-KJ Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 @ jasondefaoite & Draken So which one is it? /too lazy to check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draken Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Looking at the link in MajorNelson's post, this will cover both HDD and Memory modules. wrong! the link is for "Xbox 360 Memory Unit 512MB" there are HDD's because Amazon always displays "Frequently Bought Together" and "Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought" lists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenser.d Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Because it's entertaining to see people like you get all ****ed off when you could have a) bought the official product or b) spent the money you dished into your 360 on an awesome video card and a 360 controller for your PC. Additionally, if the 17 million people supposedly subscribed to Live want to cheat, more power to them. People who cheat in console games only risk detracting from their own experience by lessening the challenge of the game, and it's really nobody's business if they choose to do so. Or are you saying they'll care because somehow they are all using non-MS-approved hard drives to cheat, and now they won't be able to? Nope, can't say I care about that, either. You're not makin any sense. Not that I expected you would. -Spenser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasondefaoite Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 (edited) wrong! the link is for "Xbox 360 Memory Unit 512MB" there are HDD's because Amazon always displays "Frequently Bought Together" and "Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought" lists Actually, I'm correct. I wasn't referring to the link in the post to Amazon. I was referring to this.. If you need help identifying officially licensed Xbox 360 storage devices This will cover BOTH the HDD and Memory Cards... Edited October 17, 2009 by jasondefaoite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrian Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 You're not makin any sense. Not that I expected you would.-Spenser I'm making plenty of sense, you just apparently aren't literate. I made a statement "who cares" regarding people somehow using an unauthorized hard drives to cheat. You seemed upset about that statement, claiming that you and the 17 million Live subscribers care. That implies that everybody is using their (non-licensed) hard drive to somehow cheat and are going to be upset by this update. Nobody should care if anybody is doing so, but they also shouldn't be crying if MS chooses to stop it. There are easier ways to cheat than some obscure hard drive hack. Chances are that 99% of 360 users are using "officially licensed" hard drives, though. The average Joe doesn't even know how to install a hard drive, let alone is aware they have the option of using an unauthorized drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenser.d Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 I'm making plenty of sense, you just apparently aren't literate.I made a statement "who cares" regarding people somehow using an unauthorized hard drives to cheat. You seemed upset about that statement, claiming that you and the 17 million Live subscribers care. That implies that everybody is using their (non-licensed) hard drive to somehow cheat and are going to be upset by this update. Nobody should care if anybody is doing so, but they also shouldn't be crying if MS chooses to stop it. There are easier ways to cheat than some obscure hard drive hack. Chances are that 99% of 360 users are using "officially licensed" hard drives, though. The average Joe doesn't even know how to install a hard drive, let alone is aware they have the option of using an unauthorized drive. :blink: You're more clueless than I thought. When I stated that most of the 17 million care, I was saying that they care if people are cheating. Not to mention that in my very first post in this thread I already made the point that most people wouldn't attempt using an unofficial drive. Good work. -Spenser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo003 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 I new I read about the HDD price some where so I first looked at kotaku and low & behold I did. This is back in April 2007 which I find it BS. If you compare what we are offering with a real plug-and-play drive the closest thing would be to take a 120 gig self-powered external PC drive and in that case we are seeing those retail at anywhere from $160 to $200 for comparable laptop sized external hard drives. I know it sounds expensive to a lot of consumers but we are comparable to those types of drives and also we have to go through a lot more testing and security. Kotaku.com Hands up who's bought a new HDD for their 360. Anyone? Anyone? No, didn't think so. $180 for a 120GB hard drive isn't pricey, it's taking the ****. So just why, exactly, do they cost so much money? MTV's Patrick Klepek contacted tech analysts iSuppli (who you may know from their console breakdowns) to find out.As you can probably surmise, they found much of the cost is taken up by the needless packaging and design required by Microsoft in order to ensure the drive works only in your 360 console. Some the biggest contributors to its inflated price (ie prices beyond the HDD itself) include: - The HDD ships not only with pre-installed software (demos and/or XBLA games), but part of the console's OS itself. This = increased costs. - The HDD must be coloured and shaped to fit inside the specially-designed housing that ensures only your 360 can use the unit. That's more extra expenditure. This is done by a "Value Added