General Public: Windows 7 sucks!


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I've had many people in the electronics store that I work in (as in, the staff) say that Windows 7 isn't that great and they've heard nothing but bad things about it... and I asked them what they've heard about it, and it's all hearsay. It does make me genuinely nervous as it shows Microsoft has an extremely steep hill educating customers about the great advantages Windows 7 has to offer.

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That's what Mojave demonstrated: most people who bashes Vista did not use it themselves.

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+1 For that. I've been using Vista since it's release. Yeah, there are some things that I wish Microsoft would have done differently, but overall, I loved it! I prefer Vista over XP any day of the week.

When ever I came across some one who said "Vista Sucks" or other shenanigans along those lines, I'd ask, "Why's that?". Either I wouldn't get an answer, or it would be some of the most generic crap I've ever heard.

Windows 7 is greatness. I love it more then Vista. I can't wait to get my upgrade disc from Dell. Then all I have to do is come up with some spare cash to buy an additional copy for my desktop.

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And now that I think about it. It's always the same crap when MS releases a new OS. Same thing when XP was released, I remember everyone hated it.

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Change takes time. Some people don't feel they have the time, thus sticking what they are most relaxed with.

Changes like the superbar may intimidate the average user, because when it comes to computers, a simple change can throw someone waaaay off course.

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Why is Windows 7 so amazing?

I'm a Windows user, always have been but I have to be honest and say I saw no real advantages over XP apart from the usual technological updates required to deal with todays hardware and usage. Windows 7 is no huge innovation, it doesn't give me anything I really need.

Windows 7 from my point of view is an OS update to deal with the requirements of 2009 -2010, thats it. If anyone expects anymore then you seriously need to get a life. If Microsoft expect us to get all excited then they need to give us something to get excited about, and now days I think that would be hard for any software company to do.

I would have liked to have seen more control over Explorer and its file/folder capabilities but tbh I didn't think MS would really care about that.

I used the RC for a while but I'm not buying Win7, its a nice OS but takes a few things away from Explorer in XP that i liked and so I'm not really that motivated to change.

If I got a new PC then I would install Windows 7 because I want to take advantage of my system but for a rig thats now around a year old I see no point.

If anyone can advise me differently then Id be happy to listen.

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Why is Windows 7 so amazing?

I'm a Windows user, always have been but I have to be honest and say I saw no real advantages over XP apart from the usual technological updates required to deal with todays hardware and usage. Windows 7 is no huge innovation, it doesn't give me anything I really need.

Windows 7 from my point of view is an OS update to deal with the requirements of 2009 -2010, thats it. If anyone expects anymore then you seriously need to get a life. If Microsoft expect us to get all excited then they need to give us something to get excited about, and now days I think that would be hard for any software company to do.

I would have liked to have seen more control over Explorer and its file/folder capabilities but tbh I didn't think MS would really care about that.

I used the RC for a while but I'm not buying Win7, its a nice OS but takes a few things away from Explorer in XP that i liked and so I'm not really that motivated to change.

If I got a new PC then I would install Windows 7 because I want to take advantage of my system but for a rig thats now around a year old I see no point.

If anyone can advise me differently then Id be happy to listen.

You have a point. I don't think people should run out and buy it. If they are still on XP and all they do is email, face book and browse the web, which is 90% of the world. Then stay there. If they already have vista and also just use it for those things then stay with vista. The only time I can see someone getting windows 7, other than being a complete geek is with a new computer. I'm using it right now. I think its great. Got mine through technet, would I Run out and buy a copy?.... well maybe one. The funny thing is, Microsoft did such a great job with xp people don't want to upgrade. Youl would be surprised how many people out there are still running XP on 256 meg or less of ram. The good ones have 512 megs of ram. So unless their PC starts to smoke or die, I don't see them upgrading to 7.

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So unless their PC starts to smoke or die, I don't see them upgrading to 7.

A friend of mine built a new i7 machine with 6GB of RAM and put XP32 on it. He's that resistant to change when it comes to the OS.

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A friend of mine built a new i7 machine with 6GB of RAM and put XP32 on it. He's that resistant to change when it comes to the OS.

You can't fix stupid.

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I would have liked to have seen MS recognise that there are as many people using Windows now days who want a more detailed experience as there are who are either new or don't care about computers and want a simple one.

