FF13 360 to use Bink for Cutscene Compression


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The back of the box for the Xbox 360 version of Final Fantasy XIII has revealed that the 360 version of the game will utilize Bink video, likely for compression of the game's many cutscenes.

The Bink Video logo is displayed clearly on the back of the box. Bink have special video tools designed for the Xbox 360 and they have been used in RPGs such as Borderlands, Mass Effect and Square Enix's The Last Remnant. The Japanese PS3 version of FF13 did not use Bink.

The Bink webpage indicates that the codec will show 720p video. The Japanese PS3 version of the game had the game's 40+ minutes of FMV encoded at uncompressed 1080p.

US retailer GameStop released the image of the back of the box, which also suggested the game will have Downloadable Content.

Source: http://www.uffsite.net/news/354/ff13-360-to-use-bink-for-cutscene-compression.html

Just as suspected FMVs taking the biggest hit to fit the game onto 3 discs.

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Aren't there already a couple FF13 threads? I don't think its necessary to start a new one each time, especially if you're going to tie it in with the same topic of another thread (3 discs).

Anyways, big deal. 720p really isn't going to be that much different than 1080p for most people.

-Spenser

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Source: http://www.uffsite.n...ompression.html

Just as suspected FMVs taking the biggest hit to fit the game onto 3 discs.

bull****. Bink video has been used for so many games - I don't know why this is even news. On the other hand, using uncompressed videos just because they have space on BD is just stupid.

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bull****. Bink video has been used for so many games - I don't know why this is even news. On the other hand, using uncompressed videos just because they have space on BD is just stupid.

Sounds like you're an in denial XBox user... 1080p is a noticeable difference from 720p. Uncompressed is a noticeable difference from compressed. If they got the room, why not give a better experience? Don't hate because PS3 is getting a better version. :p

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Uncompressed 1080p? That's got to be wrong.

Otherwise they're just wasting space on the blu-ray disk to make it seem like it's better (like that game that had uncompressed audio, which had no real difference over the compressed form except the massive file size)

Edit: Yeah, I think it's wrong, 40 minutes of uncompressed 1080p content should come in around 430GB

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Uncompressed is a noticeable difference from compressed. If they got the room, why not give a better experience? Don't hate because PS3 is getting a better version. :p

alas, i dont think that is really how it works... even blu ray movies use compression, and i dont think the bluray drive in the ps3 is fast enough to stream uncompressed 1080p video in realtime...

Edit: Yeah, I think it's wrong, 40 minutes of uncompressed 1080p content should come in around 430GB

i think 'uncompressed' is a relative term... like whatever FF13 PS3 uses would have less compression than Bink

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Uncompressed 1080p? That's got to be wrong.

Otherwise they're just wasting space on the blu-ray disk to make it seem like it's better (like that game that had uncompressed audio, which had no real difference over the compressed form except the massive file size)

Edit: Yeah, I think it's wrong, 40 minutes of uncompressed 1080p content should come in around 430GB

Actually, it would come in at approximately 444.95 GB. ;)

And that's with a bit rate of 189.84375 MB/s (or 1518.75 Mbit/s) at 24fps. I may be wrong but isn't there a bit rate limit for Blu-ray Discs?

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I dont really see how this is news. Jeez, bink is used in countless games. And as far as bluray goes bitrate limit for movies is 54mbits. Thou ive yet to see a movie that goes above 40 mbps mark.

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So we have confirmed that the 360 version is getting 720p compressed video compared to the PS3's 1080p video. Interesting stuff. I am still getting the 360 version because of the controller and acheevos though.

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Sounds like you're an in denial XBox user... 1080p is a noticeable difference from 720p. Uncompressed is a noticeable difference from compressed. If they got the room, why not give a better experience? Don't hate because PS3 is getting a better version. tongue.gif

lolwut? :laugh: I wasn't talking about video res but Audio's deduction that "FF13 is taking biggest hit because video is compressed using Bink". If you had bothered to read the article that I linked instead of jumping onto me then probably you could've reached a long list of games that used Bink.

FTR, 1080p is noticeable from 720p only when you have big enough screen and when you are sitting in a large enough room (distance from screen). Uncompressed is a noticeable difference from compressed? only if you use lousy compression methods.

I don't care if PS3 is getting a "better version" or not. I am not into FF anyway.

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lolwut? :laugh: I wasn't talking about video res but Audio's deduction that "FF13 is taking biggest hit because video is compressed using Bink". If you had bothered to read the article that I linked instead of jumping onto me then probably you could've reached a long list of games that used Bink.

FTR, 1080p is noticeable from 720p only when you have big enough screen and when you are sitting in a large enough room (distance from screen). Uncompressed is a noticeable difference from compressed? only if you use lousy compression methods.

