+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted February 11, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted February 11, 2010 We've landed some pics of a new debug build of PS3's Firmware, clearly showing a "3D video output" option. As you can see from the images below, the feature appears to be included in the 3.20 release, which is apparently now in the hands of developers. There's been a great deal of talk about 3D games in recent months, with Sony especially being a strong supporter of the tech. SCEA's John Koller, speaking at CES in January, said that, "It's gonna take just a simple firmware update which most people do regularly anyway, and that's all it's gonna take to accolade the PS3 to 3D gaming." He added: "It's just a simple firmware update on the hardware." Koller did add a caveat, saying, "You will, however, have to have a 3D TV and the glasses to get the full experience and Blu-ray movies in 3D will require a separate firmware update, which will be required by the end of the year". Sony showed GT5 running in 3D at CES. Microsoft, however, has been less enamoured with the concept. "I think there's a lot of questions, to be honest," green machine Aaron Greenberg said, also speaking at the Las Vegas show last month. "3D is great in the theater, but for the living room? I think we're a long ways away from that." PS3's Firmware currently stands at 3.15. Sony's yet to announce a release date for future upgrades. Source: http://www.vg247.com...-20/#more-79657 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pisty Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 hey what's a debug firm ware? i'm sorry still new at this :( but i think it's modified fw right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyLarry Veteran Posted February 12, 2010 Veteran Share Posted February 12, 2010 hey what's a debug firm ware? i'm sorry still new at this :( but i think it's modified fw right? It is actually a firmware released by Sony, but it is not yet official. Basically it is test firmware that they will send to developers, probably a select group of users, etc., who test it out to make sure it is working and there are no bugs in it. This is why they call it debug, de in this case means remove, so it is debug for the sole intent for people to test and find any bugs so they can remove any bugs that are found. But the main reason they are currently testing it is because at one point we will all get it. (Y) Boifido and jerzdawg 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pisty Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 WOW THANKS FOR SIMPLY CLEARING THAT UP :o hope it comes out soooon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasarson Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 cool it's hopefully coming out soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPyro Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 It is actually a firmware released by Sony, but it is not yet official. Basically it is test firmware that they will send to developers, probably a select group of users, etc., who test it out to make sure it is working and there are no bugs in it. This is why they call it debug, de in this case means remove, so it is debug for the sole intent for people to test and find any bugs so they can remove any bugs that are found. But the main reason they are currently testing it is because at one point we will all get it. (Y) Um no, a debug firmware is for debug consoles - dev consoles basically. Not to test the firmware :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyLarry Veteran Posted February 12, 2010 Veteran Share Posted February 12, 2010 Um no, a debug firmware is for debug consoles - dev consoles basically. Not to test the firmware :laugh: Right, and what do you think one of the purpose of the dev consoles are? To test features of the firmware before the public gets it to make sure the features are stable no? And one of the the reasons they are testing it so that when it is finally released it contains no bugs. Or do they just release firmware and hope it works? Sure, it is also so they can implement features of that firmware into their games, so I should not have said sole intent and I do stand corrected there, but without a doubt they are testing it, as they have to test it to implement whatever features. The literal definition of debug is remove bugs. The only way one can remove bugs is by testing for them. So how is it not to test the firmware? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmatic Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 does this mean we get an additional menu in xmb to adjust things like seperation, anti ghosting, and most importantly of all the format of 3d like alternate frames, alternate lines, etc etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 imo the fact the ps3 is updatable (when everything else requires hdmi 1.4) shows 3d is nothing more than a money grab, the system they adopted has been around for over a decade yet they only started pushing it to home users once they had run out of other major features. PL_ 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_onion Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 3D gaming does sound pretty cool. Would definitely improve the experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted February 12, 2010 Veteran Share Posted February 12, 2010 Considering that the 3D output would require the PS3 to output twice as many frames, something's going to have to suffer. Unless of course Sony's artificially limited the speed of the graphics chip since launch, which isn't the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Considering that the 3D output would require the PS3 to output twice as many frames, something's going to have to suffer. Unless of course Sony's artificially limited the speed of the graphics chip since launch, which isn't the case. You seem to be forgetting the Dual-HDMI 1080p output at 120fps. Oh no wait ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeChipshop Member Posted February 12, 2010 Member Share Posted February 12, 2010 Considering that the 3D output would require the PS3 to output twice as many frames, something's going to have to suffer. Unless of course Sony's artificially limited the speed of the graphics chip since launch, which isn't the case. I'm not to hot on this 3D technology (i only have one working eye so seeing any 3D is beyond me anyway) but i'm pretty sure it wouldn't be twice as many frames but would split one frame into two... correct me if i'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted February 12, 2010 Veteran Share Posted February 12, 2010 I'm not to hot on this 3D technology (i only have one working eye so seeing any 3D is beyond me anyway) but i'm pretty sure it wouldn't be twice as many frames but would split one frame into two... correct me if i'm wrong. You have to render the frame twice at two different positions (one for each eye) And twice as much work in the same time requires an increase in performance, unless the chip can render the current release games at 120fps or so, but slows them down to 60fps (or 60fps to 30fps) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeChipshop Member Posted February 12, 2010 Member Share Posted February 12, 2010 You have to render the frame twice at two different positions (one for each eye) And twice as much work in the same time requires an increase in performance, unless the chip can render the current release games at 120fps or so, but slows them down to 60fps (or 60fps to 30fps) Haha of course duh! That makes so much sense i'm actually ashamed of myself! :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo2008jedi Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 3D tech is not a great experiance for me, I have seen plenty of 3D films in the cinema but I have always found it difficult to focus on the screen and get bed eye strain (even though I do wear optical correction glasses) I won't be adapting to this tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorwing Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 cool 3D gaming...this should be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPyro Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Right, and what do you think one of the purpose of the dev consoles are? To test features of the firmware before the public gets it to make sure the features are stable no? And one of the the reasons they are testing it so that when it is finally released it contains no bugs. Or do they just release firmware and hope it works? Sure, it is also so they can implement features of that firmware into their games, so I should not have said sole intent and I do stand corrected there, but without a doubt they are testing it, as they have to test it to implement whatever features. The literal definition of debug is remove bugs. The only way one can remove bugs is by testing for them. So how is it not to test the firmware? Debug consoles are to test games. The only reason it's called a debug firmware is because it's designed for debug consoles. I'm sure Sony has their own QA staff to test out retail firmware themselves. Retail and debug firmware have different features so it would make no sense to have devs test firmware if the target product is not the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted February 12, 2010 Veteran Share Posted February 12, 2010 Outside developers would be testing the 3D stuff to ensure it worked with their games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyLarry Veteran Posted February 12, 2010 Veteran Share Posted February 12, 2010 Debug consoles are to test games. The only reason it's called a debug firmware is because it's designed for debug consoles. I'm sure Sony has their own QA staff to test out retail firmware themselves. Retail and debug firmware have different features so it would make no sense to have devs test firmware if the target product is not the same. Okay you are right. Developers are not testing new parts and features of the firmware to make sure it works with their games. When I say test the firmware I do not mean the entire firmware, I mean the new features that have been implemented into the firmware. The only way test that out to make sure it is compatible with games is on a debug console. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted February 12, 2010 Author Subscriber² Share Posted February 12, 2010 In a way you're both right, either way it means a new FW update is coming soon, might not be called 3.20 at the end of the day but it's in the tubes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ienhz Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Yes, work on features that no one cares about but don't even bother with things like private/party chat that tons of people have been asking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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