+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted October 20, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted October 20, 2009 (edited) It's clear you didn't get what I was trying to say, it should've been simple yet I guess I didn't word it right and you got thrown off as always.If a game is somehow leaked and or sold BEFORE it's official release date, in the end it's NOT A LEGAL COPY. Sure the code on the disc is and sure a unmomed 360 will play it, but legally, technically and in MS's eyes IT'S NOT LEGAL. Does this make sense to you now? I hope so. That's what I meant form not a fully legal copy? You copy? This is why MS is going around banning accounts, which are simple enough to get unbanned and in the meantime you can STILL PLAY OFFLINE! If you somehow thought you got it legit off of some store but didn't know what the street date was, or through some other means early and so on, if you can prove that you're not flat out pirating it, i.e. modded console, they'll unban your account. They make this clear enough by bringing up the part about showing proof of where you got it if it's a simple case of a broken street date and so on. This is the clear difference between banning accounts or a whole system that's been modded for the sole purpose of pirating games regardless. Did this make it clear now? I'd hate to go around in circles with you yet again. God you love talking out your ass. MS have already said if you buy the game early and it's legit you won't be banned. Of course a copy is legal if it's sold early, all that's happened is the store has broke a law in breaking the street date. Your copy isn't temporarily illegal for a week, then it becomes magically legal :laugh: Don't worry folks, anyone who bought a copy early is ok. In general, if you got a receipt, play away. These are illegit copies we're hitting http://twitter.com/Stepto/status/4929023990 Edited October 20, 2009 by Audioboxer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted October 20, 2009 Global Moderator Share Posted October 20, 2009 God you love talking out your ass.MS have already said if you buy the game early and it's legit you won't be banned. Of course a copy is legal if it's sold early, all that's happened is the store has broke a law in breaking the street date. Your copy isn't temporarily illegal for a week, then it becomes magically legal :laugh: http://twitter.com/Stepto/status/4929023990 When are leaked copies sold legal? You're yet again missing my point yet say I love to talk out of my ass? It's funny how you keep missing what I'm trying to say. If you bought it early off of a store and have a recipt sure you're fine, because if you do get banned off of some fluke you can prove otherwise. Yet leaked copies out there can be sold as well, and if you did buy it or borrowed it or w/e, and didn't know at least you can prove you're not at fault, or didn't know the copy you had was one of the illegit ones. This is why they target/ban accounts and not the whole system this time around. Banning the whole system is done when they know for a fact you modded it just so you can pirate every 360 game. That's my point. I hope you get it this time and don't just post back with some smartass remark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad. Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 When are leaked copies sold legal? You're yet again missing my point yet say I love to talk out of my ass? It's funny how you keep missing what I'm trying to say. If you bought it early off of a store and have a recipt sure you're fine, because if you do get banned off of some fluke you can prove otherwise. Yet leaked copies out there can be sold as well, and if you did buy it or borrowed it or w/e, and didn't know at least you can prove you're not at fault, or didn't know the copy you had was one of the illegit ones. This is why they target/ban accounts and not the whole system this time around. Banning the whole system is done when they know for a fact you modded it just so you can pirate every 360 game. That's my point. I hope you get it this time and don't just post back with some smartass remark. I really can't see what you're getting at. If a store breaks a street date then the game is still legitamate. Leaked copies can be sold, yes, but it takes a modified DVD drive to play it. Okay, read through your post three times, I see your point. But why ban EVERY person who plays it early and wait for proof of purchae from them? That's silly. Here in the UK Argos made a mistake with their dates and a crap load of Halo 3 games were sold early. Banning every one of those players and awaiting for those players to prove their purchase would have taken weeks. I'm still certain that the way it's handled with Microsoft at the moment is the best way possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted October 20, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted October 20, 2009 When are leaked copies sold legal? You're yet again missing my point yet say I love to talk out of my ass? It's funny how you keep missing what I'm trying to say. If you bought it early off of a store and have a recipt sure you're fine, because if you do get banned off of some fluke you can prove otherwise. Yet leaked copies out there can be sold as well, and if you did buy it or borrowed it or w/e, and didn't know at least you can prove you're not at fault, or didn't know the copy you had was one of the illegit ones. This is why they target/ban accounts and not the whole system this time around. Banning the whole system is done when they know for a fact you modded it just so you can pirate every 360 game. That's my point. I hope you get it this time and don't just post back with some smartass remark. Dude just stop digging your own grave. The term leaked just refers to the game coming out early, it's not a term only associated with