How's Office 2008 on Snow Leopard?


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Well duh... You're comparing a corporate product with something made for home use.

Not really. A better comparison would be "you're comparing a product with 24 years (27 years if you count Multiplan) and loads of customer feedback, developers, and funding under its belt to a product that's 2 years old, has a much smaller user base, and isn't a major money-maker for Apple".

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Well duh... You're comparing a corporate product with something made for home use.

Err, if it was a corporate product, it wouldn't be being sold in every version of Office. It's designed for homes as much as it is businesses, so it's a fair comparison.

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Not really. A better comparison would be "you're comparing a product with 24 years (27 years if you count Multiplan) and loads of customer feedback, developers, and funding under its belt to a product that's 2 years old, has a much smaller user base, and isn't a major money-maker for Apple".

That didn't stop Apple from blowing PowerPoint away with Keynote though. Granted Numbers is a few years younger than Keynote.

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That didn't stop Apple from blowing PowerPoint away with Keynote though. Granted Numbers is a few years younger than Keynote.

I've used both and find them about equal. I can produce more or less the same presentations on either software.

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I've used both as well, extensively. Especially the animations and transition effects are much smoother, nicer and offer more options in Keynote. Also I find Keynote to be much more straight forward and easier to use than PowerPoint and has a tighter integration with Mac OS X and iLife. But then again I never really thought much of Microsoft's level of integration between Windows and its popular applications.

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That didn't stop Apple from blowing PowerPoint away with Keynote though. Granted Numbers is a few years younger than Keynote.

Well, Steve Jobs had to have his fancy presentations, and PowerPoint wasn't cutting it. :p

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Numbers is a joke compared to Excel, for one thing.

How so and what type of work are you doing in Excel.

I'll tell you right now when it comes to opening large datasets numbers blows excel so far away it's a joke.

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How so and what type of work are you doing in Excel.

I'll tell you right now when it comes to opening large datasets numbers blows excel so far away it's a joke.

when it comes to complex scripting numbers isn't up to par.

Pivot tables can be simulated with a few hacks but that doesn't help you when world+dog is trading .xls files that simply break when you try and use numbers (likewise: shipping complex numbers spreadsheets to excel doesn't work well either).

counting items with conditions can also be somewhat simulated but it requires orders of magnitude more work than it should.

Number works well for many things, i'd say it's more than adequate for the home user but it's not not an excel replacement. The major hold back is the cross-platform compatibility (it's not as good as pages' word export/import - which isn't stellar either). With pages -> word you end up with slightly uglier documents. With numbers -> excel you end up with a useless file.

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Yeah, after using it some more times :

- Cannot do pivot tables

- Cannot solve a system of linear equations

- Don't have connectors to connect shapes (unless I'm mistaken). Yeah, I missed that tonight.

- Cell styles (yeah, we have table styles on the left, but... you know...)

I'm positive that the 3rd iteration of this app will fill the gap between Numbers and Excel 2007 / 2010, with a few things missing still.

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Err, if it was a corporate product, it wouldn't be being sold in every version of Office. It's designed for homes as much as it is businesses, so it's a fair comparison.

Not it's not, I can go shopping with a Ferrari but that doesn't make it fair to be compared with a minivan, does it?

The point I'm making is that MS Office has a long corporate tradition, and as such offers a lot of advanced functionality. iWork is built with the home user in mind, they're two completely different products.

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Not it's not, I can go shopping with a Ferrari but that doesn't make it fair to be compared with a minivan, does it?

The point I'm making is that MS Office has a long corporate tradition, and as such offers a lot of advanced functionality. iWork is built with the home user in mind, they're two completely different products.

Oh please, I'm getting bored of the analogies around here now. They're both available for home users, so they're competing products that can be compared. It doesn't matter what the history is, it's how they perform today that we're interested in.

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I see that the simple question about Office and Snow Leo compatibility turns into a holy war between Excel and Numbers fans. :) I have another question - is Adobe CS4 already compatible with Snow Leopard?

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I see that the simple question about Office and Snow Leo compatibility turns into a holy war between Excel and Numbers fans. :) I have another question - is Adobe CS4 already compatible with Snow Leopard?

:laugh: I hate both because I hate spreadsheets. I just find Numbers to be the lesser of two evils.

Anyway, yep, CS4 works just fine with Snow Leopard.

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I see that the simple question about Office and Snow Leo compatibility turns into a holy war between Excel and Numbers fans. :) I have another question - is Adobe CS4 already compatible with Snow Leopard?

Yes.

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