George P Global Moderator Posted February 13, 2010 Global Moderator Share Posted February 13, 2010 /facepalm The PS3 will be getting native 1080p FMVs, 360 is not. Now you understand the difference between native and upscaled, correct? Again why I kept trying to tell you the game engine does not = the resolution/quality of FMV playback. I'm going around in circles here, you simple can't understand my point at all can you? Maybe I should bold some stuff and or use caps to try and help you here. For the last damn time, and try to follow please. I never said the game res and fmv res are the same! And stop bringing up the ps3's native 1080p FMVs, we know, we get it, happy now? I've been talking about the 360 version from the start. My whole point, and I'll state it over yet again for you, is that since the game itself is 720p native and upscaled, the issue about fmvs on the 360 being upscaled as well is not so much of an issue anymore. You don't seem to want to just let this go for some reason though. You have your native 1080p FMVs, yay! *claps*. Maybe if all I cared about was the FMVs we could keep this little game going back and forth till you got your fill, but I care about the game itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted February 13, 2010 Author Subscriber² Share Posted February 13, 2010 I'm going around in circles here, you simple can't understand my point at all can you? Maybe I should bold some stuff and or use caps to try and help you here. For the last damn time, and try to follow please. I said the game res and fmv res are the same! And stop bringing up the ps3's native 1080p FMVs, we know, we get it, happy now? My whole point, and I'll state it over yet again for you, is that since the game itself is 720p native and upscaled, the issue about fmvs on the 360 being upscaled as well is not so much of an issue anymore. You don't seem to want to just let this go for some reason though. You have your native 1080p FMVs, yay! *claps*. Maybe if all I cared about was the FMVs we could keep this little game going back and forth till you got your fill, but I care about the game itself. Oh dear god I might go outside and drown myself. It's like the difference between watching a 10 hour movie in 720p, and watching the same 10 hour movie in 1080p. There is going to be a difference in quality, simple as that, I don't know why you thinking the game engine being 720p native somehow even relates to the issue of FMVs and their resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted February 13, 2010 Global Moderator Share Posted February 13, 2010 Oh dear god I might go outside and drown myself. It's like the difference between watching a 10 hour movie in 720p, and watching the same 10 hour movie in 1080p. There is going to be a difference in quality, simple as that, I don't know why you thinking the game engine being 720p native somehow even relates to the issue of FMVs and their resolution. Please go do that then, because otherwise you won't let this go will you? It's like you have to make the native FMVs on the ps3 at 1080p be a big deal to feel better about yourself or something. I know very well and good that there is a difference, honestly, but you can't follow my thinking it seems. The game itself, you know, the thing you'll be seeing and playing for 90% of the time. Yes, it's 720p and upscaled and all that, so, IMO, as i've kept saying, having the FMVs upscaled to 1080p, while not as, zomg eyecracking great as how you make them out, means little now since I, yes ME, care about THE GAME more than how your FMVs have a higher bitrate than my FMVs even though they're running at the same res in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted February 13, 2010 Author Subscriber² Share Posted February 13, 2010 Please go do that then, because otherwise you won't let this go will you? It's like you have to make the native FMVs on the ps3 at 1080p be a big deal to feel better about yourself or something. I know very well and good that there is a difference, honestly, but you can't follow my thinking it seems. The game itself, you know, the thing you'll be seeing and playing for 90% of the time. Yes, it's 720p and upscaled and all that, so, IMO, as i've kept saying, having the FMVs upscaled to 1080p, while not as, zomg eyecracking great as how you make them out, means little now since I, yes ME, care about THE GAME more than how your FMVs have a higher bitrate than my FMVs even though they're running at the same res in the end. Do you not remember your first post in this topic? 