piracy. A store can leak the game if it breaks street date. Any physical copy that comes in retail packaging won't get you banned, doesn't matter if its bought from a store early, stolen from an Aeroplane, borrowed from the Pope, it's legit and won't get you banned. Discs aren't individually ID tagged, everyone of them is the same as the master gold copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted October 20, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted October 20, 2009 I really can't see what you're getting at. If a store breaks a street date then the game is still legitamate. Leaked copies can be sold, yes, but it takes a modified DVD drive to play it. Okay, read through your post three times, I see your point. But why ban EVERY person who plays it early and wait for proof of purchae from them? That's silly. Here in the UK Argos made a mistake with their dates and a crap load of Halo 3 games were sold early. Banning every one of those players and awaiting for those players to prove their purchase would have taken weeks. I'm still certain that the way it's handled with Microsoft at the moment is the best way possible. Brad, MS don't ban anyone who plays a legit copy early, period. GP007 is making a complete mess of his argument by failing to understand MS don't ban for leaked games, they ban for copied games - Copied games can only be played on modded systems. As for why they're banning Gamertags now, probably due to the reason on the last page. You can go around your mates log in with your Gamertag and play on his/her modded console when connected to Live, it gets banned but you can carry on using your Gamertag on your own console at home with your Forza 3 achievements in tact. They just want to ban absolutely everyone tied to an illegal copy, you can only do that by banning Gamertags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draken Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 all that chit-chat takes me back to the same point, if you play a "correctly cloned" copy they may not get you doing it, but if it's an early leak its almost sure .... so again (like last year) they are leaking games on purpose, that in time means that is becoming harder and harder to detect "correctly cloned" retail copies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted October 20, 2009 Global Moderator Share Posted October 20, 2009 (edited) Dude just stop digging your own grave. The term leaked just refers to the game coming out early, it's not a term only associated with piracy. A store can leak the game if it breaks street date.Any physical copy that comes in retail packaging won't get you banned, doesn't matter if its bought from a store early, stolen from an Aeroplane, borrowed from the Pope, it's legit and won't get you banned. Discs aren't individually ID tagged, everyone of them is the same as the master gold copy. Why are you nitpicking my use of the word "leaked". I'm giving an example as to why I think they're just banning accounts and not the whole system this time around. Those illegit copies that came out early have "leaked" haven't they? How else can you call it? Anyways, you say all the copies are the same, though that's not the case, NA versions and EU/PAL versions are different, there's never just one version anymore. Also they have early hand outs for reviews, those I'm sure are also marked different, assuming the "leaked" copies out are all the same as the retail ones is jumping the gun. And while each individual disc may not be tagged, regional versions differ enough in most cases. The leaked version out could even be an older build of the game for all we know. Edited October 20, 2009 by GP007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted October 20, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted October 20, 2009 Why are you nitpicking my use of the word "leaked". I'm giving an example as to why I think they're just banning accounts and not the whole system this time around. Those illegit copies that came out early have "leaked" haven't they? How else can you call it? Anyways, you say all the copies are the same, though that's not the case, NA versions and EU/PAL versions are different, there's never just one version anymore. Also they have early hand outs for reviews, those I'm sure are also marked different, assuming the "leaked" copies out are all the same as the retail ones is jumping the gun. And while each individual disc may not be tagged, regional versions differ enough in most cases. The leaked version out could even be an older build of the game for all we know. I will explain it once more to you in children format Won't get you banned - Any legitimate, boxed, real disc based retail copy regardless of how/when/where it's purchased. Region doesn't matter, legitimate copies only work on the relevant region coded 360. Could get you banned - An ISO downloaded off the internet that's burned to a disc and played in a modded 360. It's as simple as that, stop trying to over complex it with your word mincing of what "leaked" means. MS do not ban people playing legitimate discs end of, the only way you can get banned is by playing a downloaded copy in a modded system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbabyte Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 downloading an iso off the internet COULD get you banned if you are a complete moron. If you're not retarded a modded console is just as safe as a non modded console. