Xbox 360 Lacks First Party Support


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The Xbox 360 may have strong third-party support with Mass Effect and Alan Wake and Left 4 Dead, but Sony America bigwig Rob Dyer reckons the rival console's first-party line-up doesn't hold a candle to what Sony's offering on PS3."They have very few first-party studios at Microsoft. Bungie's next Halo is the last one, Rare rarely puts out anything, you've got Peter Molyneux with his Fable stuff... but they don't have first-party development studios inside at Redmond or anywhere for that matter," Dyer told IndustryGamers, (viaGamesIndustry.biz). "We do."

"So rather than putting their money behind that, they've been going to Epic or Valve or BioWare to do what they did with Mass Effect, and that's where they throw their dollars."

"We're not going to compete with Microsoft on that front," he added. "But what we have is a global business here. Our global business is bigger than 360's and will continue to get bigger than 360, and people are seeing that. We passed them in Europe and they don't even exist in Japan, and we're going to catch them and pass them here in the US as well."

Dyer said third-party console exclusives aren't going to happen "nearly as often" in the future, but that extra game content and strong advertising campaigns will swing buyers one way or the other - he used Batman: Arkham Asylum, which on PS3 included a playable Joker character, as an example.

"The PS3 version outsold the 360 version, and what we've said to [developers] is, 'if you take advantage of what the PS3 can deliver ? more content on the Blu-ray disc, better graphics, being able to get more of what the player wants onto the disc ? you're going to see those sales translate'."

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While true (no dispute there), I don't think it matters. Microsoft continues with the highest game attachment rate of any console. Not to mention, 3rd party seems to be selling more games, and getting played more. Case in point, I have played the Call of Duty games on my 360 and PS3 substantially more than I have played KZ2, GOW2, Resistance or Halo COMBINED. MOST of my favorite gaming on any console has generally been a 3rd party title.

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What does it matter? All that matters is the final line-up of games. First party vs. third party doesn't mean a thing to me, personally, as long as the end quality of the game in question is good. It really shouldn't mean anything to anybody else either, in my opinion.

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What does it matter? All that matters is the final line-up of games. First party vs. third party doesn't mean a thing to me, personally, as long as the end quality of the game in question is good. It really shouldn't mean anything to anybody else either, in my opinion.

I agree.

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What does it matter? All that matters is the final line-up of games. First party vs. third party doesn't mean a thing to me, personally, as long as the end quality of the game in question is good. It really shouldn't mean anything to anybody else either, in my opinion.

I feel the same. If GT5 was 3rd party, or if Forza 3 was 3rd party, that wouldn't make me enjoy the game any less. Though, if it was 10th party, I might consider not buying the DLC. shifty.gif

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It honestly does matter when you get right down to it. This gen costs a significant higher amount to develop games than previous generations. From a business perspective, it makes more sense for a 3rd party to go multiplatform for their games. They can push out a lot more money this way as they have a wider audience of potential buyers. So, it's usually up to 1st parties to develop the exclusive titles. These exclusive titles are what drive console and software sales. Really, the only thing that pushes people onto one console or the other are exclusive games.

You don't see people buying a PS3 or 360 solely for a 3rd party title like Batman and because it might be better on one console than the other. No, people will generally buy a specific console because of exclusive games like Halo.

Without strong 1st party exclusives, what makes one console stand out from another? Pretty much nothing.

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Without strong 1st party exclusives, what makes one console stand out from another? Pretty much nothing.

Why does it have to be strong first party exclusives? Why can't it be strong 2nd or 3rd party exclusives? Resistance, Left4Dead, Gears of War, Alan Wake, Mass Effect, Metal Gear Solid 4.....in addition to great first party options as well?

What makes the console stand out? The PS3 stands out for it's Blu-Ray support. The Xbox 360 stands out for it's Xbox Live support. The Wii stands out for it's motion support.

We need competition in order for the consoles and games to improve for consumers.

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What does it matter? All that matters is the final line-up of games. First party vs. third party doesn't mean a thing to me, personally, as long as the end quality of the game in question is good. It really shouldn't mean anything to anybody else either, in my opinion.

+1

I feel the same. If GT5 was 3rd party, or if Forza 3 was 3rd party, that wouldn't make me enjoy the game any less. Though, if it was 10th party, I might consider not buying the DLC. shifty.gif

+1, lol to 10th party comment

Good to see Sony are back to old tricks.

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It's too bad some of Sony's First Party games (especially their first year products) have either been disappointments or delayed for 5 years. :p

+1, funny thing is this coming from the company where all there big first parties have been delayed SO MUCH and still cant use the power of the system they speak of. GOW3, NOT NATIVE 1080P. While like I said thats not a big deal as long as the game looks good, there bogus claim about

'if you take advantage of what the PS3 can deliver – more content on the Blu-ray disc, better graphics, being able to get more of what the player wants onto the disc – you're going to see those sales translate'

is bull****. Are you kidding me sony? KZ2 is NOW a year old and back in november there were BARELY any servers up for it / people playing. You guys fail for supporting your games. GOW3 finally is coming out and still cant harness the full power of the ps3. Thats disappointing. While the game looks beautiful its disappointing you guys make a claim your system can do more(which it can) yet no one can harness it. With GT5 being delayed so damn much, if better be full 1080p natively. If not sony offically has ****ed up, if not already that is.

