Apple Ad Shows iPad With Flash


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You saw it here first, folks. In Apple's official video the iPad, they show the New York Times being used. Looks pretty nice right? Well, unless the Times has a special iPad version of the site that switches HTML5 out when it detects Apple mobile products (btw, check current iPhone version of the Times below), THE IPAD HAS FLASH.

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http://9to5mac.com/apple-flash-ipad-3954934055

Interesting development; fake OS composited onto the hardware, or perhaps it was running 4.0?

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Pretty sure it's fake, else Adobe wouldn't have released that press release yesterday saying that it's entirely Apple's fault that flash doesn't work. Apple couldn't release flash without adobe so...

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Like it or not Flash is widely used and the device need flash to experience the full web (or whatever they said on the keynote). HTML5 can replace video but what about games, apps, and website done in flash?

Apple should give us at least the option but I don't think is going to happen.

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Many Apple apologists say that Flash sucks (I use Mac too, but I'm not that kind of Mac fan), consumes too much CPU power, drains batteries, isn't a standard, or whatever - but yeah, I have to agree with KoL here in that it indeed is necessary for many aspects of the web. Everything from streaming video to games and simple web page navigation. There are big sites out there that don't even support non-Flash.

Yes: this all sucks. The entire web should be able to be experienced in some non-Flash way, so we don't have to rely on third-party plugins. But it isn't. So the iPad should adjust.

I've even heard voices that say it's good that the iPad doesn't do Flash, to push harder for HTML 5 video & canvas support, but jeez... This is nothing Adobe or Big Sites That Use Flash will care about unless the iPad sells shockingly well, which I doubt will happen.

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Like it or not Flash is widely used and the device need flash to experience the full web (or whatever they said on the keynote). HTML5 can replace video but what about games, apps, and website done in flash?

Apple should give us at least the option but I don't think is going to happen.

For games and apps? There is an app store for that. Apple don't want Flash because is can sell the same game (or a similar one) and make profit.

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Apple doctoring photos to make the iPad more capable than it is? Couldn't that be construed as false advertising?

Advertising is always false, I mean skewed truth.

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For games and apps? There is an app store for that. Apple don't want Flash because is can sell the same game (or a similar one) and make profit.

I know but with a tablet like that I should be able to enjoy flash games too. I play those flash games on Facebook and it would be nice lay down in a couch and enjoy those in the iPad. I'm one of those that will probably get one, but still Flash is one of the things I would like on it.

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Advertising is always false, I mean skewed truth.

Yeah, but Apple is clearly showing the iPad to be doing something it cannot do, unless Flash is coming in a future firmware update.

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Yeah, but Apple is clearly showing the iPad to be doing something it cannot do, unless Flash is coming in a future firmware update.

It's most likely that they HAVE Flash running in iPad/iPhone Safari but they deliberately omit it from the devices unless they are forced into the corner and finally have to include it.

So it's probably that for the purposes of misleading the public to show full browsing experience they enabled flash to work on iPad for the commercials.

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It's most likely that they HAVE Flash running in iPad/iPhone Safari but they deliberately omit it from the devices unless they are forced into the corner and finally have to include it.

So it's probably that for the purposes of misleading the public to show full browsing experience they enabled flash to work on iPad for the commercials.

And thus, is that not false advertising?

I mean, Apple's product literature and the words of Steve Jobs himself tell me the iPad is the "best Web experience I'll ever have." How can that be the case if Flash support is not enabled?

False advertising is when something is promised that later isn't there. Like if I bought a car because the dealer told me it could go 200 MPH, then I find the engine only goes up to 80 MPH. That's false advertising that I could file a lawsuit over. So, for Apple to clearly show Flash support in their commercials, but then disable it for actual, everyday use and THEN claim it's the best Internet experience ever... That's some major legal gray matter right there.

And this is one of the reasons I really hate Apple's corporate attitude.

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Apple Corrects iPad Promo Video to Show No Flash Capability

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In response to confusion surrounding the iPad promotion video, Apple has replaced the video with a more accurate version.

The iPad promo video originally had mocked up scenes showing the iPad browsing the New York Times complete with visible Adobe Flash content. The finding generated some hope and speculation that Apple might incorporate Flash in the future. In response to the confusion, Apple has replaced the video now showing the broken Flash plug-in icon that would show up in real world use.

Apple's decision not to incorporate Flash into their iPhone OS has been a controversial one, but a stand they've remained consistent with over time.

Macrumors

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The Worst part of the whole no flash on the iPhone / iPod Touch, is that it is not Adobe that has not been willing to do it its Apple!

