OOOOOOOO Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Finally some dose of reality for Nintendo. That's a foolish comment. Capcom and Sega are NOT leading developers anymore. Nintendo Wii has outsold the Xbox and PS3 so heavily that it'd take a MASSIVE amount of effort to push past it. They wont Next gen will see the Nintendo supporting High Def, more processing punch, AND an innovation that everyone will be swayed by. Nintendo proved that the innovative input device is and was the biggest seller. And there are a TON of great Wii games from Nintendo and 3rd Party's. I own an Xbox 360, Playstation3 and Wii ... and they're all fanstastic. Well ... the PS3 and Wii are better than the Xbox but they're all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldgunner Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 More powerful hardware can create more believable worlds. The Cartoon graphics common on the Wii are fine, but if you don't have the power to create more physics based objects, destructable terrain and buildings etc then the immersion is destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmatic Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 That's a foolish comment. Capcom and Sega are NOT leading developers anymore. Nintendo Wii has outsold the Xbox and PS3 so heavily that it'd take a MASSIVE amount of effort to push past it. They wont what do you mean by 'push past' ? being that the wii outsells the xbox and ps3, wouldnt every developer want to work on the wii? yet capcom doesnt, because they believe in making real games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macrosslover Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 That's a foolish comment. Capcom and Sega are NOT leading developers anymore. Nintendo Wii has outsold the Xbox and PS3 so heavily that it'd take a MASSIVE amount of effort to push past it. They wontNext gen will see the Nintendo supporting High Def, more processing punch, AND an innovation that everyone will be swayed by. Nintendo proved that the innovative input device is and was the biggest seller. And there are a TON of great Wii games from Nintendo and 3rd Party's. I own an Xbox 360, Playstation3 and Wii ... and they're all fanstastic. Well ... the PS3 and Wii are better than the Xbox but they're all good. no that's foolish. We can agree that Sega is a pretty poor developer now, but Capcom is a very good developer and has run their business very well and profitable for the last few years. They were one of the leading Japanese companies to embrace western gamers and go multiplatform in recent years and thereby probably save their company, unlike Sega. Even if the next Wii was spec matched with the next Xbox and Playstation, that doesn't mean 3rd party games will sell well on the system or that the current Wii audience will buy games on it. I think you underestimate the extent of the casuals that dominate the Wii audience. The Wii fit audience does not play video games at all. They aren't going to go out and buy a new Wii because it has HD or because Wii Fit is in HD. I don't know how people who support the Wii now and say those things like HD, processor, online w/e don't matter now....but somehow it's going to matter to the Wii's audience next time? If the ps3/360 didn't do it for them now, then the Wii won't do it for them next time. There's not much more you can do with Wii Fit HD other than Hd graphics, big whoop, i can see people waiting in line for that -_-. I agree with you there are a ton of great 3rd party games for the Wii, the problem is they don't sell. Probably the best M-rated game on the system IMO Metroid, sold jack on the system compared to Mario Party 7,8,9,10..I forget what number they are on now. For all of those of you complaining about Wii rail shooters, what else do you think the system is capable off. It's just the flat out truth the video capabilites of the system aren't good. Could the Wii have a true Dead Space game and not the rail shooter it got? Of course it could, but would you be happy with the mandotary low res textures and just otherwise horrible graphics compared to the PS3/360 version? of course you wouldn't. Don't blame the developers, blame Nintendo for putting a new CPU in the Gamecube and calling it a day. By doing rail shooters It allows the developers to control exactly where the player is going to be and what they are going to do in the game world, while maximizing the quality the best they can. Look at every open world game on the Wii and it's either a "normal" graphic game that loads everytime you change rooms or it's cel-shaded which takes less video texture memory. You wouldn't be happy if Dead Space had to load the next set of textures every 5 secs you walked, simply because the Wii's video memory isn't capable of holding the huge amount the other systems are. Nintendo may be printing money right now, but all they did was shoot themselves in the foot for the future and probably pulled an Atari move. The hardcore crowd has probably completely abadoned them by now, as evidenced by the low sales of every single M-rated game on the system and the casual market is so unreliable that they'd be foolish to bet their companies future on them. They are called casual for a reason. I'm sorry for the long post, but it annoys me to see people drink Nintendo's kool-aid and not admit the serious problems they made this generation that carried over from the last generation and act like everything is perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OOOOOOOO Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 no that's foolish. We can agree that Sega is a pretty poor developer now, but Capcom is a very good developer and has run their business very well and profitable for the last few years. They were one of the leading Japanese companies to embrace western gamers and go multiplatform in recent years and thereby probably save their company, unlike Sega.Even if the next Wii was spec matched with the next Xbox and Playstation, that doesn't mean 3rd party games will sell well on the system or that the current Wii audience will buy games on it. I think you underestimate the extent of the casuals that dominate the Wii audience. The Wii fit audience does not play video games at all. They aren't going to go out and buy a new Wii because it has HD or because Wii Fit is in HD. I don't know how people who support the Wii now and say those things like HD, processor, online w/e don't matter now....but somehow it's going to matter to the Wii's audience next time? I agree with you there are a ton of great 3rd party games for the Wii, the problem is they don't sell. Probably the best M-rated game on the system IMO Metroid, sold jack on the system compared to Mario Party 7,8,9,10..I forget what number they are on now. For all of those of you complaining about Wii rail shooters, what else do you think the system is capable off. It's just the flat out truth the video capabilites of the system aren't good. Could the Wii have a true Dead Space game and not the rail shooter it got? Of course it could, but would you be happy with the mandotary low res textures and just otherwise horrible graphics compared to the PS3/360 version? of course you wouldn't. Don't blame the developers, blame Nintendo for putting a new CPU in the Gamecube and calling it a day. By doing rail shooters It allows the developers to control exactly where the player is going to be and what they are going to do in the game world, while maximizing the quality the best they can. Look at every open world game on the Wii and it's either a "normal" graphic game that loads everytime you change rooms or it's cel-shaded which takes less video texture memory. You wouldn't be happy if Dead Space had to load the next set of textures every 5 secs you walked, simply because the Wii's video memory isn't capable of holding the huge amount the other systems are. Nintendo may be printing money right now, but all they did was shoot themselves in the foot for the future and probably pulled an Atari move. The hardcore crowd has probably completely abadoned them by now, as evidenced by the low sales of every single M-rated game on the system and the casual market is so unreliable that they'd be foolish to bet their companies future on them. They are called casual for a reason. I'm sorry for the long post, but it annoys me to see people drink Nintendo's kool-aid and not admit the serious problems they made this generation that carried over from the last generation and act like everything is perfect. What? Wait up ... Capcom WERE and you said that ... WERE a leading developer. Not anymore. SO many larger dev's out there making way better games and way more money. So let's not even discuss that :) And you're saying the Wii audience doesn't want games so they wont likely go to Nintendo's next console. Ok ... well, think back to Xbox's launch. SO many gamers from Nintendo AND Sony, both went over to Xbox. So if you think about it, it doesn't matter what console you had before. I know people who said Sony was THE console when they had a PS2, and now they have Xbox360's and swear by them so much that they start arguing with you if you mention another console. Any of the Sony, Nintendo or Microsoft fans can and will move to a new console every generation and then declare it THE best console of all time etc. So you can't just use the console they're on now as a benchmark. I'm telling you now ... Nintendo will make more money this generation than any of the other console manufacturers on Consoles and games, and I am damn sure they'll do the same next time round too. For your information btw ... I don't drink Nintendo Cool Aid ... My favorite console is the Sony PS3 for starters. I just think hardcore gamers forget that they're in the minority. Not the majority by a LONG stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrian Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 The future? Ha! The future is the PC, if for no other reason than because it can be upgraded. The 360 and the PS3 are the present. Soon enough they will be dead and there will be another generation of consoles to take their place. I love Capcom, but if they want to bitch that their new Resident Evil game didn't sell well I'd probably chalk that up to poor or even nonexistent advertising; I love the Resident Evil franchise and this article is the first I've ever heard of this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Teej Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 The large sums of money go into making the AAA titles for the PS3/360 that go on to sell millions, issue with Wii development is it's so damn risky because every game has to be uniquely made, not just because of the hardware, with the controller as well.That's what I was talking about with porting above, 3rd party developers are loving the fact they can make a game, then basically with some tweaking and small amounts of Q/A release the same title on both the 360 and PS3. So the developers themselves then have the catch22, pour