Emn1ty Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 ... Sorry what? :laugh:I've never understood Halo. Well that's a lie, I can see the appeal of the first. It was a decent console shooter but the rest are average at best. While Bungie were still making their clinical by numbers shooter other studios were trying new things. So Forge, Theater, equipment, weapon triangle, shield systems, horde AI, physical water, etc. aren't new? Halo practically invented the basis for games like CoD and most every other console shooter. If you want to get mad at them for not doing new things, understand that most console shooters today are copy-pasted from the original Halo system as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Lyle Global Moderator Posted January 8, 2010 Global Moderator Share Posted January 8, 2010 I would personally like to see FF13 become the best selling game. Halo Reach is just another copy, paste and skin job by Bungie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahhell Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 So is Halo: Reach going to be an original game or just another ****ty Halo 3 copy/paste/save as like ODST? Then again, it is Bungie so I'm going with ****ty Halo 3 clone. The lemmings will buy it of course just because of the hype. *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookie Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Halo practically invented the basis for games like CoD and most every other console shooter. If you want to get mad at them for not doing new things, understand that most console shooters today are copy-pasted from the original Halo system as well. Granted Halo probably gave the world a shield system. Everything else you mentioned had either been done (we could record demos on the PC in Half Life 1 - 1998) or is completely irrelevant- like Forge. It did, however, prove there was a market for console shooters if the controls aren't badly C&P'ed from the PC. Though better games came before it for example Timesplitters. But it doesn't change the fact that it was, no, still is the Fisher Price of the shooter genre and is VERY over rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aero_Rising Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Maybe we don't understand Halo because we're not 14? Not really i'm 16 going to be 17 in a month and I still like it. So Forge, Theater, equipment, weapon triangle, shield systems, horde AI, physical water, etc. aren't new? Halo practically invented the basis for games like CoD and most every other console shooter. If you want to get mad at them for not doing new things, understand that most console shooters today are copy-pasted from the original Halo system as well. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emn1ty Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Granted Halo probably gave the world a shield system. Everything else you mentioned had either been done (we could record demos on the PC in Half Life 1 - 1998) or is completely irrelevant- like Forge. It did, however, prove there was a market for console shooters if the controls aren't badly C&P'ed from the PC. Though better games came before it for example Timesplitters. But it doesn't change the fact that it was, no, still is the Fisher Price of the shooter genre and is VERY over rated. Hah. HL had nearly nothing on Halo save for the genre. HL1 was more linear than Halo, had an entirely different health and weapon system as well as a completely different story pacing and development background. Now I'm not saying HL did not do things for the FPS genre nor that Halo is better than it. But saying Halo is anything close to a HL port on the consoles is a real ignorant statement. It irritates me that people are so hardpressed to hate Halo every chance they get, even going so far as completely ignoring the obvious inventions and innovations the game as made such as the weapon triangle, melee system and health/shield system. It was also one of the first to create non-linear (albeit somewhat sparsly so) levels. On top of it there was an award winning MP experience alongside an engaging campaign. It is by no means a "child's" game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahhell Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Not really i'm 16 going to be 17 in a month and I still like it. You sure proved him wrong!! :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason S. Global Moderator Posted January 8, 2010 Global Moderator Share Posted January 8, 2010 wtf is a dark horse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookie Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 (edited) Not really i'm 16 going to be 17 in a month and I still like it. Gah, you just made coffee shoot through my nose! :laugh: wtf is a dark horse? A underdog, didn't expect much but it delivers. Bit like Batman last year. Looked cack and turned out to be one of the best games of the year. Edited January 8, 2010 by Spookie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusuf M. Veteran Posted January 8, 2010 Veteran Share Posted January 8, 2010 Let's stay on topic folks. Thread Cleaned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xilo Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Original Halo felt like a copy of Unreal Tournament for the console. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green_Eye Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 It's cool to hate Halo yo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted January 8, 2010 Member Share Posted January 8, 2010 If Halo:Reach brings something new to the series and is a good game then it might be the top seller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+InsaneNutter MVC Posted January 8, 2010 MVC Share Posted January 8, 2010 I'm saying Pokemon HGSS could be a Dark Horse. Agreed, remake of the best Pokemon game ever. Thought Crackdown 2 might be on there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookie Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 But saying Halo is anything close to a HL port on the consoles is a real ignorant statement. I didn't say anything of the sort, I said the PC had some of the features you called unique (even though they add nothing to the gameplay) had already been done. It irritates me that people are so hardpressed to hate Halo every chance they get, even going