I would have been first in the queue if Win 7 offered me more control over my operating system and allowed me to customise Explorer and its control over my now huge file and folder collection, but instead I'm reduced to un-changeable simplified templates of what the average person of the street will need.

The average person of the street will always be talked into the newest version of Windows by salesman at the PC store, the more experienced user needs a reason to upgrade, and believe me I would love a reason to. I'm always having to add 3rd party apps to add more detail and control to XP.

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I know we won't be switching at work any time soon because we need IE 6. Plus we have a ton of custom apps and no one wants to bother testing them for 7. What we have now works and it costs nothing extra. Microsoft just did too good of a job on XP.

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Here's the problem. I just took a stroll through Best Buy and saw an abundance of PC desktops already loaded with a plethora of bloatware and shovelware running 7. The array of display systems were already so bogged down and slow that I can imagine a first experience is sure to leave an impact.

Exactly. On Thursday I took a stroll through the Futureshop and Best Buy in Yonge-Dundas Square. I'd say less than a third of the laptops and desktops had 7 ready to go; the rest were Vista, and one netbook had XP in classic mode. :pinch:

I also didn't realize the GMA 945 couldn't support Aero; could've swore it did. Hence most of the laptops with Starter had no DWM running.

You mean orders/purchases? I am not sure, I don't work in that department. Actually, I don't think we sell any Macs, just PC's which I personally think are outdated, compared to say BestBuy or Futureshop.

I work for The Bay if you guys really really really want to know.

I never knew The Bay sold computers. :blink:

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  • 3 months later...

A few months ago at my college, the computer guy installed windows 7 in some of the college computers and left them running without telling anyone of the changes. Two weeks later 5 of my friends asked the computer guy when did he switch the boxes from XP to PC-BSD, because the boxes weren't crashing or lagging anymore and he told them that he installed Win7 in those computers. The funny thing is that to this day they still say to the other people in the networking course that win7 sucks. They just won't admit they liked it because of the pride of being BSD user, and MS hater that goes rampant among the networking students.

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A friend of mine built a new i7 machine with 6GB of RAM and put XP32 on it. He's that resistant to change when it comes to the OS.

I hope his GPU isn't too hefty as that'll count towards the 4GB limit as well.

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I also didn't realize the GMA 945 couldn't support Aero; could've swore it did. Hence most of the laptops with Starter had no DWM running.

Starter doesn't support Aero... not without using an unsigned theme.

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We all know that morons exisit in society at large, a good number of them buy a Mac. ;) Then the title of this thread is highly inaccurate. There is no way the general public find Windows 7 sucks. In fact the sales records for Windows 7 is amazing, reflecting how good Windows 7 really is. Hell, I'm impressed with the fact that it keeps my system from crashing when Vista crashed often when I gamed. Rarely has happened on Windows 7, a HUGE improvement IMO.

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I would have said the same thing if:

1. Media center didnt work with the tuner. But, at least I can stream it thru the Xbox to the TV. It doesnt work / get detected in Vista. Because its not OEM and doesnt have the TV Pack that you need

2. The printer drivers work properly, whereas in Vista. for some reason, the last time I tried to install them it kept complaining about something (the USB cable I think). Which wasnt plugged in. This is strange, because usually you have to wait for the install to tell you to connect it / turn the printer on. So the drivers install. The damn install wouldnt go this far (but the install has worked previously). Why it didnt work this time, I have no idea.

3. Vista and XP actually boot faster than Win7. The only other probs are with this solid background bug (I've installed the hotfix it didnt do a hell of a lot). And this 96 DPI thing. There is a hotfix, but I cant be stuffed requesting it. If MS know about it, they should give a link like any other hotfix

4. And since the CPU supports VT, I can use XP mode, if I have to

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Starter doesn't support Aero... not without using an unsigned theme.

Guess I was wrong on that part... I checked and indeed Starter does not have Aero. I was thinking of Home Basic.

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It's easy to be ignorant when you don't know much about what you're ignorant of. I have a bunch of friends that came to me and asked me what I thought of Windows 7 because I'm their tech saviour. I told them, "Listen. It's much better than Windows XP and Windows Vista. If you have a modern laptop or PC, go for it." More than half of them made the switch and they're loving it. And I'm getting way less calls asking me to fix this or fix that.

Instead of jumping on the hate bandwagon, people should do a bit of research. I'll never really understand why anyone would hate something that's better. Is change really that hard?