all their effort and money into making something unique for the Wii that then sells like ****, or follow the trend and make some mini-game/fitness game that'll be cheap to make and sell decently enough to make a profit. Did you say it's risky to develop on Wii? The whole point of Wii is that it's NOT risky. They could make a brand new AAA title and do the "same old" and sell millions, but they decide to be different and when it doesn't pay off, they're all "OMG THE WII IS CRAP WE DONT WANT TO DO ANYTHING FOR IT ANYMORE". If anyone should be complaining it's SEGA, at least they attempted to do something AAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macrosslover Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 What? Wait up ... Capcom WERE and you said that ... WERE a leading developer. Not anymore. SO many larger dev's out there making way better games and way more money. So let's not even discuss that :)And you're saying the Wii audience doesn't want games so they wont likely go to Nintendo's next console. Ok ... well, think back to Xbox's launch. SO many gamers from Nintendo AND Sony, both went over to Xbox. So if you think about it, it doesn't matter what console you had before. I know people who said Sony was THE console when they had a PS2, and now they have Xbox360's and swear by them so much that they start arguing with you if you mention another console. Any of the Sony, Nintendo or Microsoft fans can and will move to a new console every generation and then declare it THE best console of all time etc. So you can't just use the console they're on now as a benchmark. I'm telling you now ... Nintendo will make more money this generation than any of the other console manufacturers on Consoles and games, and I am damn sure they'll do the same next time round too. Of course Nintendo will/has made the most money this generation, good for them that's all they care about. It doesn't matter they lost me as a customer and many others. Yes they have gained many more this generation. I stress this generation because again I remind you, casual gamers are called casual for a reason. For your information btw ... I don't drink Nintendo Cool Aid ... My favorite console is the Sony PS3 for starters. I just think hardcore gamers forget that they're in the minority. Not the majority by a LONG stretch. I'm curious name me other Japanese developers that you think are doing better than Capcom? and let me ask you this who do you think buys the consoles when they first come out, hardcore or casuals? Hardcore are early adopters and if you don't appease them then for what reason would they want to buy your next console? What has Nintendo itself done this generation to appease the hardcore gamer that the gamer can say I know they'll do this next time and it will probably interest me? As a hardcore gamer I can rely on the 360/ps3 to please me with mature shooters, more gta, dark story rpgs, whatever. As for Nintendo, if Mario party, rayman rabbits?, barbie pony ride or anything along those lines hasn't interested me now, how would them being in HD interest me next generation. Explain to me what groundwork Nintendo is laying in this generation that would make me want to buy their console on day 1 or even within the first year now. With MS i could say GOW is great I look foward to the future of it, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Dead Space, Assa. Creed, Fable and Crackdown. Except for Fable all of those are completely new series that started this generation that I can say have a promising future. With Ps3 You have infamous, drake's, resistance, metal gear, little big planet. again new series that have promising futures and I can look forward to next generation. with Nintendo I have Wii fit, wii sports, wii fit plus, and wii sports resort.....hmmm? what in that would interest me in the next generation? If i'm missing one, something new that started this generation on Nintendo's system, by all means tell me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Anarkii Subscriber² Posted January 7, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted January 7, 2010 The Wii doesn't cater to the mass market of gamers. It's a family console with family friendly games. The PS3 and XBOX are consoles that are in your bedroom and cater to a totally different market. Basically, this is how I see the Wii: PS3: Males 13-40yo XBOX: Males 13-40yo Wii: Girls 5-100 + Males 40+ Games like Resident Evil 4 is going to sell badly on the Wii because... well do you know any males in the 13-40 age group that own a Wii? I mean OWN OWN not share with the family too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmatic Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 For all of those of you complaining about Wii rail shooters, what else do you think the system is capable off. It's just the flat out truth the video capabilites of the system aren't good. i thought they were rail shooters because of the control scheme? nobody has come up with a way to have proper view controls on the wiimote, they all work like the scrolling in RTS games, move the cursor to one edge of the screen to move it in that direction.... the cursor is instantaneous in response, so you can have all your Virtua Cops and Duck Hunters and they will work exactly like they say on the tin the motion sensing controls are calculated from the acceleration felt on the wiimote, its always going to be behind real-time, so its only good for gesture-based commands, not fast-paced gameplay... the