I don't care if PS3 is getting a "better version" or not. I am not into FF anyway.

Jeeez for that comment you sure pulled out the big guns earlier :laugh:

bull****. Bink video has been used for so many games - I don't know why this is even news. On the other hand, using uncompressed videos just because they have space on BD is just stupid.

Yeah lets not put better quality video on the disc because the space is there, we might as well leave the space doing nothing, gamers will prefer that.

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Jeeez for that comment you sure pulled out the big guns earlier laugh.gif

Yeah lets not put better quality video on the disc because the space is there, we might as well leave the space doing nothing, gamers will prefer that.

I am not sure where you are going with this but common sense != big guns pinch.gif Just read the posts by The_Decryptor why "uncompressed video" is "stupid". All games use some kind of compression and your OP hinted as if using Bink is something new or bad in a video game.

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I am not sure where you are going with this but common sense != big guns pinch.gif Just read the posts by The_Decryptor why "uncompressed video" is "stupid". All games use some kind of compression and your OP hinted as if using Bink is something new or bad in a video game.

No one is saying Bink is bad, and the original article is worded poorly, of course it won't be uncompressed video, it'll be AVC most likely like most Blu Ray film releases at 1080p, and 360 version will utilize Bink at 720p.

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This is a pretty uninteresting article. Its basically just pointing out that the game contains Bink video...

Bink is a pretty good codec, and I've never noticed signs of compression in Bink... Its pretty good at its job tbh. Soooo many games use it and I've never complained about them before.

Also, the thing about 720p is presumably coming from the recommended data rates table, which is just listing the common data rates for Bink videos. You can hardly make any assumptions from that because its just recommendations, not a definitive table saying these are the only things that Bink supports.

Didn't we have some other more reliable confirmation that the 360 version uses 720p?

I would like to point out that I'm not an "in denial 360 user" like I'm sure I'll be accused of soon enough, and I will in fact be buying FF13 for PS3, but this article seems pretty pointless to me.

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Not a console gamer, don't own consoles, but...

I would rather have a console that has smoother framerate and has games look better during gameplay instead of a console that has 40 minutes of 1080p losslessly compressed cutscenes. (Y)

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I don't see this as being a big deal. The difference I would think would be rather minimal, and I'm sure the video for the PS3 version is compressed in some way anyway... Personally I would prefer that they put video on the disc of lesser quality than remove textures or in game content as they have done in the past for other console versions (Not on the XBox 360)...

And personally, I don't agree that this means that the PS3 is getting a "better version" either... Improved video is hardly a selling point for me. Now, if in game was drastically improved on the PS3, or content were missing on the XBox, that would be a "better version", but video is hardly that big a deal...

Not a console gamer, don't own consoles, but...

I would rather have a console that has smoother framerate and has games look better during gameplay instead of a console that has 40 minutes of 1080p losslessly compressed cutscenes. (Y)

I agree. :)

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I love how if all of a sudden you question it your a "denial xbox 360 user". This game was built on the sony platform and will take advantage of it, the fact its on 360 is a big deal for all 360 users. Im not a FF fan and even I WOULD get the game on PS3 before 360 just because I know what they favor.

Its like metal gear solid rising. When Kojima announced it he stated that this game will be built from scratch for the 360 and still be on the ps3. So this game will be interesting to see on the 360 and i will definitely way my options when we know more info. But FF13 we all know will be perfected on ps3, the fact they considered 360 was a big deal, and even then there gonna put enough time into making a quality version for 360, but they have been sony and ps for a long time, and they will perfect the game on the "home" platform. Thats a given.

Now, whats also funny is, this is a bit off topic but Sonys Biggest Exclusive that should be 1080p, isnt. Im talking about GOW3. The fact that the game that was delayed a few times, and is sonys money maker besides GT5, isnt in 1080p. Now what are sony people gonna say? "Oh theres no difference, its perfectly fine at 720p". But yet there in this thread arguring that the 1080p of FF13 is better then the 720p FF13. You know why? Only because its the ps3 vs 360. Since GOW3 is only PS3, they will argue that 720p is MORE then well enough for them and that 1080p isnt a big deal. Why are we arguring about FF then?

Honestly, If the game looks good I can give a rats *** what resolution it is. On my PC ive never played at the highest resolution available for the game or monitor. Ive always had a PC that can handle all the games I play on high @ max resolution but I choose to game @ 1280*720 instead of my monitors native 1080. Only reason I choose it is because that resolution has looked good to me. I hate higher resolutions because everything is smaller. Like on my desktop, in 1920*1080 is real small, i cant stand it. But at 1280*720, I love my desktop. I use to game at 1024*768 perfectly and still continued too, but when im playing a game and my second monitor sits there with a jumbled up screen because the resolution of the game is clashing with the second monitor, i had to match it. It took me a while to get use to 1280 on BF2, Cod4, etc. The only real difference I noticed was the text. Other then that all my settings have been on high besides aa/af, thats always been 0 or 1. I dont see a difference.

