+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted February 18, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted February 18, 2010 Over the past few months, a number of big third-party publishers like EA & Capcom have distanced themselves from the Wii. Ah well. There's always the PS3! "What publishers have said is they're not going to spend the resources on Wii... In my job, we compete against Microsoft and Nintendo, and we're competing for resources", SCEA Senior Vice President of Publisher Relations Rob Dyer (pictured) told IndustryGamers. "So when I walk into a publisher, I ask, 'Where are you guys pushing your resources?' In the past, it was 'Look how hot the Wii is,' or 'Look how hot the DS is,' and 'We should put resources there.' They did that and realized, 'You know what, third-party product just doesn't sell on that platform.' So now they're taking those resources, coming back to us and saying, 'Sony we're going to be able to provide you with that exclusive content,' or 'We're going to put more engineers on it and figure out to maximize the Blu-ray and get more out of PS3.' That's what we're seeing now". Maybe the PS3 can finally get that version of Monster Hunter, eh? Source: http://kotaku.com/54...oss-is-our-gain Always happens to Nintendo every generation.... The topic is really interchangeable with "360" as well, 3rd parties are dropping like flies on the Wii. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted February 18, 2010 Member Share Posted February 18, 2010 Why doesn't third-party products sell on that platform? Is it that they don't really understand that platform and it's users? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted February 18, 2010 Author Subscriber² Share Posted February 18, 2010 Why doesn't third-party products sell on that platform? Is it that they don't really understand that platform and it's users? It's because what most of the Wii base wants is what Nintendo release best, so 3rd parties are left mimicking mostly. When something unique is tried you can't really expect all these soccer mums and grannies who own Wii's to go out and buy it, all they play is Wiisports and Wiifit. The more knowledgeable gamers for the most part usually own a PS3/360 or both as well as a Wii so tend to end up with it being a dust magnet. Couple that with the fact you can't port 360/PS3 games to the Wii due to hardware constraints, so it's always a build up from the bottom for Wii (bigger financial risk), and it's online service is terrible so 3rd parties aren't able to supply content like they can on the PS3/360. Nintendo are going to do great for themselves and make plenty of green, but yet again as they keep doing each generation hold themselves up on rehashed IPs with very little in the way of innovation - Not saying the 23rd Mario game is bad, Mario games are great, it's just they keep fudging 3rd party support. And by innovation I don't mean plastic peripherals, I mean where's the new Nintendo mascots? Sony have had no problem making Drake and Sackboy, brand new IPs, new mascotts, MS pulled out that chainsaw dude from GoW (sorry I don't remember :p). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted February 18, 2010 Member Share Posted February 18, 2010 It's because what most of the Wii base wants is what Nintendo release best, so 3rd parties are left mimicking mostly. When something unique is tried you can't really expect all these soccer mums and grannies who own Wii's to go out and buy it, all they play is Wiisports and Wiifit. The more knowledgeable gamers for the most part usually own a PS3/360 or both as well as a Wii so tend to end up with it being a dust magnet. It seems to me it still boils down to the fact that they don't understand the platform. Wii users are not PS3/XBox users. They want games simple and fun. If Nintendo can release games that users like then it stands to reason that other people can too. That they don't makes me wonder if they really try. It seems like they'll release a FPS game and then whine because it doesn't sell on the Wii. Of course it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chemaz Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I have a soft modded wii, and i hardly use it now (my parents got it but never used it so i "claimed" it) The nintendo games are the only real decent ones to play, mainly coz they use all the functions properly and motion becomes a bit part of the game, but most 3rd party games i find dont really implement it that well. For me the wii is good for play most of the mario games (mario tennis and "soccer" were crap), sonic & mario olympics, and the only real 3rd party game i play is ravin rabbids tv party, while some of my friends play Just Dance, but other than those i dont know anyone who has strayed from those games. So i can actually believe that publishers are moving away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etempest Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I own all 3 system, and like the different aspects of each. I will confirm that the Wii is played the least (with me). However, despite all the shots at Nintendo (legit or just Fanboyism) they can't seem to grasp the Wii is the #1 console success at sales. There very valid points at how 3rd party software is a joke, or minimal to none, however.... it's STILL the best selling Console, even after the PS3 sales spike due to price drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C_Guy Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Sony's arrogance never ceases to amaze me. The most successful titles for Wii are made by Nintendo. Few could argue that. But the problem is that third-party developers just don't get it. They develop games that are so limtied in creativity it's just another installment for the 'next' Nintendo console. Nintendo on the other hand understands the potential of the Wii and through innovative titles like Mario Kart Wii, Wii Fit, and Super Mario Galaxy (to name a few) have utilzed everything the innovative controls have to offer. Third-party developers have barely scratched the surface. Their releases are sloppy, lazy, and take little advantage of the unique Wii concept. Is Nintendo to blame for that? Is there some secret they're not sharing that allows them to develop such great titles? Yes. Nintendo is NOT LAZY. That's the secret. Just because Wii's target market is "everyone" does not mean they appeal only to soccer moms and grandparents. That is frightfully ignorant. Whether you like it or not, Nintendo remains the clear console winner. Sony would do far better to try and understand why, rather than make up lame excuses for their unfortunate shareholders. Whether or not thrird party developers want to cash in on Nintendo's success is dependant on how much effort they are willing to spend on their Wii titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Knight Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I think Nintendo is one of the few developers who knows how to crank out games outside of the shooter, sports, and RPG genre. Also, given that you can't grab an audience based on your awesome graphics you're forced to entice them with something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skulltrail Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 (edited) Sounds like a lovely guy. Too bad he is full of ****. Wii and PS3 attract two completely different gaming groups. Wii is more for the traditional Nintendo like games, whereas the PS3 is more for the graphics-intense competitive. Edited February 18, 2010 by Mathachew Let the swear filter do its job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majortom1981 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 The problem on the wii is that most developers are lazy on that system. Even their top tier games arent very good on the system. They think that because its a casual gamers system the public will not be able to tel lthe game is bad. Also they feel that a wii game is not good enough to advertise. Games like the second boom blox should have been marketed heavily but weren't. They are all blaming nintendo when its their own fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 While I don't completely agree he does have a valid point. 