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoredBozirini Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Audioboxer, you can play ISO's downloaded online safely if you're careful. I know a lot of people that have only bought maybe 2 or 3 games total, they download all the games they're interested (be it leaked a lot earlier or after the game is officially released), and if they downloaded it earlier than release date, they play it with the X360 disconnected from the internet. If they download it after or on the release date, they can play safely on Xbox Live. And they download a LOT of games too. Out of their 100 games showing in their Xbox Live profile, they downloaded around 92-96. Are they banned? No, they keep enjoying the fruits of free gaming. Will they get banned? Probably not, because they are careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Lyons10 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I know I'm going to get crap for saying this, but I say good. If you are pirating software you deserve what you get. And I really don't want to hear that games are too expensive. 1), they'd be cheaper if there was less piracy, and 2), if you can't afford it, I guess you just don't get it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted October 20, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted October 20, 2009 Audioboxer, you can play ISO's downloaded online safely if you're careful. I know a lot of people that have only bought maybe 2 or 3 games total, they download all the games they're interested (be it leaked a lot earlier or after the game is officially released), and if they downloaded it earlier than release date, they play it with the X360 disconnected from the internet. If they download it after or on the release date, they can play safely on Xbox Live. And they download a LOT of games too. Out of their 100 games showing in their Xbox Live profile, they downloaded around 92-96.Are they banned? No, they keep enjoying the fruits of free gaming. Will they get banned? Probably not, because they are careful. Uhhh that's why I said could. There's a few variables involved in getting banned from what those in the know believe, bad rips/review builds being the main contenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acnpt Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I know I'm going to get crap for saying this, but I say good. If you are pirating software you deserve what you get. +1 If you play the game, you gotta be prepared to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookie Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 1), they'd be cheaper if there was less piracy Unless you're Activison in which case you put up the price of the game because they know you'll pay it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbabyte Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 I know I'm going to get crap for saying this, but I say good. If you are pirating software you deserve what you get.And I really don't want to hear that games are too expensive. 1), they'd be cheaper if there was less piracy, and 2), if you can't afford it, I guess you just don't get it... oh give me a break, do you honestly think that games would be cheaper if people pirated less? That's complete backwards logic. I remember when music CD's would cost $22.99 or higher, you were lucky to get a sale on a brand new CD for 19.99. The digital age came about, people started pirating cd's and the record industry eventually ended up dropping prices to try to gain sales back, but unfortunately for them it was too little too late. Big companies do NOT care about the little guy and how much you have to pay for a game. If anything, they would most likely raise the price if you weren't able to pirate it, because they would make more money. You're blind if you really can't see how greedy these big companies are. I have been and will continue to pirate anything i can, and if I find that a game/cd/software is REALLY worth it, then i will purchase it and support the product, but there are too many companies in EVERY industry that are just quick to ship out the next big clone of what was hot last month that they often overlook quality, and i'll be damned if i'm paying $70 for an xbox game that sucks balls, or $15 for a music album with 1 good song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Star Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 You know what would be funny? If MS is putting the review code and the unsigned code versions on the internet themselves to catch all the idiots out there trying to get the game before it is released. :D They can be doing this right now for all we know. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qumahlin Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 (edited) Did you just speak out of your ass?I think you did. You know what, I typed up a long reply about how you clearly don't know what your talking about, but i'm pretty sure it was going to get modded. Bottom line is if your still under the impression that you can't play and pirate an XBLA game you aren't one of the people "in the know" as you like to put it. There is more than one way around the "trial mode" restriction, its only good for banned consoles since using it on unbanned console will get you banned quite quick. I'll leave it at that Happy gaming. Edited October 21, 2009 by Qumahlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g~man Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 And they download a LOT of games too. Out of their 100 games showing in their Xbox Live profile, they downloaded around 92-96.Are they banned? No, they keep enjoying the fruits of free gaming. Will they get banned? Probably not, because they are careful. 100 games? imagine how many of them games were crap/average im sorry but i think your friends are a bunch of losers... talk about wasting time You know what would be funny? If MS is putting the review code and the unsigned code versions on the internet themselves to catch all the idiots out there trying to get the game before it is released. :DThey can be doing this right now for all we know. :laugh: this is what im thinking too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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