Spookie Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Lesson learned: If you pirate games, play them when the game hits the store, not before. Or if you really want to mess with your heads, you could set your console date back to 2005 then connect to live after release. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unrealistic Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 (edited) I think that's the wrong quote, but I may have just found where they covered their asses. I was just bringing up a point anyway. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/legal/LiveTOU.htm 12. Intellectual Property.If you receive from us software or content (e.g., text, images, video, graphics, music, sound , games) associated with the Service (for purposes of this Section 1 2, we refer to all of these, as applicable, as “software”), your use of that software is under the terms of the license (including any statement of specific authorized uses or restrictions, such as the Special Video Content described in Section 1 3 below) presented to you for acceptance with that software. If there is no license presented to you, or unless otherwise stated in this contract, then we grant you a limited, personal, non-exclusive, revocable license to use the software only for and during the authorized use of this Service and/or the game or other product to which the software relates. You may not copy, download, modify or create derivative works, publish, transmit, sell or attempt to sell or transfer, or otherwise use or exploit any software unless we or our suppliers have expressly allowed you to do so. Copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties protect the software and all other aspects of the Service. We ,or our suppliers ,own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the software and Service, and the software and Service are solely licensed and not sold. We and our suppliers reserve all other rights to the software and Service that are not expressly granted in this contract. You do not have ownership rights to any software made available or accessible on or in relation to the Service, or any other aspect of the Service (except you may own your own submissions), regardless of how the software and Service are used, accessed, downloaded, or otherwise made available to you. ... Unless we notify you otherwise, your license to use the software will end on the date your Service ends, and you must promptly uninstall and delete the software. We may disable the software after the date the Service terminates. ... Microsoft reserves complete and sole discretion with respect to the operation of the Service. Microsoft may, among other things: (a) restrict or limit access to the Service; (b) retrieve information from the original Xbox, Xbox 360 console, personal computer, and any connected peripheral device used to log onto the Service as necessary to operate and protect the security of the Service, and to enforce this contract; and © upgrade, modify, withdraw, suspend, or discontinue any functionality or feature of the Service, any game or other content available or accessible through the Service, or any hardware or software associated with the Service or with an original Xbox or Xbox 360 console, or personal computer, from time to time without notice, which may involve the automatic download of related software directly to your original Xbox, Xbox 360 console, or personal computer, including software that prevents you from accessing the Service, playing pirated games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices. Boom, headshot? Edited October 19, 2009 by Unrealistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhapimp Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Lesson learned: If you pirate games, play them when the game hits the store, not before.Unless you don't care about the Gamerscore, which in that case, play away whenever you want. or you just don't play online, that's how of thousands of smart pirater's do(i have a friend with 20 pirated games on his computer ad he just doesn't play online) lol didn't notice your second part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted October 19, 2009 Global Moderator Share Posted October 19, 2009 I think that's the wrong quote, but I may have just found where they covered their asses. I was just bringing up a point anyway.http://www.xbox.com/en-US/legal/LiveTOU.htm Boom, headshot? I find it funny that you even thought for a second that MS didn't "cover their asses" in the EULA over this stuff. Sure they know 98% of people don't even read them, hell I don't, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dotdot Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Tbh its **** simple, you pirate games you pay the price. No such thing in this life as a free lunch. However I would imagine that if you did pirate games common sense would tell you going online with it is gonna give the game away in which case your literally dangling it out there waiting for it to be bitten off. In all fairness I dont see why we cant have some sort of serial number system like many PC games do to keep there online experience safer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Anarkii Subscriber² Posted October 19, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted October 19, 2009 LOL @ people getting banned. Thats funnny for you people paying for live account and cant use the service no more lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g~man Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 LOL @ people getting banned. Thats funnny for you people paying for live account and cant use the service no more lol. what i wanna know is... if you have your profile on a memory card and take it to a friends house, who has a pirate copy of forza 3 (but u didnt know of course) and play it using your profile, are u going to get banned too? if so then thats a low blow this move is going to scare off a lot of gamers from pirating.. the reason why a lot of gamers have stuck with xbox through all the red rings and console bannings imo is simply due to their online profile, their gamerpoints and friendlists, if it wasnt for this, a lot more people would have jumped ship to ps3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Gil Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 what i wanna know is... if you have your profile on a memory card and take it to a friends house, who has a pirate copy of forza 3 (but u didnt know of course) and play it using your profile, are u going to get banned too? if so then thats a low blow Oh, so you think it's OK to play a pirated game as long as it's not yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad. Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 LOL @ people getting banned. Thats funnny for you people paying for live account and cant use the service no more lol. They could easily say that you're paying for games and they're getting them for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g~man Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Oh, so you think it's OK to play a pirated game as long as it's not yours? whats with the assumptions? i dont even have a memory card chump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Gil Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 whats with the assumptions? i dont even have a memory card chump. Chump? Who do you think you are to talk like that?. Anyway, no assumptions made at all. You said it yourself it would be "a low blow" if someone would be banned by playing someone else's pirated game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzdawg Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 what i wanna know is... if you have your profile on a memory card and take it to a friends house, who has a pirate copy of forza 3 (but u didnt know of course) and play it using your profile, are u going to get banned too? if so then thats a low blowthis move is going to scare off a lot of gamers from pirating.. the reason why a lot of gamers have stuck with xbox through all the red rings and console bannings imo is simply due to their online profile, their gamerpoints and friendlists, if it wasnt for this, a lot more people would have jumped ship to ps3 he did say in his hypothetical story that he wouldnt know about the mod... it does seem odd that this ban wave comes out when one of their biggest releases of the year is about to hit stores... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted October 19, 2009 Global Moderator Share Posted October 19, 2009 I think it's quite clear why they're banning just accounts and not the whole system this time. I figure with leaked copies floating around and some of the smaller retailers maybe breaking the street date, people could end up with what they think is a fully legal copy yet not be. That's how I think they're looking at it. When they ban systems they're doing so because it's a sure thing that if you're system is modded you're pirating. There's no question of, "oh i got this from the store early so I thought it was legit?" and so on. They'll go back to banning systems for general modding if they can/feel like it later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted October 19, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted October 19, 2009 I think it's quite clear why they're banning just accounts and not the whole system this time. I figure with leaked copies floating around and some of the smaller retailers maybe breaking the street date, people could end up with what they think is a fully legal copy yet not be.That's how I think they're looking at it. When they ban systems they're doing so because it's a sure thing that if you're system is modded you're pirating. There's no question of, "oh i got this from the store early so I thought it was legit?" and so on. They'll go back to banning systems for general modding if they can/feel like it later on. Say what? Not a fully legal copy? An unmodded system can only play a legit copy. If you're talking about a mom and pop store full of ninjas that have stolen 100 copies off a Lorry it makes no difference, the discs aren't individually tagged and are still legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbabyte Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Wow.. i'm shocked at how many people in this thread don't have a sweet clue wtf they are talking about..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draken Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Chump? Who do you think you are to talk like that?.Anyway, no assumptions made at all. You said it yourself it would be "a low blow" if someone would be banned by playing someone else's pirated game. :laugh: I LOL everytime ppl uses the "a friend of mine" excuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted October 19, 2009 Author Share Posted October 19, 2009 :laugh: I LOL everytime ppl uses the "a friend of mine" excuse A friend of mine tend to agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobeck Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 what i wanna know is... if you have your profile on a memory card and take it to a friends house, who has a pirate copy of forza 3 (but u didnt know of course) and play it using your profile, are u going to get banned too? if so then thats a low blow i ripped this from another forum so if the guy is telling the truth then yes it's possible... Me and 5 other of my friends' accounts got banned from XBL for playing NTSC version of Forza 3 early. Couple of my friends don't even have modded xboxes, only played on their accounts at other peoples houses (I know, stupid idea). Personally, I don't care that much. It's the risk I took, and now have to pay the consequences. I just wish I hadn't renewed my XBL subscription for a year just a few weeks ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted October 19, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted October 19, 2009 ^ Well obviously it logs illegitimate play through the account and/or the Xbox. Pretty damn obvious it doesn't matter if it's on your Xbox, if your account is the one connected to Live when playing the copy you'll get banned. It also goes to put more legitimacy on the thoughts that the leaked NTSC copy is indeed a review build - MS are plucking accounts apart easily. There has to be a variable that is a differential between the leaked NTSC copy and a retail copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobeck Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 true but it really is a confusing mess to sort out with alot of folks not having been banned under the same scenario that got others banned...like i said earlier tho it is amusing to watch and knock on wood noone i know personally has been smacked by the banhammer yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted October 19, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted October 19, 2009 true but it really is a confusing mess to sort out with alot of folks not having been banned under the same scenario that got others banned...like i said earlier tho it is amusing to watch and knock on wood noone i know personally has been smacked by the banhammer yet... Not really you're liable for your own account, and I think it's pretty damn obvious if you're mate is playing a copy in his/her machine :laugh: Not confusing for MS either, your account logs illegal play, they ban you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorwing Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 They should just ban everyone who plays early games. It's kind of like a timer, once XBL hits 12am (whatever time) it allows everyone to play on live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted October 20, 2009 Global Moderator Share Posted October 20, 2009 Say what?Not a fully legal copy? An unmodded system can only play a legit copy. If you're talking about a mom and pop store full of ninjas that have stolen 100 copies off a Lorry it makes no difference, the discs aren't individually tagged and are still legit. It's clear you didn't get what I was trying to say, it should've been simple yet I guess I didn't word it right and you got thrown off as always. If a game is somehow leaked and or sold BEFORE it's official release date, in the end it's NOT A LEGAL COPY. Sure the code on the disc is and sure a unmomed 360 will play it, but legally, technically and in MS's eyes IT'S NOT LEGAL. Does this make sense to you now? I hope so. That's what I meant form not a fully legal copy? You copy? This is why MS is going around banning accounts, which are simple enough to get unbanned and in the meantime you can STILL PLAY OFFLINE! If you somehow thought you got it legit off of some store but didn't know what the street date was, or through some other means early and so on, if you can prove that you're not flat out pirating it, i.e. modded console, they'll unban your account. They make this clear enough by bringing up the part about showing proof of where you got it if it's a simple case of a broken street date and so on. This is the clear difference between banning accounts or a whole system that's been modded for the sole purpose of pirating games regardless. Did this make it clear now? I'd hate to go around in circles with you yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g~man Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 i ripped this from another forum so if the guy is telling the truth then yes it's possible...Me and 5 other of my friends' accounts got banned from XBL for playing NTSC version of Forza 3 early. Couple of my friends don't even have modded xboxes, only played on their accounts at other peoples houses (I know, stupid idea). Personally, I don't care that much. It's the risk I took, and now have to pay the consequences. I just wish I hadn't renewed my XBL subscription for a year just a few weeks ago... thats too harsh imo, especially if u a gamerscore ###### lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad. Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 thats too harsh imo, especially if u a gamerscore ###### lol It's not harsh, the original poster said he knew it was a stupid idea anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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