64's success was because of all the amazing 1st party games. I think all Nintendo consoles rely on 1st party games more than any other console maker does. While that certainly doesn't apply to everyone I think the majority of its users want Nintendo games over something EA or anyone else makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted February 18, 2010 Author Subscriber² Share Posted February 18, 2010 Sony's arrogance never ceases to amaze me. The most successful titles for Wii are made by Nintendo. Few could argue that. But the problem is that third-party developers just don't get it. They develop games that are so limtied in creativity it's just another installment for the 'next' Nintendo console. Nintendo on the other hand understands the potential of the Wii and through innovative titles like Mario Kart Wii, Wii Fit, and Super Mario Galaxy (to name a few) have utilzed everything the innovative controls have to offer. Third-party developers have barely scratched the surface. Their releases are sloppy, lazy, and take little advantage of the unique Wii concept. Is Nintendo to blame for that? Is there some secret they're not sharing that allows them to develop such great titles? Yes. Nintendo is NOT LAZY. That's the secret. Just because Wii's target market is "everyone" does not mean they appeal only to soccer moms and grandparents. That is frightfully ignorant. Whether you like it or not, Nintendo remains the clear console winner. Sony would do far better to try and understand why, rather than make up lame excuses for their unfortunate shareholders. Whether or not thrird party developers want to cash in on Nintendo's success is dependant on how much effort they are willing to spend on their Wii titles. Do you even own a Wii? Some very creative titles for it that have sold pants. When you have to create your game from the ground up for the Wii due to it having no platform unity with the PS3/360, that costs more to be adventurous if your title isn't called "101 Wii sports like games". As I said most people buy a Wii, get the Nintendo games and hardly touch the 3rd party stuff, and if you'd care to read it's the publishers like Capcom and EA making these statements. You tell me what multiplatform devs should make for the Wii, as they can't make the next FF instalment, hardly anyone wants COD on the Wii, Rockstar want to further GTA, the biggest sport franchises FIFA/NBA/Baseball/NHL get dumbed down versions on the Wii, you can't create online 4 player Co-Op games like L4D, all the big multiplatform sellers, can't be done on the Wii, or won't sell on the Wii. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted February 19, 2010 Member Share Posted February 19, 2010 As I said most people buy a Wii, get the Nintendo games and hardly touch the 3rd party stuff, and if you'd care to read it's the publishers like Capcom and EA making these statements. You tell me what multiplatform devs should make for the Wii, as they can't make the next FF instalment, hardly anyone wants COD on the Wii, Rockstar want to further GTA, the biggest sport franchises FIFA/NBA/Baseball/NHL get dumbed down versions on the Wii, you can't create online 4 player Co-Op games like L4D, all the big multiplatform sellers, can't be done on the Wii, or won't sell on the Wii. They shouldn't even try to make games like that for the Wii. Wii gamers are not into that. Just make simple little games that are interesting and fun to play and a Wii owner is all set. You have to know your audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted February 19, 2010 Author Subscriber² Share Posted February 19, 2010 They shouldn't even try to make games like that for the Wii. Wii gamers are not into that. Just make simple little games that are interesting and fun to play and a Wii owner is all set. You have to know your audience. They do that, but Nintendo do it better, how many WiiSports/WiiFit clones can you have? The audience for the Wii has the lowest attachment rate out of all the consoles, yet the highest install base, why? Because people just buy Nintendo games, or stop after WiiSports/WiiFit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Sony needs to stop looking elsewhere for excuses and concentrate on their own problems. Nintendo seems perfectly happy doing what they're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Knight Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 Too bad they never try making a game like New Super Mario Bros. Wii. The Wii is all about offline multiplayer and they should try to capitalize on it. Making watered down sports games and shooters isn't going to rake in the dough. The problem essentially comes down do third parties making the wrong kinds of games for the Wii. The games they should be making are outside of their expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soniqstylz Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 Hey, ****ers, Sony fanboys have the trademark on "lazy devs". Find your own excuse for ****ty ports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjoswald Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 It's purely a business decision. They know that the majority of the Wii userbase are little kids and little kids have short attention spans. Why waste their resources on it? It would cost them more than they would make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soniqstylz Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 I think Nintendo is also trying to expand their userbase into more hardcore gamers. They actively pursued Rockstar, Ubisoft, etc., to make M-rated games; hence RE4, CoD, No More Heroes, Manhunt 2, Silent Hill: Shattered Memories, Mortal Kombat, The Godfather, Splinter Cell, etc. This isn't just devs only knowing how to make pew pew games (see, Rayman, Rock Band, Guitar Hero, LEGO games, etc.) But Nintendo has everyone of it's top 20 games, aside from Mario & Sonic Olympics, and every one of the top 20 aside from GH3 and LEGO Star Wars. Wii can sell games, but Nintendo is the only one who can take advantage of the userbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted February 21, 2010 Member Share Posted February 21, 2010 It's purely a business decision. They know that the majority of the Wii userbase are little kids and little kids have short attention spans. Why waste their resources on it? It would cost them more than they would make. They are missing sales on the #1 console in the world. It seems to me like it's costing them money not to produce games for the platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 They know that the majority of the Wii userbase are little kids and little kids have short attention spans. Like the majority of PS3 and 360 users are teens and twenty-somethings with delusions of maturity living with mom and dad? See, we both can spew nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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