Besides all this, this is sonys way of showing there "butt hurt" because they dont get Mass Effect or Left4Dead or etc. I know MANY people especially this one kid who came in on the midnight release of AC2/L4D2 and saying he wanted "L4D2" for PS3. We thought he was totally kidding so we went along with it. He then came up got his game and stood there staring at us. Im like "yeah... what do you need" he said "i wanted the ps3 copy...." Im like L4D is only exclusive to PC and 360. He went from saying "I want to experience valves beautiful art and I loved Orange Box, to **** Valve. They can eat ****. Not supporting sony. What the **** is wrong with them. **** that there a ****ty company anyway I dont care. Give me AC2." which then he preceded to say "Now i get to play this ****ty game when I go home".

I BUSTED OUT LAUGHING at him as he was leaving. He went from thinking the company is great to hating them because they dont support his system. LMAO FAIL. Im sorry your a sony fanboy and you have been "butt hurt" but dont take it out on the devs. Also another thing, my brother just got Orange box and people playing TF2 more on 360 then on the PS3. So i understand why valve didnt go PS3.

But regardless, you gotta love sonys way of showing there not "butt hurt" when they really are ;).

Regardless, I will play any game regardless of party support. As long as its a good game, im game to play it.

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I definitely think MS need more 1st party studios, and well that's my opinion.

3rd party exclusives are going away quickly, and even things like the GTA4 DLC that everyone said wouldn't move, well, it has.

edit: Dear god Sikh you have serious rage issues :laugh:

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The funny thing is that Microsoft had a lot of 1st party studios that they have let go, and not because they weren't doing a good job. It was more of a go, run, be free type of thing. But on the flip side, who has ever heard of Sony twisting a story, badmouthing the competition, or *gasp* outright lying? shifty.gif

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Heck, even the "Exclusivity" argument is kinda pointless if the game's better on the 360 then the PS3 (see ...well... 50% of the multiplatform games released this year, most notably Bayonetta) You get a few "way better on the 360!" arguments and games being non-exclusive is kinda a pointless argument.

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I definitely think MS need more 1st party studios, and well that's my opinion.

3rd party exclusives are going away quickly, and even things like the GTA4 DLC that everyone said wouldn't move, well, it has.

edit: Dear god Sikh you have serious rage issues :laugh:

I agree and think it would be beneficial in the end for MS. On the other hand, Sony is touting something that they have developed over years and years. MS is still relatively new to the console market in comparison, so it isn't something they can fix overnight.

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I agree and think it would be beneficial in the end for MS. On the other hand, Sony is touting something that they have developed over years and years. MS is still relatively new to the console market in comparison, so it isn't something they can fix overnight.

Microsoft had control of a bunch of huge studios and let them all go by choice. Maybe they just crunched numbers and figured they can save money by just cutting deals for timed exclusives that probably have the same effect as being fully exclusive. Think about it - if all the hype surrounding a game release is focused on it being on one console when it releases, it's huge - by the time it goes to other consoles, it's old news.

-Spenser

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On the other hand, Sony is touting something that they have developed over years and years. MS is still relatively new to the console market in comparison, so it isn't something they can fix overnight.

+ 1

Personally I don't see any major benefits of having more first party developers for Microsoft.

The third parties are doing a stand-up job at the moment.

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What does it matter? All that matters is the final line-up of games. First party vs. third party doesn't mean a thing to me, personally, as long as the end quality of the game in question is good. It really shouldn't mean anything to anybody else either, in my opinion.

Heck, even the "Exclusivity" argument is kinda pointless if the game's better on the 360 then the PS3 (see ...well... 50% of the multiplatform games released this year, most notably Bayonetta) You get a few "way better on the 360!" arguments and games being non-exclusive is kinda a pointless argument.

I respectfully, disagree with you two.

I thought the matter laid within console vs game sales/profits, no? May not mean much to us, but i'm willing to bet it does for ms and sony. 1st party plays the x factor in profit margins. I'm no business tycoon but 1st party also plays a significant role to a consoles survival.

Sure if the line ups are great, but this day, they all have the same lineups. Issues such as the one with Bayonetta are seldom. Especially when such things can easily be patched, and was. So again, whats the matter, what makes any difference ? The 1st party games are what gets the consoles moving off the shelves.

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This gen, that really isn't the case anymore

Of course it is, when a big exclusive comes out hardware sales go nuts for the platform of interest.

What isn't really the case any more is much 3rd party exclusive content.

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They do have a point. If it wasn't for halo not as many people would have 360s. And if it isn't for gow3 and ff13 coming out ps3s wouldn't be moving as fast as they are right now. But at the same time you'll still had people buy consoles for ff13. I know many people that are getting ff13 bundle or just a 360 for the first time. Or people that got a 360 for crackdown/left 4 dead. It wasn't record breaking numbers but we sold a lot of 360s to people who owned a ps3 or 360 because so and so game was only on 360.

Either way both party games will sell systems. Another semi big game people are buying consoles for is no more hereos.

My point because 1st party moves systems like nothing. 3rd party is somewhere back there

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This gen, that really isn't the case anymore

I was expecting just a liiiiiittle bit more than that. How about elaborating? Cause I'm unable to understand how what I said fails to be relevant this day.

No offense but i think you may have your wires crossed on this one.

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