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Visual Studio 2010 Beta 2


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Has anybody tried beta 2 of Visual Studio 2010 yet?

I've fiddled around a bit with Visual C++ Express 2010 and here are some of my impressions:

The good:

- It looks nice. The blue theme, the new startup page, the new "New Project" Window, they are all redone and for the better.

- WPF-based editor makes pane manipulation (resizing, docking etc.) fluid and visually gratifying.

- Some C++0x features have made it in there: static type inference (auto keyword), lambdas, nullptr.

- Many errors are detected as you type, just like in C#.

- Intellisense seems much more reliable.

The bad:

- Most C++0x features still absent: initializers, concepts (will they actually make it into the next standard?), foreach loop, etc.

- Template error messages as horrible as ever.

- Startup time should have been improved, but VS2008 starts up almost instantly on my machine while VS2010 takes a few very noticeable seconds. Still much better than Netbeans or Eclipse though, which take ages to start.

- Font rendering still not as sharp as in VS2008. Using Consolas 11. I'm starting to doubt they will correctly address this issue by the final release. :(

- As a beta, it shouldn't associate itself with Visual Studio files such as .hpp, .h, .sln, etc., which it DOES, and its annoying, I want to keep VS2008 as my default IDE, thanks.

The font rendering is still a very real issue. Here's VS2008:

fontrenderingvs2008.png

And VS2010:

fontrenderingvs2010.png

Just looking at 1:1 scale, the VS2010 fonts look "flaky". Zoom in (not in the browser, in mspaint or paint.net, whatever), and you'll see why. They do use ClearType, but much less precisely than VS2008. It's closer to greyscale aliasing than real ClearType.

Haven't tried C# or VB, they're probably more mature though. What's your experience?

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Oh hell no they didnt!

I just looked at that page and theres a premium and ultimate version of VS! no no no no no!

Does this mean that Ultimate is better than Team System now?

ahaha that made me laugh xD

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vs 2010 is built using WPF, the font rendering of which is pretty dire. So I agree with you on the font issue.

i have used 2010 for a couple of quick solutions, and it's perfectly usable.

one feature i really wish they would put / support is not forcing an upgrade of a solution when you open it in vs2010 from an earlier one. is this really necessary?! no, if i'm working in a team and i have vs2010, and someone else uses 2008 then we have a problem. at the moment on my dev machine i need to have vb6, vs05, vs08, and the soon to be 2010 installed all at once. *sigh*

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Have they fixed it so you can scroll the code window properly with a laptop touchpad (in a scroll region, with synaptics)? I've never used a program that didn't support doing so... apart from Visual Studio 2010 beta 1, and when I posted a bug report about it on connect they marked it as "by design".

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vs 2010 is built using WPF, the font rendering of which is pretty dire. So I agree with you on the font issue.

that's what I hate most in VS2010. The font looks terrible :wacko:

Te next things which I don't like is, that the IntelliTrace (historical debugger) is only available in the Ultimate.

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