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its very noticeable that something is missing now :)

Indeed, apparently the complete browsing experience (in an advertisement no less) includes many blue Lego blocks.

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People are crying foul, but I'm one of those "apologists" who thinks it's a good thing. A few points that I can see:

  1. Many Flash games require a physical keyboard and/or a cursor (and thusly, a mouse). No go on the iPad.
  2. Adobe has a very poor track record of OS X (the iPhone OS is based off of OS X) development. In the case of video (specifically HD): imagine taking something that doesn't even run well on a 2.26GHz Core 2 Duo and makes a 2.66GHz Core i5 machine rev up and putting it on a 1GHz ARM processor. Ouch. I remember that when I hacked my Apple TV to run Boxee (so I could watch Hulu), I immediately reversed it because Hulu was just plain unwatchable because it was so choppy.
  3. JavaScript can take up plenty of CPU power as well, but JavaScript can also degrade gracefully. Apple is also committed to making sure that JavaScript runs smoothly, and you can even see that on the iPhone. Adobe doesn't have quite the same commitment to Flash, it seems.
  4. Flash has no real competition. Sorry Silverlight, you're fine and all, but you've got no penetration. I'd rather the browsers duke it out to see who can implement the best HTML5 support instead of just relying on one company to create some little plugin for them.

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It's most likely that they HAVE Flash running in iPad/iPhone Safari but they deliberately omit it from the devices unless they are forced into the corner and finally have to include it.

So it's probably that for the purposes of misleading the public to show full browsing experience they enabled flash to work on iPad for the commercials.

You'd think Adobe would say something, if they were providing versions of Flash to Apple but Apple was saying it was bad.

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In regards to providing flash in their promo.... please show me one demonstration on TV/online that doesn't have "simulated images" as their interface on a device?? Granted, it is wrong to show it, but isn't showing a phone/device with resolution/capabilities or even worse the speed in which it works wrong too? but no one is crying foul on that?

It's marketing and nothing more, right? At least "us" know what the said device is capable of because of research and/or technical expertise.

On a side note it is good to see they removed it. And maybe it's because they didn't add simulated images/display.

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For games and apps? There is an app store for that. Apple don't want Flash because is can sell the same game (or a similar one) and make profit.

This.

This is the answer. Keeping flash off = more money for apple. Everything about their products is a giant monopoly... it angers me when the EU bitches about Microsoft including an INTERNET BROWSER in their operating system. Geesh, even iTunes "includes" an internet browser if you're blind enough.

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Pretty sure that most SOCs have some form of acceleration for playback of 1080p or at least 720p, how adobe would go about using that on a mobile device beats me though :p

It would be apples ballcourt to allow access to it :p

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This.

This is the answer. Keeping flash off = more money for apple. Everything about their products is a giant monopoly... it angers me when the EU bitches about Microsoft including an INTERNET BROWSER in their operating system. Geesh, even iTunes "includes" an internet browser if you're blind enough.

Unfortunately until Apple owns enough of the market share, They can pull these types of scams. I make a point of this in why I switched to apple. In the fact that because they can create the unity in their OS compared to Windows.

But is really running embedded flash on a webpage that important? When you look at a webpage designed for flash you have to take in consideration the graphics on the page is geared to a certain resolution. And the standard is 1024x768 or 640x480, correct? Do you really miss watching an ad? or seeing a page that you have to scroll on? I'd rather see a properly formatted mobile web enabled page!

Why should a browser circumvent that? Why should the developer accommodate for all these different types of browsers? Create a standard UI for desktops and a mobile UI. Because iPad,iPhone, Android, Windows Mobile are NOT desktop browsers... and we should have variants of both. I personally like having a slimed down version on my phone.

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BTW I'm drunk, but I know I've created enough websites and attempt to play nice with everyone and every browser. I've never designed action script/flash programs but I can only imagine the nightmare it would take to make a website that was able adjust to mobile needs. I don't feel that is adobe's job to suite everyones needs. But the sites. This is why I like mobile sites. Now ipad/nexus have high resolutions but they don't have the horsepower to power these applications...

why should it be left on the websites/developers table.. You guys act like it's just adobe that gets hurt by this..

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For games and apps? There is an app store for that. Apple don't want Flash because is can sell the same game (or a similar one) and make profit.

I think that's the big issue... That's why Apple isn't allowing Flash on the iPhone / iPod Touch/ iPad... Good point.

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You'd think Adobe would say something, if they were providing versions of Flash to Apple but Apple was saying it was bad.

Adobe don't need to send flash versions to apple.. Apple need's to implement Flash.

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