biggest flaw of the wii is that its built ground up as a gimmick... it should have had the motionplus and its gyroscopes from the beginning, or used actual telemetry and used direct spatial information, not deriving it from acceleration information.... that way learning it will be just as easy as it is now, but mastering it will be actually possible, rather than relying on the simplified controls to compensate for the flaws of the input... if your motion controls are as consistent as the joysticks and buttons that the hardcore gamers are used to, then you will attract the hardcore gamers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Anarkii Subscriber² Posted January 7, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted January 7, 2010 The future? Ha! The future is the PC, if for no other reason than because it can be upgraded. The 360 and the PS3 are the present. Soon enough they will be dead and there will be another generation of consoles to take their place. Naughty Dog (the makers of Uncharted) have said that the PS3 in Uncharted 2 still only uses a fraction of what the PS3 is capable of.... Also both consoles can be upgraded, with removable hard disks and the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phixion Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Nintendo haven't made a decent console in years, I'm suprised the Wii become so popular... I always saw it as a gimmick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkusDarkus Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Come on guys. I'm sure Nintendo is not that bothered about it. Looking at their console history i'm sure they know their market quite well. It may not be as big as the market that Sony and Microsoft aim for but it does exist and alot of us are falling out of it. If Capcom want to aim for the majority market then good for them. It's a wise move. Loose E.G. Sonic and Mario. IMO the Sonic games seem to mature as in they have always appealed to me while growing up but Mario seems to be consistently aimed at the same age group since it was created. In fact, If anything has changed with Mario it would be the fact they have seemed to cross the gender barrier for that age demographic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin in a box Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 I made it because I did. But then again Nintendo won't care a single bit anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 I'm curious name me other Japanese developers that you think are doing better than Capcom? and let me ask you this who do you think buys the consoles when they first come out, hardcore or casuals? Hardcore are early adopters and if you don't appease them then for what reason would they want to buy your next console?What has Nintendo itself done this generation to appease the hardcore gamer that the gamer can say I know they'll do this next time and it will probably interest me? As a hardcore gamer I can rely on the 360/ps3 to please me with mature shooters, more gta, dark story rpgs, whatever. As for Nintendo, if Mario party, rayman rabbits?, barbie pony ride or anything along those lines hasn't interested me now, how would them being in HD interest me next generation. Explain to me what groundwork Nintendo is laying in this generation that would make me want to buy their console on day 1 or even within the first year now. You say that like you matter. The Wii sold out consistently for how long? Yeah, hardcores will buy consoles when they first come out...regardless of if they suck or not. That's what you guys do. You get your fix, then move on, until you have every current-gen console, then the next gen comes out, and you gobble it up the same. Rinse, repeat. The Wii transcends the nerds in the bedroom. The only reason people (read: hardcore gamers) keep saying the next Nintendo console will fail, is because they don't cater to all the ultimately-irrelevant talking points that you guys use amongst yourselves to try to convince each other which flavor of the month console is better. There are no "mature" games on the Wii, which, in game-geek speak, apparently means "not enough games that say f*ck, and I can't shoot someone in hi-def". This whole thread boils down to basically this; Nintendo don't do what we think they should, so they'll fail, next time. Sure, sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OOOOOOOO Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 You say that like you matter. The Wii sold out consistently for how long? Yeah, hardcores will buy consoles when they first come out...regardless of if they suck or not. That's what you guys do. You get your fix, then move on, until you have every current-gen console, then the next gen comes out, and you gobble it up the same. Rinse, repeat. The Wii transcends the nerds in the bedroom. The only reason people (read: hardcore gamers) keep saying the next Nintendo console will fail, is because they don't cater to all the ultimately-irrelevant talking points that you guys use amongst yourselves to try to convince each other which flavor of the month console is better. There are no "mature" games on the Wii, which, in game-geek speak, apparently means "not enough games that say f*ck, and I can't shoot someone in hi-def". This whole thread boils down to basically this; Nintendo don't do what we think they should, so they'll fail, next time. Sure, sure. Best post of the thread :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted January 7, 2010 Author