soniqstylz Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 http://burn360.net/game-news/assassins-creed-dlc-fiasco/ It really is taboo in this day and age for a developer to sell downloadable content to gamers that was originally supposed to be in the game. Gamers will speculate almost always as to whether or not it was or wasn?t if its fair or not. If it?s priced right and ultimately if it?s worth it. Well Ubisoft gave everyone a big fat middle finger and in a recent interview said these choice words. Maybe there was something lost in translation but here goes:?I felt that ?Okay there were too many things to do and to finish.? So we said, Okay let?s take a portion of the game that was planned and we?ll give it in DLC.? Rut Roh! Why Patrice Desilets would say this at this point is beyond us here at Burn360. Unless the guy is mentally challenged, there is no reason to even go there, unless he wants to be burned at the stake. The backlash hasn?t started just yet but it?s coming. That is unless Assassins Creed and Ubisoft are beyond this sort of thing. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WastedJoker Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 It's not like other developers don't do the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted December 28, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted December 28, 2009 It's not like other developers don't do the same thing. Tomb Raider comes to mind. PR really shoot themselves in the foot with wording like this, I can fully understand on a timeline not all content can fit in - In the past, PS2 days, that content would never be seen again, maybe with a complete re-release so in a way we are privileged we can get content that doesn't make the cut, but usually not when developers word it like this it seems shady. Shadow of the Colossus for example has artwork and even in-game photos out there of Colossus bosses that just didn't make it into the game due to time constraints, no way of them ever getting back into the game, but obviously the game has a good satisfying ending even with the "cut" content. The argument comes from COULD the content of made the cut and was it held back intentionally, and how obvious is it something has been cut - See my Tomb Raider example, from what I heard you basically needed the DLC to get the proper ending. Silly handled PR which will now cause another backlash in the never-ending world of DLC arguing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+jamesyfx Subscriber² Posted December 28, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted December 28, 2009 AC2 has enough content in it to last a while anyway. I can live without Premium Content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cy-Kill Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 EA's doing it with Dragon Age, which is a crappy thing to do, DLC should be free, but with EA, you have to earn points to be able to get the DLC, and they wonder why people pirate games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smigit Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 I fail to see the problem here what so ever. Every major project out there at some point will come to a point where its content has to be revised and decisions made as to what will and won't make the cut for the final release. Anyone that thinks ideas that developers want to try don't get put on the side for every single game out there has to be seriously kidding themselves. Yes, sometimes that content will eventually be released for free when they release some DLC but realistically more often than not you will pay for it in the form of an expansion or the idea will make its way into the sequal or another game by the company. So yeah, whats the problem? As long as the feature wasn't developed and included in the games disk and you are simply paying to unlock it what does anyone have to complain about? I wouldn't say AC2 is exactly a short game. It's not a new thing either, just the distribution method has changed. Expansions have been available for a very long time now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorwing Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 even if they cut it out.. it's like 'deleted scenes' from a movie. So if you are going to put it that way.. all films that have deleted scenes are ripping everyone off in the theatres till they get the dvd/bluray releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lothodon Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 this isn't so much of a shock except for the wording used. it is probably common practice but flat out admitting it will definitely upset a LOT of people. as for the deleted scene's analogy, it's more like you bought the dvd and THEN had to pay more to get the deleted scenes on another dvd, at least to me it sounds more accurate that way. don't care for dlc myself, so it doesn't bother me either way. still waiting for ac2 from goozex anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorwing Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 as for the deleted scene's analogy, it's more like you bought the dvd and THEN had to pay more to get the deleted scenes on another dvd, at least to me it sounds more accurate that way. Not exactly, they assume you saw it in theatres that made you buy the dvd. I guess you are supposed to 'Watch the Movie in theatres' then a few months later BUY the DVD with Extras. Interesting thought that you pay like $10 for a movie and then you pay like 30+ for Blu Ray/DVD. lol. Now we're getting ripped off there. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Not sure how that makes it a money grab. They didn't have the time to put it in the full game, so they're putting it in as DLC. Epic did it with the Gears of War 2 deleted scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smigit Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 it is probably common practice but flat out admitting it will definitely upset a LOT of people. Yeah well a lot of people are either clueless or have some weird sense of entitlement. I still can't fathom how people can't comprehend that every idea thought of during the course of development doesn't make it into the game nor that they believe content that goes above and beyond what was originally on the box/in the game and wasn't promised to be free later on should be released for free. Hell in buying AC2 they probably paid for ideas/content that was left out of the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted December 29, 2009 Global Moderator Share Posted December 29, 2009 I think the translation or what he menat didn't come off well. It seems to me that the original, or in this case, full AC2 game was so big that they had to cut down stuff. Maybe it was an issue of not wanting to go to a 2nd DVD? Or maybe they just felt the optional stuff was enough already that they'd give some as DLC. For this to be a money grab it'd have to be like what devs did at the start, ie, having the content on the disc but selling you an unlock code. I haven't started AC2 yet, have to finish ToV first, but it sounds like the game itself has alot in there already, and the dlc is yet again bonus stuff that didn't make it in or had to be taken out for some reason. In the end it's optional, it doesn't effect the story right? If the story isn't messed with then I couldn't care less. If you want another 5hr's or w/e of AC2 gameplay then go d/l this stuff, if not, then don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remysaus Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Well, I think this is a good thing, they kept out a part of the game that wasn't necessary for the main storyline but was still part of Ezio's memory. (sequence 12 and 13) now they can finish up some plotholes in DLC and keep people interested. This is better than some half assed DLC that adds nothing to the original storyline. Plus, more assassin's creed is always a good thing. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3ntury Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 even if they cut it out.. it's like 'deleted scenes' from a movie. So if you are going to put it that way.. all films that have deleted scenes are ripping everyone off in the theatres till they get the dvd/bluray releases. Movies usually make more than games though, and even if a scene is deleted its included on the DVD anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyD Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 even if they cut it out.. it's like 'deleted scenes' from a movie. So if you are going to put it that way.. all films that have deleted scenes are ripping everyone off in the theatres till they get the dvd/bluray releases. Deleted scenes were deleted because the scenes were considered not to flow well with the movie. The difference with this is that the content was intentionally cut with the intention to sell later while knowing it would leave some plot holes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dance. Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Deleted scenes were deleted because the scenes were considered not to flow well with the movie. Or the movie is too long already. The difference with this is that the content was intentionally cut with the intention to sell later while knowing it would leave some plot holes I still haven't finished my AC2 but AFAIK there's a huge ass cliffhanger at the end of the game, not a plot hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkburn Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 (edited) The difference with this is that the content was intentionally cut with the intention to sell later ... because you actually have to ship a game to people at some point. Unless you want games to be in eternal development, or for cut features to never have a chance to be finished at all? Edited January 3, 2010 by Kirkburn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyD Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Or the movie is too long already.I still haven't finished my AC2 but AFAIK there's a huge ass cliffhanger at the end of the game, not a plot hole. You're saying the DLC is addressing the ending of the game? The cliffhanger at the end of the game is meant for leading into to AC3. Not DLC. Then again, I haven't read much into what the DLC was offer besides the honest comments from the developer ... because you actually have to ship a game to people at some point.Unless you want games to be in eternal development, or for cut features to never have a chance to be finished at all? Oh please. Games get delayed all the time. Why do you think we have a ton of games coming out end of Jan through March? Because most were delayed. Like the OP's title says, this was a pure money grab or they could release it for free. Or don't be stupid enough to say that they intentionally held off on it so they could sell it later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkburn Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 (edited) Oh please. Games get delayed all the time. Why do you think we have a ton of games coming out end of Jan through March? Because most were delayed.Like the OP's title says, this was a pure money grab or they could release it for free. Or don't be stupid enough to say that they