked a little better. Impossible as that may be. Consoles don't advance as quickly as the latest technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unrealistic Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 Graphics power hasn't improved, but optimization has. The point I'm trying to make is, not every game is based on graphics. Scribblenauts ia prime example of how gameplay can be innovative, regardless of graphical ability. The point I made in the beginning is no game will ever be perfect, but there is a point where I ask serious gamers, why even play? If you're going to sit around and say "god, look at the clipping of this tree" then you are no longer enjoying the game, but rather finding minor, negative aspects to complain about. If games have obvious problems, then yes, tear them apart, or if a game has inconsistent graphics (one level looks amazing, next is ****) then by all means bring it up. You have already defeated your own logic if you expect a 4 year old console to keep up with a $3,000 dollar gaming rig that has an AMD 5870 X2. I just wonder why certain people play games now. Hell even I went through that phase. The game was Uncharted: Drake's Fortune and I started to play the first level and laughed that the foilage wasn't moving when my character ran past it....then I thought to myself "Stfu, it's only a game" and enjoyed the hell out of it. We play games to enjoy them, not bitch about every minor detail. If you don't enjoy gaming anymore, it's time you take a step back, ask yourself why, and maybe come back to it in a few months. Sometimes, I feel as gamers, we demand far too much from developers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted September 26, 2009 Global Moderator Share Posted September 26, 2009 Dude, you're not making any sense. XBOX 360 graphics power has not improved since 2005 - some people have seen the graphics power of say a GTX 280 and if that's their standard for graphics, they're free to wish their console games looked a little better. Impossible as that may be. Consoles don't advance as quickly as the latest technology. I don't think this had anything to do with weather or not 360 games can get better gfx still. The argument started off with the whole idea that crackdowns original graphics are flawed. Which I don't agree with personally. You pick an art style for your game, be it gritty, colorful and so on. If you as the player don't like the style calling that a flaw isn't true, that's just your subjective opinion. Now if you call it flawed and point out glitches and bugs etc, in the rendering or level design etc, that's more objective and in the end holds more merit. That's what I got outta this anyways. And besides 360 games have looked better since 2005, no dev can fully use a systems abilities till later on. While we will hit the limit around now imo. I have a feeling the games that will come out in 2010 will be as good as it gets for this gen of consoles, all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyLarry Veteran Posted September 26, 2009 Veteran Share Posted September 26, 2009 Not impressed by the visuals in these screen shots, but as some have said it has always been Gameplay > Graphics for myself. If a game happens to have great visuals, that is icing on the cake, but I can play the prettiest game in the world, but if it sucks, it sucks, the better graphics mean nothing at all. Also just have to say graphics are really not going to get all that much better this generation on the consoles. Maybe one or two games that come out will look just a bit better, but we have pretty much seen what we are going to see graphics wise. This is of course my opinion, but it is an opinion based with a decent understanding of how things are done. Especially when talking about the 360 (and just FTR yes the PS3 as well), but the 360 has been out 4 years now this November(and developers have had dev kits even longer), so the simple truth is developers still have the same components to work with that they did from the get go, so we are not just going to somehow see better visuals without noticeable hits to performance. Again, naturally there might be one or two games that come out that have noticeably better graphics, but nothing that is going to be much more than what we have seen. To me this is just a reality, so I just expect games to look as good or just a tad better than what I have already seen over the course of the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Ayepecks has always been known to pick apart games. I can never tell if he likes gaming as a whole anymore because every game he plays, he rips apart even if he says he likes the game. And how is graphics not subjective?Surely I want to see my own argument, so already your statement is null. Move on if you don't like what I have to say. I "[have] always been known to pick apart games"? LOL. OK, buddy. Sorry for having an opinion. Next time I'll be sure to divert all my thoughts and feelings to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unrealistic Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Yes, I am genuinely hurt by your opinions. Let me go slit my wrists now, as your negative opinions about games have brought me to a place I never thought was possible. :rolleyes: And I'm STILL waiting for someone to answer my damn question, than chose what parts they would like to comment. Gotta love Neowin for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Yes, I am genuinely hurt by your opinions. Let me go slit my wrists now, as your negative opinions about games have brought me to a place I never thought was possible. :rolleyes:And I'm STILL waiting for someone to answer my damn question, than chose what parts they would like to comment. Gotta love Neowin for that. What on earth do you keep rambling on about? I have opinions. Sorry I post them. If you don't like them, don't read them. You are aware that this thread is about the SCREENSHOTS of an unreleased game, correct? Not the gameplay or anything else, right? Am I supposed to say they look amazing if I think they look rather bad? Sorry, but if I think it looks bad, and the thread is about the screens, I'm going to say it. I never said my opinion of how the game looks was fact or anything like that. I have no clue where you're getting that from. Here were my posts, for the record: "Graphics don't impress me, but maybe the gameplay will." "Regardless of how fun a game is, I always notice the flaws. For example, I love playing ODST right now, but everytime I stop playing I think 'man, if only the graphics were better...' " So don't give me your back-handed comments about me having personality flaws and act like I'm the one in the wrong here, when I did nothing wrong besides making a statement of opinion. I'm not sure where I have a "history" of picking apart games. I've been a pretty vocal supporter of numerous games on here, have shared my opinion on the good and bad on many, and said when I didn't care about a game. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I've ever just said a game was bad for no reason. Please don't PM me again, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unrealistic Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 I didn't mean the personality flaw comment as an insult, rather than an observation, but okay. No wonder Munky and you don't get along. You and I used to get along, but you are quite honestly full of yourself on these forums. See that post count underneath your name? That is your history. One of the few games you have enjoyed is FEAR, and that's the only game in a while. I understand what the thread was about, but I guess you forgot where you brought up Halo ODST when this was a topic for Crackdown, which is when I first quoted you. You were the one who brought up something off topic which turned it into this. I'd say a few other choice words, but I would get a warning. When you were Scorpio you weren't this condescending though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 I didn't mean the personality flaw comment as an insult, rather than an observation, but okay. No wonder Munky and you don't get along. You and I used to get along, but you are quite honestly full of yourself on these forums.See that post count underneath your name? That is your history. One of the few games you have enjoyed is FEAR, and that's the only game in a while. I understand what the thread was about, but I guess you forgot where you brought up Halo ODST when this was a topic for Crackdown, which is when I first quoted you. You were the one who brought up something off topic which turned it into this. I'd say a few other choice words, but I would get a warning. When you were Scorpio you weren't this condescending though. :laugh: Whatever you say. I gave an example, sue me. I think it's abundantly obvious I like Halo 3: ODST from all the posts I've made about it. Excuse me for saying the graphics are mediocre, just like almost every single review of the game have said. Clearly I should not be allowed to talk about that, but everyone else should. You didn't exactly prove your point with the number of posts I have, but whatever. I'm pretty sure I've defended just as many games as I've critiqued, but OK. I don't know where Munky fits into any of this, but there have been plenty of people who don't like him, and plenty of people who don't like me. Plenty of the opposite, too. I don't care if he doesn't like me, to be blunt. I don't care if you don't. But if you don't at least have the decency to not send me PMs or make insults. I don't see how I'm being condescending at all here. I'm not the one making back-handed statements and PMing other members to say 'sorry you got your panties in a bunch' (notice the choice of words -- not, 'sorry if I offended you'). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-KJ Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 You guys should just drop it or continue via PM and quit trashing this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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