Is m$ ever going to come out with "completely" new os?


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Just wanted to see if anyone might have in inside if m$ is going to come out with an os that is completely new. XP was being hyped up to fit this bill but again it's just other os's updated and modified. I'm talkin' like how the transition from 3.1 to 95 was. Are we ever going to see something like this ever again?

One other thing....does anyone else find it strange that when XP first came out it was so rock solid, uncrashable, with limited device driver availability. Then as all device drivers for "XP" came out and here come all the problems........kind of strange. Usually the other way around. :ermm:

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I'd almost argue that Windows 2000 was a completely new OS. They built it from the ground up, which is why it took so long to complete.

I know its another OS in the NT line, but code wise, I thought it was redone from scratch?

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yes, windows blackcomb (.NET) will be entirely written from scratch, and it will probably be the biggest technology jump since 3.1->9x. it's supposed to be built on a brand new SQL filesystem and be able to run applications like microsoft office from an internet stream(!). we've seen some blurry video grabs from the blackcomb user interface, and as you can see, things are going to change RADICALLY. yes, soon we will have to SUBSCRIBE to some software, but then again, i don't bother ... i'll be able to afford subscriptions by then. bad luck for the warez community, i suppose!

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i know this is gonna be a stupid question, but i have to ask anyway, i know windowsxp is 32bit , n the new blackcom will be 64bit, what is the different between 32 n 64 what different will that 32bit makes, will thing run faster or what???

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I think there are some misunderstandings. First...no I don't use Aol and I know XP was a huge project and upgrade. I used the 3.1 to 95 as an example. Since win95 m$ has used pretty much the same structure. The interface has been similiar, file groupings, behaviour etc. When 95 was released most didn't even know what to do because it was so different. I wanted to see if there was going to be a os in the future that will have this kind of drastic change. Completely knew structure, interface, behaviour, etc.

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Windows 2000 was based on NT4. Only thing rewritten was NTOSKRNL.EXE.

Blackcomb will be written from scratch. It'll be backwards compatible to Win2K/XP with a Windows-on-Windows layer like Win2K/XP run Win3.1 programs atm. At least people speculate that. It's time that MS starts from ground up, because you can't use a 7-8 year old kernel for new technologies anymore. (NT3.1 = 1993). And the SQL based filesystem is something I can't await. SQL Server itself is already ****ing fast, so if it runs natively instead of running on NTFS, it must rock.

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Originally posted by YahoKa

We need completely new hardware before we get a completely new OS.

of course, if the 64-bit-blackcomb speculations are true, it will only run on 64-bit-processors, which are nowadays only used on server or (graphical) workstation systems.

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can't use a 7-8 year old kernel for new technologies anymore. (NT3.1 = 1993).

Errr.... NT didn't start with 3.1 :D

Actually M$ didn't even 'invent' that one.... they 'stole' it from IBM ;)

NT was to be OS/2 but M$ decided to do their own ****, so they created NT around the technology of the OS/2-Kernel...

IBM created OS/2 but didn't support it correctly, didn't advertise for it, etc. (We all know that saaaaaad story... *sigh* OS/2 was so much better... :) /me has even got 2 servers running on OS/2 4.51 - SuperStable :cool: )

blargh :D

I wanna see a desktop-able *nix not only freaks can use ;)

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Originally posted by 8tImER

Errr.... NT didn't start with 3.1 :D

Actually M$ didn't even 'invent' that one.... they 'stole' it from IBM ;)

NT was to be OS/2 but M$ decided to do their own ****, so they created NT around the technology of the OS/2-Kernel...

IBM created OS/2 but didn't support it correctly, didn't advertise for it, etc. (We all know that saaaaaad story... *sigh* OS/2 was so much better... :) /me has even got 2 servers running on OS/2 4.51 - SuperStable :cool: )

blargh :D

I wanna see a desktop-able *nix not only freaks can use ;)

emm, the very fist NT version was 3.1 :roll:

then 3.51, 4.0, 5.0, 5.1...

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i know this is gonna be a stupid question, but i have to ask anyway, i know windowsxp is 32bit , n the new blackcom will be 64bit, what is the different between 32 n 64 what different will that 32bit makes, will thing run faster or what???

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To get a better idea of 32/64 bits, just pick a large number of your head, to the order of at least 2. Then divide by 32 or 64. Which result is less? Less is better. If you want to send say a page of words the size of what you thought of in your head, in bits, that's how many times you have to send to get the whole page through. So therefore less number of times is better and faster assuming that it takes the same amount of time to do a 32-bit or 64-bit transfer.

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Hey all, I found this microsoft research team clip that astonished me. The URL was @ BetaONE.Net. Also, if you look for a program called Win3d, it will give you a pretty good idea of how the next real NEW windows shall be...at least from the standpoint of the MS research clip.

BTW - Merry Christmas

PEACE

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it's never gonna change radically... think about usability issues man, not too many companies are gonna pay to re-train their employees to use a completely different os, that's why the interface's been the same for a while... the technology behind it is gonna change though

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Eventually the GUI will change for the better, even if it is a drastic change. Blackcomb will probably have these changes. I also think that the changes in Windows XP are part of a trend that will play a big role in the interface in Blackcomb.

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