Regardless of my rambling, my point is, People will ALWAYS compare both systems, and I myself am sick of comparing them too. Now if devs were able to harness the power of the PS3 it would be a GREAT system, but the fact that they cant, is what makes the 360 a more wanted system. Idk why sony f'ed up with the ps3(yes my opinion, relax there ab and everyone else) but I believe they went from ps2 which has SO many games, to the PS3 which has a handful. The 360 replaced what the PS2 was last gen and the ps3 replaced what the xbox was last gen. Its true, do the comparison. The regular xbox had its games, but not many. The PS2 had/has PLENTY of games. There will be a used market for it for a few years down the line, i will honestly say well into the next gen, the way the ps2 is. Ive seen games ive never heard of or knew were on the ps2 come into work. Its amazing how many games it had and it truly was a awesome system, i use to/still do love my brothers ps2.

Anyway, The point is, no one can complain and b***h about either sides when theres always a difference. What sucks is, GOW3 wont be in 1080p which personally I think it would look SICK in, it looks SICK already playing the DEMO, but 1080p would of been sick, there would of been SLIGHT difference but it would of been SICK nonetheless. Whats worse is Dante's Inferno which is basically a rip off of GOW3, is full 1080p on both systems. The commerical for it during the super bowl was even amazing. The figuring I just got for reserving the game is sick to. I plan on buying this game because its gonna fill that GOW void ive had for awhile. I still plan on buying GOW3 Ultimate Edition, but thats because its for my brother, I myself will play the game but am disappointed sony choose to not go all out on the game like they said they would.

In the end each side will be have its pros and cons. Suck it up and deal with it. Lets quit arguring like kids. Facts are facts, keep pointing those out but people will have there opinion.

P.S. This is all what I think. I will quit b***hing to you AB about what you post, but sometimes you do come off as a smart *** and it only bothers me because you "sit" there thinking your right. Now you will have the facts, and you always have them when posting, but do realize that sometimes, SONY DOES MESS UP. I dont care there reasoning, everyone has there reasoning but it gets overlooked. But when its sony it HAS TO BE JUSTIFIED. Im done fighting with you, a lot of the threads you make are quality, but the constant arguring im done with. There thats my "apology to you, take it or not".

To the rest, just chill when you read my post, im not attacking a specific group, im talking about ALL of US as a whole.

Also, I picked up a BRAND NEW 60GB PS3 :) Full BC, no scratches, the guy basically NEVER played it. He used it about 40 hours a month for the last 3 years, and played a few games but mostly movies. I tested the system before we took it in and I was VERY proud of it. Original box, equipment etc. He sold it to us for cash. Didnt buy a 360 or anything, but didnt want the PS3 anymore. All I have to say is, I picked up a brand new 60GB for $250. I plan on opening it up and redoing the paste. ATM its running 138F idle. Just on. I felt heat coming out, stuck a thermal probe in there to the main heatsink, so my temps arent EXACT or realistic, I just plan on redoing the paste just for my O.K. before I start using it. But I do believe this is the BEST VERSION of the PS3 sony made ever.

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Well, I won't beat this around more than it has already, but Binks been around for a very long time and is used in quite a lot of games, not only console BUT PC as well! I've seen the logo pop up on some pc versions from time to time.

In the end, 1080p is just a res, you can get it with quite a wide range of bitrates so in the end the video could very well still be 1080p but with a low enough bitrate that it gives them the space gain they need. We'll know for sure when the game comes out anyways, but even if it is 720p we're talking FMVs here, does it really matter? If the game itself looks good and plays good then the rest is like a bonus.

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Bink isn't a bad codec by any means, loads of PC games use it.

If the 360 had the storage then it would have got 1080p video too, its quite simply a limitation they've had to adjust for. PS3 has the additional space so why not 1080p?

Even if I did have a 360 I would still get the PS3 version. I hate multiple discs and the console is quieter.

Have they said anything about the PS3 codec? Bink (maybe), MP4 AVC, MP4 VC-1...?

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Woah all I did was post the differences between video (FMV) quality and you guys turned it into this?

No wonder some of the vets around here can't hack this place at times, if you're not bothered fine, but people don't need to start console war rants/attacking the poster, things are the way they are due to disc sizing.

This topic was allowed wasn't it? Suck it up, I can post whatever news I want that's relevant to gaming.

ps. Jesus Christ Sikh.

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