It's legal to do this?


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From here.

Any more questions on if it's illegal?

You are mixing EULA and Copyright up.

I'd say, the topic is pretty much dead unless someone who's an actual copyright lawyer can chime in and answer definitively with solid legal references. Until then, we are all just a bunch of asses with opinions. But, IMHO you can break the EULA w/o breaking copyright law.

What makes this particular topic interesting is we are discussing the transfer of soft media that has no physical quantity.

I think in the end: if you sell or transfer your steam account to someone, and if Valve found out, they would invalidate/deactivate all of the software through steam because the EULA has been broken.

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The point still stands that Valve says you cannot sell your account.

So, no, you can't do it.

it is never on if he can or cannot do it, it is more like if he did it, will he spend the next thanksgiving with family or... you know where im going

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People, stop scaring him.

Is it illegal? For the sake of the argument, by law yes, you're breaching a contract. It's also illegal to litter and drive above the speed limit, people still do it. Will you get punished by law? No, you won't... unless maybe if you're a powerseller of Steam accounts on eBay. Can you be punished by Valve? Yes, they can ban your account if they find out. Is there a good chance they'll find out? No, unless you or whoever you're selling it too tells them, or you're stupid enough to put your steam account name on a public web page that you're selling it on.

Moral of the story? Just don't tell Valve.

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People, stop scaring him.

Is it illegal? For the sake of the argument, by law yes, you're breaching a contract. It's also illegal to litter and drive above the speed limit, people still do it. Will you get punished by law? No, you won't... unless maybe if you're a powerseller of Steam accounts on eBay. Can you be punished by Valve? Yes, they can ban your account if they find out. Is there a good chance they'll find out? No, unless you or whoever you're selling it too tells them, or you're stupid enough to put your steam account name on a public web page that you're selling it on.

Moral of the story? Just don't tell Valve.

So, what about if you want to sell each game of your account without selling the account, that's also illegal?

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So, what about if you want to sell each game of your account without selling the account, that's also illegal?

You couldn't do that even if you wanted to, could you? Aren't STEAM games tied to the account?

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You couldn't do that even if you wanted to, could you? Aren't STEAM games tied to the account?

If I am not wrong any game attached to the account can be gifted to a friend, but I am not sure if in the same way you could sell it.

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The point still stands that Valve says you cannot sell your account.

So, no, you can't do it.

Except that's not what the OP asked at all, is it?

He asked whether it was legal.

And saying he can't is also wrong too because he certainly can, it's just a matter of whether he wants to or not. Cannot sort of implies that it's impossible to.

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Breaking a contract is not illegal. There is not a law that says you must follow a contract.

lol try telling that to your mortgage company, or any bank loans you have etc.

Of course breaking a contract is illegal. People get sued for it quite often.

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lol try telling that to your mortgage company, or any bank loans you have etc.

Of course breaking a contract is illegal. People get sued for it quite often.

You can be sued without a court finding you guilty of breaking a law.

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It's pretty ridiculous that applications and games are being regarded as more of a "service" these days (as in you can't sell a lot of them on). In the good old days it was all just on physical media and there was no problem if you wanted to sell YOUR property.
it never was your property, the media was just a license to use it
And the media (A.K.A. license) can be sold, and thus transferred to someone else.
no... you have to agree to the End-User License Agreement (EULA) when you install (fast-forward to click "Yes")
Then how do so many game stores get away with the trade-ins on older games if it violates the sacred EULA?
They don't they only accept console games. I've not seen a store that trades in PC games.

Wrong.... gamestop will trade in PC games... as an example.

Anyway the point I'm trying to make is that when I buy I product - I should also have the right to sell it on afterwards, regardless of whether it's a physical manifestation or not. I don't go out and pay ?500 on an iphone (for example) and think to myself that I've got myself that product until I go and buy a new one and then dispose of it in a draw or otherwise. I'd expect to be able to sell that in a years time and get a return (if it's in good enough condition) before I buy the next new model. Why should it be any different with software?

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From here.

Any more questions on if it's illegal?

That just says you can't transfer, which is the EULA, so not illegal just that your account would be shutdown if they found out. In a way it's unfair, I don't see why it should be any different than if you bought the boxed product(s), you've still bought them. Unless I'm missing something, quite possibly.

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That just says you can't transfer, which is the EULA, so not illegal just that your account would be shutdown if they found out. In a way it's unfair, I don't see why it should be any different than if you bought the boxed product(s), you've still bought them. Unless I'm missing something, quite possibly.

I believe if you buy, say, Half-Life 2 in the box you would run into the same problem. As Half-Life 2 "activates" itself through Steam which makes it essentially the same as buying it through Steam.

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Wrong.... gamestop will trade in PC games... as an example.

Anyway the point I'm trying to make is that when I buy I product - I should also have the right to sell it on afterwards, regardless of whether it's a physical manifestation or not. I don't go out and pay ?500 on an iphone (for example) and think to myself that I've got myself that product until I go and buy a new one and then dispose of it in a draw or otherwise. I'd expect to be able to sell that in a years time and get a return (if it's in good enough condition) before I buy the next new model. Why should it be any different with software?

I've never seen GameStop trade or sell used PC games, only a small section of new ones.

The difference between software and something like an iPhone is that the software is technically intangible and it's licensed, not sold. Your only legal remedy if software doesn't work properly is generally a replacement copy of the media. Also, I don't believe Apple or its carriers have a legal requirement to activate the iPhone for someone if it's used.

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