720p on the PS3 huh, Guess that puts all the "compressed video and lower quality" BS to rest for good now. And now you've finally admitted there is a difference in video quality between 720p and 1080p, but have gone onto some rant about your love for the games engine conquerors all? This is definitely part of the Gaming world people get the popcorn out for. how your FMVs have a higher bitrate than my FMVs even though they're running at the same res in the end And that is still incorrect, the 360 FMVs will be upscaled to 1080p from 720p, PS3 native 1080p. So they're not really "running at the same res" at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted February 13, 2010 Global Moderator Share Posted February 13, 2010 Do you not remember your first post in this topic? And now you've finally admitted there is a difference in video quality between 720p and 1080p, but have gone onto some rant about your love for the games engine conquerors all? This is definitely part of the Gaming world people get the popcorn out for. And that is still incorrect, the 360 FMVs will be upscaled to 1080p from 720p, PS3 native 1080p. So they're not really "running at the same res" at all. Guess I was expecting too much out of you, I thought you'd get the point and just let it go, but nope. I remember my first post perfectly fine, the game is native 720p on both systems so nothing I've said is off in that first post at all. I never said there wasn't a difference, and I also never compared game res to fmv res, you like putting words into my mouth it seems. The one who was making a big deal out of the difference was you from the get go in all of this. Like holding on to the fact the fmvs are native 1080p makes you feel better about your support for that version and platform. Congrats, you've yet again shown you can't understand my point or my opinion at all. Making a fuss about FMVs being upscales sounds like a big deal, until you find out the game itself is 720p and upscaled, thus the whole argument isn't that much of a big deal, how is this hard for you to understand? You want to bring up the difference between upscaled and native 1080p, fine, are you done strokking your epeen over this? I know the differences, I NEVER said there wasn't any. And yes, upscaled and native 1080p ARE the same resolution, you clearlly don't understand the difference here. It's only in the bitrate, the lines drawn are the same 1920x1080p, how is this hard to agree on for you? The only difference is you have a higher bitrate which will give you that cleaner, overall better looking resolution, the lines don't go higher or lower on the screen, only the data (the bits) per frame is higher. SAME RESOLUTION! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted February 13, 2010 Author Subscriber² Share Posted February 13, 2010 Guess I was expecting too much out of you, I thought you'd get the point and just let it go, but nope. I remember my first post perfectly fine, the game is native 720p on both systems so nothing I've said is off in that first post at all. I never said there wasn't a difference, and I also never compared game res to fmv res, you like putting words into my mouth it seems. The one who was making a big deal out of the difference was you from the get go in all of this. Like holding on to the fact the fmvs are native 1080p makes you feel better about your support for that version and platform. Congrats, you've yet again shown you can't understand my point or my opinion at all. Making a fuss about FMVs being upscales sounds like a big deal, until you find out the game itself is 720p and upscaled, thus the whole argument isn't that much of a big deal, how is this hard for you to understand? You want to bring up the difference between upscaled and native 1080p, fine, are you dont strokking your epeen over this? I know the differences, I NEVER said there wasn't any. And yes, upscaled and native 1080p ARE the same resolution, you clearlly don't understand the difference here. It's only in the bitrate, the lines drawn are the same 1920x1080p, how is this hard to agree on for you? The only difference is you have a higher bitrate which will give you that cleaner, overall better looking resolution, the lines don't go higher or lower on the screen, only the data (the bits) per frame is higher. SAME RESOLUTION! Notice the "'s. So they're not really "running at the same res" at all Sounds like one of these rants in the topics of upscaling DVDs to 1080p look the same as Blu Rays at 1080p. Dude you only have one console buy your FF13 and be happy with it, but honestly stop giving people a headache with these silly rants when all you needed to do was agree game engine resolution has no link to FMV resolution, and a native resolution of 1080p, over upscaled 720p will look better - As I commented your first reply in this topic made it sound like there was no difference commenting "720p on the PS3 as well", when the FMVs are 1080p native, they are, only game engine is 720p so suck it up 720p on the PS3 huh, Guess that puts all the "compressed video and lower quality" BS to rest for good now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted February 13, 2010 Global Moderator Share Posted February 13, 2010 Notice the "'s. Sounds like one of these rants in the topics of upscaling DVDs to 1080p look the same as Blu Rays at 1080p. Dude you only have one console buy your FF13 and be happy with it, but honestly stop giving people a headache with these silly rants when all you needed to do was agree game engine resolution has no link to FMV resolution, and a native resolution of 1080p, over upscaled 720p will look better - As I commented your first reply in this topic made it sound like there was no difference commenting "720p on the PS3 as well", when the FMVs are 1080p native, they are, only game engine is 720p so suck it up You're the only one this seems to bother at all, I don't see anyone else making a deal out of this like you do. How can I agree to something when I never actually disagreed with it at all? I tried to get you to understand my point, yet you couldn't, and instead just wanted to go back and forth over your FMVs How does my original post seem wrong at all. "720p on the PS3 as well" is true, that's what the game is. You are the one that wanted to jump all over that and bring up the FMV difference. My point was that this very same FMV difference has lost it's impact IMO, now that we know the game itself is 720p and upscaled. This is what I've said over and over but you just wanted to beat on about your native 1080p video to death! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted February 13, 2010 Author Subscriber² Share Posted February 13, 2010 You're the only one this seems to bother at all, I don't see anyone else making a deal out of this like you do. How can I agree to something when I never actually disagreed with it at all? I tried to get you to understand my point, yet you couldn't, and instead just wanted to go back and forth over your FMVs How does my original post seem wrong at all. "720p on the PS3 as well" is true, that's what the game is. You are the one that wanted to jump all over that and bring up the FMV difference. My point was that this very same FMV difference has lost it's impact IMO, now that we know the game itself is 720p and upscaled. This is what I've said over and over but you just wanted to beat on about your native 1080p video to death! Because if you read the topic title it says "Final Fantasy XIII PS3, Xbox 360 holds 10 hours of cutscenes" FF13 cutscenes are FMVs, so this whole topic is about discussing the FMVs and/or cutscene content, nothing to even do with the game engine. So I have every right to discuss cutscene rendering in here amigo, you started dragging the game engine into the discussion. On the PS3 it's 1080p native, on the 360 it's 720p upscaled, end of discussion really, I think my IQ will lower talking it out with you any more, especially now having to direct you to read a topic title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Christ would you two stop that pathetic discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedon Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 It appears that the entire game is 720p based on the interview. That is what I would go by, as he stated video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted February 13, 2010 Author Subscriber² Share Posted February 13, 2010 It appears that the entire game is 720p based on the interview. That is what I would go by, as he stated video. I really don't want to start this up again, but it's this simple PS3 Native resolution of game - 720p Resolution you will play in - 1080p upscaled from 720p FMV resolution - 1080p 360 Native resolution of game - 720p Resolution you will play in - 1080p upscaled from 720p Resolution you will play in - 1080p upscaled from 720p In a Famitsu interview, Square Enix revealed that the Xbox 360 version will have compressed audio and video despite shipping on multiple discs. The PS3 version, on the other hand, will be fully uncompressed thanks to the space afforded them by a dual-layer Blu-ray disc. http://www.qj.net/qjnet/playstation-3/ffxiii-ps3-audio-and-video-uncompressed-not-so-on-xbox-360.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedon Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 We will agree to disagree then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted February 13, 2010 Author Subscriber² Share Posted February 13, 2010 We will agree to disagree then If you want to disagree with facts and Square themselves that's fine with me, now I can't wait till FF13 is released to bump this topic after that crapstorm that went down, totally unneeded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 If you want to disagree with facts and Square themselves that's fine with me, now I can't wait till FF13 is released to bump this topic after that crapstorm that went down, totally unneeded. And now Gavin it's time to slowly back out as you are the one constantly throwing fuel on the fire ... walk away. >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted February 13, 2010 Author Subscriber² Share Posted February 13, 2010 And now Gavin it's time to slowly back out as you are the one constantly throwing fuel on the fire ... walk away. >.> Why not? Does everyone forget a demo of FF13 already came out for the PS3? It's even out in Japan! The game is out... Those who have their hands on the Final Fantasy XIII demo, which came bundled with the special edition Advent Children Complete, have been reporting an interesting aspect of the game. For those who missed it, Final Fantasy XIII runs in 1080p as was also mentioned previously. Most current generation games run in 720p, and if you have a PS3 hooked up to a 1080p TV, then in the settings you can check off all the resolutions so that the PS3 auto detects what the game wants to be output as. If all the check boxes are selected, then a game like Uncharted will run at its native resolution of 720p, while a game like Super Stardust HD will run at 1080p. Now that most of the technical jargon has been explained, here is what is interesting about the FF XIII demo. The PS3 chooses to run the demo at 1080p, which means that the supported resolutions for FF XIII are 480p/720p/1080i/1080p. Source: http://www.ps3news.com/PlayStation-3/final-fantasy-xiii-runs-in-1080p-on-the-playstation-3-console/ or here - http://www.psu.com/Final-Fantasy-XIII-supports-1080p--a007081-p0.php or here - http://www.ff-xiii.net/index.php?page=news&p=more&numb=376 So yeah I am knowledgeable about gaming so people should stop jumping down my throat without doing their own research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Because you made your point, with links, several times now and some people refuse to listen. So perhaps that's a pretty big clue, telling you to just back out and leave them sailing in their own lil' boat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted February 13, 2010 Author Subscriber² Share Posted February 13, 2010 Because you made your point, with links, several times now and some people refuse to listen. So perhaps that's a pretty big clue, telling you to just back out and leave them sailing in their own lil' boat? I know dude, I'm sorry I'm not taking anything out on you, it's just people around here that do your head in at times no matter how much evidence you give them they just want to argue because of your name, or avatar or signature. Advice taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajputwarrior Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 i don't get how people are aruging with audio... what he's saying is fact and he's backing it up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedon Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Why not? Does everyone forget a demo of FF13 already came out for the PS3? It's even out in Japan! The game is out... Source: http://www.ps3news.c...tion-3-console/ or here - http://www.psu.com/F...-a007081-p0.php or here - http://www.ff-xiii.n...p=more&numb=376 So yeah I am knowledgeable about gaming so people should stop jumping down my throat without doing their own research. I am just going by what the developer said in the interview. I have no other way to back anything up. I hope the Square dev is wrong, failed to point out that the game switches back and forth between native 720p gameplay to native 1080p for cutscenes. There is no need to get defensive my friend. It's just a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted February 13, 2010 Author Subscriber² Share Posted February 13, 2010 I am just going by what the developer said in the interview. I have no other way to back anything up. I hope the Square dev is wrong, failed to point out that the game switches back and forth between native 720p gameplay to native 1080p for cutscenes. There is no need to get defensive my friend. It's just a game. The game does no switching, the whole thing upscales from 720p to 1080p, but the native resolution is 720p..... I won't say it again, the whole game plays in 1080p, only difference between PS3/360 is the 360 FMVs will scale from 720p to 1080p like the game, where as the PS3 will run native 1080p FMVs. And the audio differences but this topic is about FMVs. Square dev is not wrong, he is answering the question properly, the games native resolution is 720p. I've not had as much of a headache as that time I had to literally tear my eyeballs out to prove the PS3 has a universal power supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedon Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 but the native resolution is 1080p..... the games native resolution is 720p. That clears it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted February 13, 2010 Author Subscriber² Share Posted February 13, 2010 That clears it up. The game does no switching, the whole thing upscales from 720p to 1080p, but the native resolution is 720p..... I made some mistakes in that post due to me stressing out over trying to explain simple things in this topic, re-read it again, but all you need to know is the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedon Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 So it looks like we are on the same page after all. Dude, don't stress. It's all good man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajputwarrior Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 The game does no switching, the whole thing upscales from 720p to 1080p, but the native resolution is 720p..... I won't say it again, the whole game plays in 1080p, only difference between PS3/360 is the 360 FMVs will scale from 720p to 1080p like the game, where as the PS3 will run native 1080p FMVs. And the audio differences but this topic is about FMVs. Square dev is not wrong, he is answering the question properly, the games native resolution is 720p. I've not had as much of a headache as that time I had to literally tear my eyeballs out to prove the PS3 has a universal power supply. the ps3 has a universal power supply..? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted February 14, 2010 Global Moderator Share Posted February 14, 2010 My whole point, that I was trying to get accross from the get go has nothing to do with FMVs, yet audio wanted to bring those up over and over. It's simple.... Game is 720p and upscaled = all good, no problems. FMVs are 720p and upscaled = onoze, fail. It's BS. Even with the difference between upscaled and native for the damn FMVs, we're not even talking live action here, the difference between the two with video game level CGI will probably end up being minimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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