veritas310 Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Office 2008 works like a dream on my 64-bit Snow Leopard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Gil Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Quite a lot, actually.Numbers is a joke compared to Excel, for one thing. Well duh... You're comparing a corporate product with something made for home use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliott Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Well duh... You're comparing a corporate product with something made for home use. Not really. A better comparison would be "you're comparing a product with 24 years (27 years if you count Multiplan) and loads of customer feedback, developers, and funding under its belt to a product that's 2 years old, has a much smaller user base, and isn't a major money-maker for Apple". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Well duh... You're comparing a corporate product with something made for home use. Err, if it was a corporate product, it wouldn't be being sold in every version of Office. It's designed for homes as much as it is businesses, so it's a fair comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Neo Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Not really. A better comparison would be "you're comparing a product with 24 years (27 years if you count Multiplan) and loads of customer feedback, developers, and funding under its belt to a product that's 2 years old, has a much smaller user base, and isn't a major money-maker for Apple". That didn't stop Apple from blowing PowerPoint away with Keynote though. Granted Numbers is a few years younger than Keynote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillz Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 That didn't stop Apple from blowing PowerPoint away with Keynote though. Granted Numbers is a few years younger than Keynote. I've used both and find them about equal. I can produce more or less the same presentations on either software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Neo Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 I've used both as well, extensively. Especially the animations and transition effects are much smoother, nicer and offer more options in Keynote. Also I find Keynote to be much more straight forward and easier to use than PowerPoint and has a tighter integration with Mac OS X and iLife. But then again I never really thought much of Microsoft's level of integration between Windows and its popular applications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliott Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 That didn't stop Apple from blowing PowerPoint away with Keynote though. Granted Numbers is a few years younger than Keynote. Well, Steve Jobs had to have his fancy presentations, and PowerPoint wasn't cutting it. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qumahlin Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Numbers is a joke compared to Excel, for one thing. How so and what type of work are you doing in Excel. I'll tell you right now when it comes to opening large datasets numbers blows excel so far away it's a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 How so and what type of work are you doing in Excel.I'll tell you right now when it comes to opening large datasets numbers blows excel so far away it's a joke. when it comes to complex scripting numbers isn't up to par. Pivot tables can be simulated with a few hacks but that doesn't help you when world+dog is trading .xls files that simply break when you try and use numbers (likewise: shipping complex numbers spreadsheets to excel doesn't work well either). counting items with conditions can also be somewhat simulated but it requires orders of magnitude more work than it should. Number works well for many things, i'd say it's more than adequate for the home user but it's not not an excel replacement. The major hold back is the cross-platform compatibility (it's not as good as pages' word export/import - which isn't stellar either). With pages -> word you end up with slightly uglier documents. With numbers -> excel you end up with a useless file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyX Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Yeah, after using it some more times : - Cannot do pivot tables - Cannot solve a system of linear equations - Don't have connectors to connect shapes (unless I'm mistaken). Yeah, I missed that tonight. - Cell styles (yeah, we have table styles on the left, but... you know...) I'm positive that the 3rd iteration of this app will fill the gap between Numbers and Excel 2007 / 2010, with a few things missing still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Gil Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Err, if it was a corporate product, it wouldn't be being sold in every version of Office. It's designed for homes as much as it is businesses, so it's a fair comparison. Not it's not, I can go shopping with a Ferrari but that doesn't make it fair to be compared with a minivan, does it? The point I'm making is that MS Office has a long corporate tradition, and as such offers a lot of advanced functionality. iWork is built with the home user in mind, they're two completely different products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Neo Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 And Elliott does have a point, Numbers is the youngest application in the iWork suite so it still needs some time to mature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Not it's not, I can go shopping with a Ferrari but that doesn't make it fair to be compared with a minivan, does it? The point I'm making is that MS Office has a long corporate tradition, and as such offers a lot of advanced functionality. iWork is built with the home user in mind, they're two completely different products. Oh please, I'm getting bored of the analogies around here now. They're both available for home users, so they're competing products that can be compared. It doesn't matter what the history is, it's how they perform today that we're interested in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windbag Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I see that the simple question about Office and Snow Leo compatibility turns into a holy war between Excel and Numbers fans. :) I have another question - is Adobe CS4 already compatible with Snow Leopard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliott Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I see that the simple question about Office and Snow Leo compatibility turns into a holy war between Excel and Numbers fans. :) I have another question - is Adobe CS4 already compatible with Snow Leopard? :laugh: I hate both because I hate spreadsheets. I just find Numbers to be the lesser of two evils. Anyway, yep, CS4 works just fine with Snow Leopard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Didn't mean for this thread to turn out like this, thanks anyway for the feedback. I will be buying it in a couple of days! :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillz Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I see that the simple question about Office and Snow Leo compatibility turns into a holy war between Excel and Numbers fans. :) I have another question - is Adobe CS4 already compatible with Snow Leopard? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alladaskill17 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Ive been running it on Snow Leopard since release of SL and its running as smooth as ever. No issues at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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