Ayepecks Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Just wondering, but why are articles posted on the main Neowin page not allowed to be posted on BPN? It's allowed conversely, and it seems to make less sense that way... I mean, if I want to continue talking about a news article, I don't want to go to the main page and find the article. Plus the forum format is just so much more appealing. Just wondering the reasoning behind it. dead.cell 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTwister Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Because the Mods said so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Star Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 I think it's because they don't want two different discussions to be going on about the same thing in two different places. So they want to keep it centralized. I would rather have it that if you want to comment on a news post, you would be commenting on the forum topic of that news post. It's just easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markwolfe Veteran Posted February 1, 2010 Veteran Share Posted February 1, 2010 They have allowed and not allowed this in the past. There isn't too much of a cut and dried rule on this. Especially if the BPN is posted first. ;) As for me, I have always thought it was good to have a BPN thread on a news item. Discussion on the Front page gets pushed out of relevance rather quickly, and no longer appears. Discussion in BPN can go on for weeks, if the article merits it. And people can easily follow up on replies. I think it is stupid to close BPN threads just because there is a FPN article (that will be pushed off the front page in a couple of days). But that's just me. It's a staff decision. It just isn't very consistent. sudo and kev64 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share Posted February 1, 2010 They have allowed and not allowed this in the past. There isn't too much of a cut and dried rule on this. Especially if the BPN is posted first. ;) As for me, I have always thought it was good to have a BPN thread on a news item. Discussion on the Front page gets pushed out of relevance rather quickly, and no longer appears. Discussion in BPN can go on for weeks, if the article merits it. And people can easily follow up on replies. I think it is stupid to close BPN threads just because there is a FPN article (that will be pushed off the front page in a couple of days). But that's just me. It's a staff decision. It just isn't very consistent. Yeah, that's precisely why I was curious as to the reasoning behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted February 1, 2010 Member Share Posted February 1, 2010 They have allowed and not allowed this in the past. There isn't too much of a cut and dried rule on this. Especially if the BPN is posted first. ;) As for me, I have always thought it was good to have a BPN thread on a news item. Discussion on the Front page gets pushed out of relevance rather quickly, and no longer appears. Discussion in BPN can go on for weeks, if the article merits it. And people can easily follow up on replies. I think it is stupid to close BPN threads just because there is a FPN article (that will be pushed off the front page in a couple of days). But that's just me. It's a staff decision. It just isn't very consistent. I totally agree with you.I am not much of a fan of the front page format. I prefer the forum format. And I know several forums that have a front page news setup that actually take the time to post the articles on the forums for people to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primexx Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 agreed. I'd be much more inclined to actually discuss a news topic in BPN rather than on the front page. the forum is just that much better at facilitating lengthy talks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted February 2, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted February 2, 2010 Simple answer: To try and get hits on the front page and have articles looked at/replied to on the front page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 Simple answer: To try and get hits on the front page and have articles looked at/replied to on the front page. I don't really know why they'd want the front page to get more hits and the forums to get less. The same advertisements are on the forums, and if people visit the forums to view the BPN clearly they're probably going to be frequent members. It's not going to increase unique visitors by not having stories in the BPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightwind Hawk Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Maybe it would be possible in the future to integrate the FPN into BPN? Each news item on the home page is posted as a topic (perhaps a different color like the Spy uses) and acts like a regular topic at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusuf M. Veteran Posted February 2, 2010 Veteran Share Posted February 2, 2010 I don't really know why they'd want the front page to get more hits and the forums to get less. The same advertisements are on the forums, and if people visit the forums to view the BPN clearly they're probably going to be frequent members. It's not going to increase unique visitors by not having stories in the BPN. More unique visits per news articles = more money for news reporters. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted February 2, 2010 Member Share Posted February 2, 2010 More unique visits per news articles = more money for news reporters. ;) If the articles were posted on both the front page and the forums, couldn't you count the unique visits from both places? Seems to me it would actually be more money for the reporters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusuf M. Veteran Posted February 2, 2010 Veteran Share Posted February 2, 2010 If the articles were posted on both the front page and the forums, couldn't you count the unique visits from both places? Seems to me it would actually be more money for the reporters? As far as I'm aware, news reporters are paid for front-page news articles, not forum articles. Therefore it would make sense for them to only get paid for unique visits on their FPN articles. I remember seeing some FPN articles with a "Discuss this on the forums" link though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markwolfe Veteran Posted February 3, 2010 Veteran Share Posted February 3, 2010 Ok. So closing of BPN discussion is there purely to pay the news writers. At least that is an honest reason. Thanks, Anaron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamwhoiam Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 I don't really know why they'd want the front page to get more hits and the forums to get less. A person may come here just to read a FP article and not be a member. I don't know how it is now with the new coding, but there used to be some restrictions on the information that an unregistered user can see in the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markwolfe Veteran Posted February 3, 2010 Veteran Share Posted February 3, 2010 A person may come here just to read a FP article and not be a member. I don't know how it is now with the new coding, but there used to be some restrictions on the information that an unregistered user can see in the forums. I am sure we all understand that. Conversely, people come here for the forums, and there is no reason (except to push revenue) to close a forum discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwarren Veteran Posted February 3, 2010 Veteran Share Posted February 3, 2010 It's nothing to do with front page hits, not sure why Anaron suggested that. The front page always has double the amount of people viewing it than the forums. The reason we close BPN threads that are already posted main page is because we have covered the item and the discussion is already taking place main page. We are looking into merging previous BPN threads into front page comments once we have covered the news item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamwhoiam Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 It's nothing to do with front page hits, not sure why Anaron suggested that. The front page always has double the amount of people viewing it than the forums. That's a bit of a contradiction, imo, and would suggest the BPN articles ARE closed to get more FP hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeChipshop Member Posted February 3, 2010 Member Share Posted February 3, 2010 That's a bit of a contradiction, imo, and would suggest the BPN articles ARE closed to get more FP hits. I read it as closed so there is no duplicate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markwolfe Veteran Posted February 3, 2010 Veteran Share Posted February 3, 2010 ... The reason we close BPN threads that are already posted main page is because we have covered the item and the discussion is already taking place main page. ...Which is the very relevant point that closing BPN effectively puts a close date on discussion.... We are looking into merging previous BPN threads into front page comments once we have covered the news item.This is an item that has been in discussion for a while (since I was a staffer!). This could solve the problem if done right.If done wrong, then this will also set an "end discussion date" if the thread is no longer visible in the forums. Since this isn't a revenue thing, can not the BPN threads remain open for discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackdoom Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 It's nothing to do with front page hits, not sure why Anaron suggested that. The front page always has double the amount of people viewing it than the forums. The reason we close BPN threads that are already posted main page is because we have covered the item and the discussion is already taking place main page. We are looking into merging previous BPN threads into front page comments once we have covered the news item. This. ;) :laugh: I still believe that the removal of those BPN threads helps the News reporters; which seems fair to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusuf M. Veteran Posted February 3, 2010 Veteran Share Posted February 3, 2010 It's nothing to do with front page hits, not sure why Anaron suggested that. The front page always has double the amount of people viewing it than the forums. The reason we close BPN threads that are already posted main page is because we have covered the item and the discussion is already taking place main page. We are looking into merging previous BPN threads into front page comments once we have covered the news item. I was simply responding to Ayepecks' post about having more hits on FPN articles (as a member). :) Ok. So closing of BPN discussion is there purely to pay the news writers. At least that is an honest reason. Thanks, Anaron. I didn't mean to speak on the behalf of the staff about that one. I was just simply stating what I thought about Ayepecks' post. But as Tom W said, it isn't about front-page hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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