Reseller", who also take care of the HDD's retail packaging. - Microsoft have at this point paid an estimated $100 (iSuppli can only go estimates, though as specialists in this stuff their numbers won't be far off), and then split the remaining $80 profit with retailers and distributors (a 120GB HDD retails for $180). Now you know why they're overpriced, feel free to keep on avoiding them. Kotaku.com So after 3 years we're still paying the same price, sounds a little bit odd don't you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrian Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 :blink:You're more clueless than I thought. When I stated that most of the 17 million care, I was saying that they care if people are cheating. Not to mention that in my very first post in this thread I already made the point that most people wouldn't attempt using an unofficial drive. Good work. -Spenser First off, I'm not sure how a hard drive allows you to cheat, the idea seems ludicrous. Second, I responded to what you stated, not what you apparently meant. All of this could have been easily inferred where it wasn't flat out stated in my previous posts. Next time be clear instead of just being a douche. Additionally, if a small percentage of people are somehow using their hard drive to cheat then you should be more than happy about this update, so wtf is your issue? @Jme621: I haven't bought a new video card since well before the 360 even hit the market, and I still run all the games on that system that I feel are worth playing on my PC at 1080P just fine. The only drawback is that some games take a little longer to be ported, but generally it's worth the wait so long as you have a modicum of patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasondefaoite Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Neo003, gotta love all that extra "testing" they do for the hdd. Now if only they did the same level of testing for the console itself!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miuku. Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Surely this is not possible, only evil Apple does things like this - constrict the customer and force them to buy 'branded overpriced' gear. *chuckle* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argi Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 You're joking right? First of all, since when is the Xbox a monopoly?And there are other purposes... like preventing cheating. Monopoly is the wrong word - closed platform is more accurate. I agree with you most of the time Brandon but there's no way you can justify the price Microsoft charge for their Xbox HDDs. I really want to replace my Xbox's 20GB storage with something more expansive so I can install all my games on it but hell is going to have to freeze over before I pay what Microsoft is asking, particularly in the Australian market where the dollar is, as of this post, AUD$1 = USD$0.92220 but Microsoft's exchange rate is ~$0.74 [1][2]. (For comparison I can also buy a 1.5TB HDD for AUD$159) Preventing cheating is important, but it's not done by gouging consumers on accessories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 All this means is that people with modified harddisks will have to set them up again once this new protection is circumvented and it will get circumvented. Just silly for Microsoft to even try as its been shown again and again that they can't stop people from modding their XBOX's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted October 17, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted October 17, 2009 I thought every hard drive was signed with the same code, surely they can't tell? Xbox 360 accessories are so overpriced it's not funny, hey you're a business we get a mark up is needed but not of the figure it currently is. It's a laugh a 120GB hard drive RRPs at $150, pretty much half the price of a console. They better go with an open hard drive policy next generation, all that's going to happen if they don't is modders look to circumvent and provide us with a reasonable way to upgrade our hard drives. Give people less reasons to need to hack your system and chances are it will remain unhacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 That's kinda funny, the amount of people I've seen complain and whine about the HDD price, taken matters into their own hands and bought one of those 120gb upgrades is through the roof. Honestly I can see why it would be annoying but everyone knew it was against Microsoft's 'Terms of Use' for the 360, thus you can do nothing but bend over and smile. Then again, it's probably a very small percentage that's going to get hit, just like when they suspend for piracy only a small percentage is actually banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remysaus Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 I was planning to do this for a while, just needed some money for a HDD, guess the plan's off now :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phemo Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 I originally thought this would apply to modded hard drives as well, but on reading the text more closely, I'm not so sure: one of the changes is that unauthorized Memory Units will no longer work with the Xbox 360. If you’ve moved your profile or saved games onto one to “back it up,” you’d better move it back onto an authorized Xbox 360 storage device He has made a clear distinction that memory units and storage devices are classed as two different things. I'm pretty confident this only applies to 3rd party memory cards and not modified hard drives. If the plan was to prevent all unauthorised devices from working then surely he would've said "unauthorised