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I have a bunch of friends that came to me and asked me what I thought of Windows 7 because I'm their tech saviour. I told them, "Listen. It's much better than Windows XP and Windows Vista. If you have a modern laptop or PC, go for it." More than half of them made the switch and they're loving it. And I'm getting way less calls asking me to fix this or fix that.

Instead of jumping on the hate bandwagon, people should do a bit of research. I'll never really understand why anyone would hate something that's better. Is change really that hard?

Actually for me it has been 2 years dual booting using Windows 7 (since beta) and XP SP3 and I've jumped that bandwagon - and now only use XP. 3 of my friends, who see me as their tech saviour, complained about 2 things - horrible sound after some time and slow file copying. Even deleting became a pain.

My friends asked me if I thought they would fix this problem (horrible sound) in a service pack. I honestly told them this problem has existed since the birth of Vista so I couldn't say but ms is known for listening to their customers bug reports so let's wait and see.

I'm not telling people to 'hate' Windows 7, they can try it for themselves and make up their own minds - a great deal do like it - but I find Windows XP is solid if secured properly and maintained regularly.

I personally find that with each operating system that is released by ms they remove more control from me, the user. I understand why they do it, from all the customers who get hit by something because of their inability to install an anti-whatever program... and then blame ms.

For my friends and I Windows 7 is not something that's better, it's just prettier and new. The kicker is now I'm getting no phone calls at all since they went back to XP.

Change is good but it should benefit the end user and not the opposite.

Just my 2 cents, I'll be quiet now.

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Actually for me it has been 2 years dual booting using Windows 7 (since beta) and XP SP3 and I've jumped that bandwagon - and now only use XP. 3 of my friends, who see me as their tech saviour, complained about 2 things - horrible sound after some time and slow file copying. Even deleting became a pain.

My friends asked me if I thought they would fix this problem (horrible sound) in a service pack. I honestly told them this problem has existed since the birth of Vista so I couldn't say but ms is known for listening to their customers bug reports so let's wait and see.

I'm not telling people to 'hate' Windows 7, they can try it for themselves and make up their own minds - a great deal do like it - but I find Windows XP is solid if secured properly and maintained regularly.

I personally find that with each operating system that is released by ms they remove more control from me, the user. I understand why they do it, from all the customers who get hit by something because of their inability to install an anti-whatever program... and then blame ms.

For my friends and I Windows 7 is not something that's better, it's just prettier and new. The kicker is now I'm getting no phone calls at all since they went back to XP.

Change is good but it should benefit the end user and not the opposite.

Just my 2 cents, I'll be quiet now.

I'm not sure why they would have bad sound aside from crappy drivers (which can be a problem - the same one Vista had for a long time). I have great sound at less latency than I did under both xp and vista. I also actually see a slight improvement in file transfers, though I do have a problem deleting folders. For some reason it says a program is using the contents, but if I go into the folder, I can delete all the contents, then I can go back out and delete the folder itself. It's odd, and is obviously a bug, hopefully one that will be fixed soon.

Windows 7 will also let you completely disable UAC, which I have done, and so far have had 0 ill effects (unlike vista). I'm not sure what control MS have removed from you in 7. If anything they have added MUCH more control than Vista had. Frankly, it seems on par with XP in my book.

Windows XP will not be maintained much longer. They have already extended it's maintenance schedule and now that 7 is out, which is an OS that the populace at large is happy with, I can not see them extending support for Windows XP any longer. Of course I just looked at when the extended support was being retired and it's 08/04/2014, so really you should be fine there. Hell, Windows 8 and possibly 9 will be out by then if the roadmaps aren't lies.

I installed 7 on my main machine and have had such a good experience with it I got my roommate to install it when he built a new computer. He loves it so much he also put it on his other machine (which had XP). My girlfriend has gotten rid of vista and installed 7 on her laptop (her only computer) and so far loves it as well. It has been flawless for all of us, and we have all see speed improvements with it. I'm not saying there aren't issues with some hardware, but that, frankly, is the fault of the hardware manufacturer for not building windows drivers. They'll get better as time goes on.

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That's what Mojave demonstrated:

I think that was a load of fluff, tbh. The OS was never shown being used use in any of those marketing materials. It could have been anything, or nothing that those hired people were commenting on.

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