so far as completely ignoring the obvious inventions and innovations the game as made such as the weapon triangle, melee system and health/shield system. It was also one of the first to create non-linear (albeit somewhat sparsly so) levels. On top of it there was an award winning MP experience alongside an engaging campaign. It is by no means a "child's" game. Hardpressed to hate Halo? What on earth are you talking about. I said the game is average in the grand scheme of things. It was a good console shooter. It was trapped in development hell for such a long period of time (was going to be on the PS2) that it may have been better had it come out sooner. As for ignoring it's obvious inventions I already acknowledged the regenerating health, everything else you mentioned was either a massive gimmick or irrelevant to the gameplay. Deus Ex & System Shock 2 had done true and proper non-linear levels way before Halo too. Hell talking of SS2 & Deus Ex I'd say they did more for the shooter genre than Halo. How many shooters now have some sort of RPG element to them? Cliffy B even said: "The Future Of Shooters Is RPGs". Or even how about Battlefield 2? They started introducing RPG elements and unlocks to MP games. Which Infinity Ward picked up on and refined in CoD4 introducing perks. Now things have done a complete circle and DICE have introduced tactics/perks to BC2. But that's slightly off topic. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiRox Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 I'm keen to see Alan Wake though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emn1ty Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Out of courtesy for the topic at hand I'm moving to PM's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minifig Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Wow, what a bad year for gaming for me... Cataclysm and Dante's Inferno..That's.. about it. I may rent Final Fantasy 14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troist Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Off Topic: There is a reason Halo is immensely popular, its not because everyone aged 14 likes the name Halo so they went out and bought the game, its because its a pretty fun game. It might not have done wonders for the world of gaming, but in my eyes what Halo did is show that console FPS gaming is not impossible, and showed online console gaming could be really fun. Halo 2 was the first game I played online on a games console for more than 5 minutes, because I was being matched against equal opponents, on a game that worked on a console so amazingly. Sure, Timesplitters felt right too, and as such has its place in history, but Halo combined that gameplay with a good online system which made it so much more replayable. Halo 3 came around and refined all the game a lot graphically and added a few new features, but mostly kept the same winning formula they had with Halo 2. I'm not a Halo fanboy, I haven't even bought ODST and don't intend to, but I do appreciate the games a lot and know they are very good games. On Topic: I'm really surprised Pokemon isn't on there?! Surely thats expected to sell like hotcakes in Japan :p I'm really looking forward to the Dark Horses over the main games tbh... Been waiting for some of those games for ages (Alan Wake, Heavy Rain, Brink and ME2 mostly) I don't understand their last statistics... They say FPSes will become 12.6% less popular, and 9.1% more popular?! Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted January 9, 2010 Author Subscriber² Share Posted January 9, 2010 Wow, what a bad year for gaming for me... Cataclysm and Dante's Inferno..That's.. about it.I may rent Final Fantasy 14. Damn you must be hard to impress. 2010 look to be better than 1998 for me, and that year was legendary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minifig Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Damn you must be hard to impress. :rofl: . More like, more broke than a dropped China plate and extremely picky what I spend my cash on via gaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted January 9, 2010 Veteran Share Posted January 9, 2010 Damn you must be hard to impress.2010 look to be better than 1998 for me, and that year was legendary. 2007 ftw Nothing has beat it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted January 9, 2010 Author Subscriber² Share Posted January 9, 2010 2007 ftwNothing has beat it Nah I can't go that recent my childhood memories of PS1 days cannot be topped, especially with the lineup from that year. That's just me though, doesn't really matter what anyone else thinks :p My experiences are different from everyone elses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smigit Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 It'll be interesting to see what happens but I wouldn't be suprised if Halo isn't the game to take the mantle...I think something else will do it although what title that is I can't imagine right now. As for the whole ODST thing...that sort of hurt the Halo name for me. I found it to be a rather bellow average game and one I completed in two sittings. I'm just not sure what they wanted to achieve with it to be honest...it felt more like a way to push the multiplayer map pack for Halo 3 to those that didn't have them already as opposed to providing a solid single player campaign. Hopefully they can do something with Reach otherwise I'd be tempted to let another developer take a shot at developing a title as has come up in rumors in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandalsquad Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Maybe we don't understand Halo because we're not 14? Hmm considering the original Halo was released 9 years ago and alot of people have grown up with it, its going to sell well. You gont have to be the typical 14 year old sterotype playing the game, alot of me and my mates well into our 20's still love the series its a fun console multiplayer FPS and thats all there is to it. I hope GT5 sells like mad, how long its been in development and how long sony fans have been waiting for it. Turn10 have got 2 games out the door in less time which by no shot are small and **** developed games and the best races we have had this gen to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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