storage devices" first off instead of memory units. Oh, and that also means that the thread subject is wrong. Again, Major Nelson is saying that unauthorised memory units will no longer work, not unauthorised storage devices :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 I originally thought this would apply to modded hard drives as well, but on reading the text more closely, I'm not so sure:He has made a clear distinction that memory units and storage devices are classed as two different things. I'm pretty confident this only applies to 3rd party memory cards and not modified hard drives. Yeah, you're probably right - Only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+InsaneNutter MVC Posted October 17, 2009 MVC Share Posted October 17, 2009 I originally thought this would apply to modded hard drives as well, but on reading the text more closely, I'm not so sure:He has made a clear distinction that memory units and storage devices are classed as two different things. I'm pretty confident this only applies to 3rd party memory cards and not modified hard drives. If the plan was to prevent all unauthorised devices from working then surely he would've said "unauthorised storage devices" first off instead of memory units. Oh, and that also means that the thread subject is wrong. Again, Major Nelson is saying that unauthorised memory units will no longer work, not unauthorised storage devices :) I hope that?s correct, I?ve still got my original 20gig hard drive. I was hoping to be able to hack a nice 250gig drive s;)n ;) I guess we will find out next week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warboy Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 I originally thought this would apply to modded hard drives as well, but on reading the text more closely, I'm not so sure:He has made a clear distinction that memory units and storage devices are classed as two different things. I'm pretty confident this only applies to 3rd party memory cards and not modified hard drives. If the plan was to prevent all unauthorised devices from working then surely he would've said "unauthorised storage devices" first off instead of memory units. Oh, and that also means that the thread subject is wrong. Again, Major Nelson is saying that unauthorised memory units will no longer work, not unauthorised storage devices :) I said this earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbandonedTrolley Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 That's kinda funny, the amount of people I've seen complain and whine about the HDD price, taken matters into their own hands and bought one of those 120gb upgrades is through the roof. Honestly I can see why it would be annoying but everyone knew it was against Microsoft's 'Terms of Use' for the 360, thus you can do nothing but bend over and smile. Then again, it's probably a very small percentage that's going to get hit, just like when they suspend for piracy only a small percentage is actually banned. +1 This (Y) You bought the machine, you knew the prices of peripherals, suck it up :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted October 17, 2009 Global Moderator Share Posted October 17, 2009 Everyone who moans about the price of console accessories are forgetting the simple fact that the retailers make most of the profit off of those and games, and very little from the actual consoles themselves. Accessories have ALWAYS been marked up to some stupid level, it's been the case for years and it's not going to change next generation. The only thing you can hope for is a bigger HDD in the future for $150 that would make more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subject Delta Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 You're joking right? First of all, since when is the Xbox a monopoly?And there are other purposes... like preventing cheating. Yeah, because we all believe that line after hearing it from Microsoft umpteen times. Its a simple case of corporate greed here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Hammond Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Everyone who moans about the price of console accessories are forgetting the simple fact that the retailers make most of the profit off of those and games, and very little from the actual consoles themselves. Accessories have ALWAYS been marked up to some stupid level, it's been the case for years and it's not going to change next generation.The only thing you can hope for is a bigger HDD in the future for $150 that would make more sense. Ridiculous excuse, if Sony can do it Microsoft can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusuf M. Veteran Posted October 17, 2009 Veteran Share Posted October 17, 2009 Ridiculous excuse, if Sony can do it Microsoft can. It isn't ridiculous at all. In fact, it makes perfect sense. Sony's business model is different than Microsoft's business model. Sony supports the use of third-party hard drives which is why they don't sell any separately. I mean, why would they? If someone wants a bigger hard drive for their PS3, they'll buy one and replace the one it came with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acnpt Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 I think microsoft should look the other way on this. As long as there isn't any piracy or cheating from this, which I don't think there is as the hard drive appears to be the same as an offical 120GB. My view is that the majority of those that do this hack, wouldn't have bought an offical add-on anyway, and this hack probably increases people's spending on live arcade/dlc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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