neufuse Veteran Posted February 23, 2010 Veteran Share Posted February 23, 2010 If this is what will happen, then I'll never use an Apple system again... I can see Apple eventually turning all their systems into an App Store ran closed model...... http://www.osnews.com/story/22913/Would_You_Buy_an_iPhone_OS-Powered_Laptop_ Now that Apple has unveiled the iPad, people are wondering what the future holds for the iPhone OS platform and the concepts behind it. The iPad comes scarily close to being an actual computer in the more classical sense of the word, and a recent Apple job posting seems to indicated the Cupertino giant is interested in further moving the iPhone OS up the ladder. We ask you: would you be put off or excited about the iPhone OS' restrictive model moving up the stack? The job posting is for an engineer manager tasked with the "bring-up" of the iPhone OS on new platforms. The Core Platform team within Apple's Core OS organization is looking for a talented and inspired manager to lead a team focused on bring-up of iPhone OS on new platforms. The team is responsible for low level platform architecture, firmware, core drivers and bring-up of new hardware platforms. The team consists of talented engineers with experience in hardware, firmware, IOKit drivers, security and platform architecture. Computerworld specifically speculates that the iPhone OS might one day power MacBook Air-like laptops. Such a laptop would be powered by Apple's custom silicon (like the iPad). Computerworld goes a few steps further even, arguing that low-end Macs, like the Mac Mini and MacBook, would follow suit. As ridiculous as this may sound to some, I wouldn't be surprised if this is in line with Apple's plans; total control is part of Apple's DNA. Personally, this looks like a horror scenario to me, but I'm more interested in how you feel. Would you buy laptops and desktops powered by an operating system that is locked down, where you can only install applications from the App Store? How important is the freedom Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux give? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoXY Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Personally, this looks like a horror scenario to me, but I'm more interested in how you feel. Would you buy laptops and desktops powered by an operating system that is locked down, where you can only install applications from the App Store? How important is the freedom Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux give? No. Not at all interested. An operating system is a platform. And part of the beauty of a platform is giving user ability to mold it and use it in any way they like (granted within certain constructs). I think OS X is great, I can see maybe an iPhone like system and OS X on parallel roadmaps, but I do not see the iPhone OS taking over entirely. And if it does, Microsoft and I will have to get re-introduced. Electric Jolt 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acnpt Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 I don't see a problem with the ipad running iPhone OS, as both are touchscreen. Not too keen on the MacBook air using it. I'd like to see Apple release an AppStore for mac :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+dave164 Subscriber¹ Posted February 23, 2010 Subscriber¹ Share Posted February 23, 2010 Hmmm i don't think so somehow... Some kind of regulated environment does not sound good to me. It's completely the opposite to what Google and MS are doing. But maybe its there idea of if Mac does become mainstream how to regulate bad software like Windows has on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malisk Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 IF that happens, I think it'll only happen to the very lowest end of laptops, like the Air or perhaps a new branch of the Air. For an iPad alternative with an actual keyboard, and more horsepower. I don't think it'll happen for MacBook or MacBook Pro. Those are options for more high end users that just want to go mobile. I think doing this on those laptops would collide violently with the demographies they target, and that Apple realize this. I don't even see the need for an "iOS" on MB or MBP, as they're too powerful for the basic apps it supports. They'd have so much unused performance that it'd be silly. Two CPU cores and not even able to multitask properly, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 If Apple ever abandoned OS X as we know and love it today (the x86 version we run on there notebooks and desktops) in favour of an iPhone OS watered down version of OS X for all there systems I would abandon there platform. Simple as that. Electric Jolt 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AltecXP Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 I can see maybe the iPhone OS being used as a Fast boot, only check email/play a movie/play music type thing that is aimed for battery life, not performance. Otherwise I see no use for it. Operating systems and batteries are already getting great battery life from current hardware. The OS could run an a separate BIOS that was under clocks the CPU/GPU, and disables Bluetooth and maybe wireless or the 3g card if the user doesn't need it. You don't have to use the video card as much, and you can use the minimal specs to play a DVD/MP3/check email or IM. I can see great battery life from that when my iPhone 3Gs gets 24hrs while playing MP3's for 20 of those hrs with the 3g on, Bluetooth off and brightness at 1/2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Neo Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 What would be the point of running iPhone OS on Core 2 Duo, Core, Xeon and comparable future systems? I don't see it happening... The iPad simply isn't cut out to give users a smooth experience when running full scaled Mac OS X, nor is it suitable for touch input. People need to stop freaking out. Electric Jolt 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted February 23, 2010 Author Veteran Share Posted February 23, 2010 I can see maybe the iPhone OS being used as a Fast boot, only check email/play a movie/play music type thing that is aimed for battery life, not performance. Otherwise I see no use for it. Operating systems and batteries are already getting great battery life from current hardware. The OS could run an a separate BIOS that was under clocks the CPU/GPU, and disables Bluetooth and maybe wireless or the 3g card if the user doesn't need it. You don't have to use the video card as much, and you can use the minimal specs to play a DVD/MP3/check email or IM. I can see great battery life from that when my iPhone 3Gs gets 24hrs while playing MP3's for 20 of those hrs with the 3g on, Bluetooth off and brightness at 1/2. For fast boot sure, but iPhone OS for me boots no faster (from a cold boot) then a Mac