intentionally held off on it so they could sell it later Please, re-read the original post. Go on. Notice how it specifically mentions time constraints, right here: “I felt that “Okay there were too many things to do and to finish.” So we said, Okay let’s take a portion of the game that was planned and we’ll give it in DLC.” You may suggest they're lying, in which case, there's no point having a conversation. Of course games get delayed. Features get cut even in delayed games. No sane company continually delays a release just because they have thought of stuff they can put in. There's a limit. The developers reached it for AC2. Essentially, this isn't some magical world where games spring into being without a development process or deadlines. To take another example: World of Warcraft. Blizzard had, and have, thousands of ideas for the game. If they'd decided to put everything they wanted in before release, WoW would have been delayed by years and years. The extra development work to finish off those ideas isn't free. Edited January 4, 2010 by Kirkburn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smigit Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 (edited) Oh please. Games get delayed all the time. Why do you think we have a ton of games coming out end of Jan through March? And you think those delayed games don't have cut features as well or ideas that were left behind? As for the example about movies...many of them are edited to keep the film shorter and many do result in holes in the plot or stories that go missing. The directors cut of many films can often be considerably longer to accommodate for this. Other times the scenes are cut out simply for cost reasons or shortcuts are taken...I'm pretty sure that was the reasoning behind Jabba the Hut character in the original star wars being shot as he was. Edited January 4, 2010 by Smigit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyD Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Please, re-read the original post. Go on.Notice how it specifically mentions time constraints, right here: You may suggest they're lying, in which case, there's no point having a conversation. Of course games get delayed. Features get cut even in delayed games. No sane company continually delays a release just because they have thought of stuff they can put in. There's a limit. The developers reached it for AC2. Essentially, this isn't some magical world where games spring into being without a development process or deadlines. To take another example: World of Warcraft. Blizzard had, and have, thousands of ideas for the game. If they'd decided to put everything they wanted in before release, WoW would have been delayed by years and years. The extra development work to finish off those ideas isn't free. Except you're making a general assumption which isn't applicable here. They clearly knew what was needed to complete the game and probably had a time line to finish it. Your comments about continuous delays is irrelevant because the game was never delayed and probably could have been delayed once to finish the game with a release in early 2010. Instead, they get to profit off of DLC But you don't have to agree with me. Go ahead and spend your $9 - I'll be more than happy to put that towards all the other games that were delayed and now due out in the next few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smigit Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 They clearly knew what was needed to complete the game Well according to them and looking at reviews those segments clearly weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkburn Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 But you don't have to agree with me. Go ahead and spend your $9 - I'll be more than happy to put that towards all the other games that were delayed and now due out in the next few months. Actually, I have neither bought AC2, nor would I likely buy the DLC if I had (just because I generally don't complete games that much). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconboy Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I bought AC2 and love it it was worth the $29 I paid for it on boxing day and I like it enough that I would probably buy the dlc but I can see people who paid $50+ for the game being a little irritated At the same time remember this is stuff they just didn't have time to implement and if you had content for a game that couldn't make it even a couple of years ago you would never see it so in a way it's Linda cool to be able to have access to this stuff especially people who love the game and want more honestly I think they should release one of the 2 dlc for free as a goodwill gesture after that PR. Guy said what he said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkburn Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I bought AC2 and love it it was worth the $29 I paid for it on boxing day and I like it enough that I would probably buy the dlc but I can see people who paid $50+ for the game being a little irritated At the same time remember this is stuff they just didn't have time to implement and if you had content for a game that couldn't make it even a couple of years ago you would never see it so in a way it's Linda cool to be able to have access to this stuff especially people who love the game and want more honestly I think they should release one of the 2 dlc for free as a goodwill gesture after that PR. Guy said what he said They should give it away because the guy told the truth? That's odd reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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