Subscriber² Share Posted January 7, 2010 You say that like you matter. The Wii sold out consistently for how long? Yeah, hardcores will buy consoles when they first come out...regardless of if they suck or not. That's what you guys do. You get your fix, then move on, until you have every current-gen console, then the next gen comes out, and you gobble it up the same. Rinse, repeat. The Wii transcends the nerds in the bedroom. The only reason people (read: hardcore gamers) keep saying the next Nintendo console will fail, is because they don't cater to all the ultimately-irrelevant talking points that you guys use amongst yourselves to try to convince each other which flavor of the month console is better. There are no "mature" games on the Wii, which, in game-geek speak, apparently means "not enough games that say f*ck, and I can't shoot someone in hi-def". This whole thread boils down to basically this; Nintendo don't do what we think they should, so they'll fail, next time. Sure, sure. Completely out of context, we're talking about developers, Nintendo can sell 100 million Wii's on Nintendo software alone, that's fine, but they're losing 3rd party support like they usually always end up doing. In the past that's what's killed them, unlikely it will this time, but it just starts to cripple the Wii's software library to one core audience, where as the PS3/360 can branch out to many audiences. The thread doesn't boil down to anything other than watching how developers start to treat/see the Wii. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notuptome2004 Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Completely out of context, we're talking about developers, Nintendo can sell 100 million Wii's on Nintendo software alone, that's fine, but they're losing 3rd party support like they usually always end up doing.In the past that's what's killed them, unlikely it will this time, but it just starts to cripple the Wii's software library to one core audience, where as the PS3/360 can branch out to many audiences. The thread doesn't boil down to anything other than watching how developers start to treat/see the Wii. well for the Wii 3rd party support is alot better then in the past and course i know ther is only a handful of really good 3rd party games on the Wii but the ones that are out ther and i will name 1 because they really went beyond the line to make the game. High Voltage software the Conduit they built that game from the Engine up on the Wii to not only push the Wii harder then ever with their game engine but show it can do allot of crap the big boys can do on the graphics effects side without High powered Pixel shader based GPUs . and with newr games on the Quantum 3 engine coming they will push it further. with the new games for it the grinder and such in an IGN review last year on the updated engine used for Grinder they siad during testing they was able to have 65+ enemies on screen at 1 time running at the same speed as the Conduit The issue is Developers are afraid to work on the Wii to make a great game but it can be done and i am sure many more great titels will come out this year for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perochan Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 saw this coming already. Wii is not fit for mature audiences... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soniqstylz Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 If I were Nintendo, I'd be laughing all the way to the bank And then buy Capcom and force them to make Metroid Evil, Zelda May Cry, and Lost Mario Planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Completely out of context, we're talking about developers, Nintendo can sell 100 million Wii's on Nintendo software alone, that's fine, but they're losing 3rd party support like they usually always end up doing.In the past that's what's killed them, unlikely it will this time, but it just starts to cripple the Wii's software library to one core audience, where as the PS3/360 can branch out to many audiences. The thread doesn't boil down to anything other than watching how developers start to treat/see the Wii. And what, pray tell, 'core audience' will it 'cripple' down to? Mainstream gamers? You mean, like...the majority of the people out there? Oh, the horror! It's a moot point. So what if eventually the Wii starts to lose 3rd party support. By the time anyone cares, the next gen consoles will be getting ready to roll out, and the whole process starts over again. It's not like these things are cemented in stone to last for ages. The Wii is already 4 years old...you think anyone with one now would notice a sudden drastic decrease in the number of Capcom titles coming out for it? If so, would they care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Veteran Posted January 7, 2010 Veteran Share Posted January 7, 2010 Better hardware would not have helped RE: The Darkside Chronicles, The Conduit, and Madworld. Agreed. Apparently the publishers think "boring" == "mature". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smigit Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 That's a foolish comment. Capcom and Sega are NOT leading developers anymore. Nintendo Wii has outsold the Xbox and PS3 so heavily that it'd take a MASSIVE amount of effort to push past it. They wontNext gen will see the Nintendo supporting High Def, more processing punch, AND an innovation that everyone will be swayed by. Nintendo proved that the innovative input device is and was the biggest seller. And there are a TON of great Wii games from Nintendo and 3rd Party's. High sales of the PS2 haven't done much to help the PS3 this generation but. Wii Sports has to arguably be one of the most successful games of all time, perhaps not for selling so many units individually but for the fact it alone sold so many Wii's. The problem then lies as to whether Nintendo will have another "Wii Sports" next generation. HD is nice and all but they're losing the developers now so who is to say how quick they will be to jump back into bed with Nintendo next time. As sony has found its biggest competitor to be the PS2 Nintendo may find that those Wii gamers that bought a Wii because they didn't care about MS's or Sony's more powerful hardware will overlook Nintendo's system for the very same reason. Realistically theres no reason to believe anything Nintendo does next will in fact be any more innovative that what the competition is doing. So yes...if i was Nintendo I would be concerned. Sure the Wii has sold a packet but its done absolutly nothing for its third party support and if Nintendo loses the momentum by not being able to repeat the success of Wii Sports then they could find that their console becomes a hard sell next to the competition or even the Wii. The industry has moved to a multi platform model for the big third parties but in doing so has left Nintendo largely behind which could really bite them in the future regardless of how cosy they may be right now. Not to say Devs won't jump back...just it could be a huge momentum stopper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted January 8, 2010 Author Subscriber² Share Posted January 8, 2010 (edited) And what, pray tell, 'core audience' will it 'cripple' down to? Mainstream gamers? You mean, like...the majority of the people out there? Oh, the horror! It's a moot point. So what if eventually the Wii starts to lose 3rd party support. By the time anyone cares, the next gen consoles will be getting ready to roll out, and the whole process starts over again. It's not like these things are cemented in stone to last for ages. The Wii is already 4 years old...you think anyone with one now would notice a sudden drastic decrease in the number of Capcom titles coming out for it? If so, would they care? You're still missing the point it's not just capcom, it's just about every 3rd party developer. Go get me a list of the titles that reviewed well on the Wii by 3rd parties selling over 1 million units. And it's a huge worry for the next generation if Nintendo pull the same stunt again, platform unity is needed, whether Nintendo like it or not if they want 3rd party developers releasing similar titles across platforms. The top 10 selling Wii games. Wii Sports (50.54 million)[69] Wii Play (24.43 million)[69] Wii Fit (22.5 million)[69] Mario Kart Wii (18.36 million)[69] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (9.2 million approximately; 4 million in North America[70], 2.708 mil copies in Japan[71], 2.5 million in Europe[72]) Super Smash Bros. Brawl (8.43 million)[73] Super Mario Galaxy (8.02 million)[74] Wii Sports Resort (6.97 million approximately[69]; 1.25 million in United States, 1.636 million in Japan[71], 1 million in Europe, 100,000 in Australia [75][76]) Mario Party 8 (6.72 million)[74] The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (4.52 million)[74] Look at this list, find all the 3rd party games and see if any are above. Are we just going to see the above list again from Nintendo with +1 added to each title name? 3rd parties count a lot and for as many internal studios Sony have (the most out of any platform creators), they've begun to realize that a lot as well - You don't cater well enough for them and they'll ignore/ditch/pass off scraps to you, and SO many developers are multiplatform now. I'm not just talking retail, I'm talking digitally as well. How well is Wiiware doing for Nintendo... yeah there you go. All those figures above are impressive.... for Nintendo, and if you want to say **** the 3rd parties who cares, on you go, but this generation was one of the biggest shifts to seeing how much 3rd parties going multiplatform was. Even the great titles like FF are now multiplatform (mainline title). Can the Wii do FF13? No it gets the crappy spin offs. Edited January 8, 2010 by Audioboxer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smigit Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 ^^^ That points to another big problem Nintendo has and that is it competes far to well with its own third party developers. MS and Sony while behind some titles seem to me to both be generally more transparent about it and more inclined to help push third parties games when its in their interest too. Things such as the Modern Warfare console packs MS sells shows they will jump behind third parties at times along with them being willing to throw money at gaining exclusive content ect (such as DLC). Maybe I'm wrong but that seems a far cry away from Nintendo and every press conference I feel its Mario, Zelda, Pokemon or the new Peripherals which dominate the show rather than any love for their partnering studios. They seem fine with this but and I guess while they sell hardware and games like they are they may as well. As before but I do wonder what will happen if they can't launch the follow up to the wii with another game with the reception that Wii Sports had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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