Book Pro (also form cold boot) does for me with a SSD in it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Neo Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 But iPhone OS for me boots no faster (from a cold boot) then a Mac Book Pro (also form cold boot) does for me with a SSD in it... You know this because you booted the same Mac with iPhone OS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AltecXP Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 For fast boot sure, but iPhone OS for me boots no faster (from a cold boot) then a Mac Book Pro (also form cold boot) does for me with a SSD in it... I'm sure a desktop/laptop SSD, GPU, RAM and CPU will boot it much faster then mobile phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted February 24, 2010 Author Veteran Share Posted February 24, 2010 I'm sure a desktop/laptop SSD, GPU, RAM and CPU will boot it much faster then mobile phone. Then why does my iPhone take a few seconds longer to boot from Off then my laptop does? littearly pressing power at the same time on both... the iPhone does not start fast from off... it is pretty slow booting... and the iPhone OS is just a subset of OSX... same OS just services disabled and features stripped out... but im not comparing the os's together I'm saying I can still start my laptop faster then an iPhone starts... it's not "instant on" like you would want for a pre-boot environment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giga Veteran Posted February 24, 2010 Veteran Share Posted February 24, 2010 Then why does my iPhone take a few seconds longer to boot from Off then my laptop does? littearly pressing power at the same time on both... the iPhone does not start fast from off... it is pretty slow booting... and the iPhone OS is just a subset of OSX... same OS just services disabled and features stripped out... but im not comparing the os's together I'm saying I can still start my laptop faster then an iPhone starts... it's not "instant on" like you would want for a pre-boot environment... Because your laptop has a much faster drive and processor? The 3GS is much quicker to boot than the original and 3G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted February 24, 2010 Member Share Posted February 24, 2010 I just don't see this happening. It would be suicide for Apple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltLife Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 This is an interesting post. I for one, would NOT enjoy a system that is completely locked down in the sense this article is portraying (I'd be jailbreaking). However, if they were, in some way to incorporate their app-store to be the default installation method (think apt-get, synaptic package manager) I can see some advantages. However, they would HAVE to keep it possible for alternative installations methods for advanced users. Is this processor they are manufacturing capable of todays applications (Photoshop for example?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Kompressor Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 this should've had a poll attached to it... and a big NO is my answer. i would not buy a computer with a closed OS. sorry I will switch to something else... i don't like the closed ipad...the phone is one thing but a laptop computer? not in hell. :x :wacko: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted February 24, 2010 Veteran Share Posted February 24, 2010 I can't see them turning OS X into an App Store only thing, it doesn't work on desktops (and the limitations are too great, Apple knows they have customers who need more than a phone) I can see them taking other things, but the app store isn't one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted February 24, 2010 Author Veteran Share Posted February 24, 2010 (edited) Because your laptop has a much faster drive and processor? The 3GS is much quicker to boot than the original and 3G. And if we replace the Mac Book Air processor with the A4 chip, it's now the same speed... part of the article talked about replaceing the processors with Apple's silicon, not maintaining the Intel chips that you have now... I seriously hope Apple doesn't think they can use their chips for all their systems at some point... because yet another architecture change would kill them... going from PPC to Intel was tons of fun as it was... going from PPC to Intel then to ARM would kill them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giga Veteran Posted February 24, 2010 Veteran Share Posted February 24, 2010 And if we replace the Mac Book Air processor with the A4 chip, it's now the same speed... part of the article talked about replaceing the processors with Apple's silicon, not maintaining the Intel chips that you have now...... I'm lost. No one knows the boot time of iPhone OS on an A4 or rather on a modern day SSD. We don't even know how fast or slow the A4 is in comparison to a 1.8ghz Core 2 Duo in Macbook Air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted February 24, 2010 Author Veteran Share Posted February 24, 2010 I'm lost. No one the boot time of iPhone OS on an A4 or rather on a modern day SSD. Just speculating on the fact the OS would not be instant on so it being a pre-boot environment would not be a speedy process just to do something quickly as opposed to just starting a system striaght up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giga Veteran Posted February 24, 2010 Veteran Share Posted February 24, 2010 Just speculating on the fact the OS would not be instant on so it being a pre-boot environment would not be a speedy process just to do something quickly as opposed to just starting a system striaght up Never said it would be instant on (is any modern operating system?)--just replying to your question as to why a modern laptop with an SSD boots faster than a mobile device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AltecXP Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Then why does my iPhone take a few seconds longer to boot from Off then my laptop does? Did you ACTUALLY ask that? Your comparing a 400someMHz cpu, and slow SSD that(for what i know) also acts as RAM vs a 2.0+GHz dual core CPU, DDR3 memory and much faster HD? My iPhone 3Gs boots in 14seconds. Your laptop boots faster? My Unibody MacBook is 2.4GHz, 7200rpm HDD, 4gGB DDR3 and takes 20sec to boot to login screen, maybe with a 2.8GHz CPU and SSD I'd drop under 14. I think all that addded speed an iPhone OS might make it boot a LOT faster. Probably under 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted February 24, 2010 Veteran Share Posted February 24, 2010 Who actually started the rumour of Apple moving their desktop line to ARM chips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagjohn Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 If they put an iPhone type of OS on a computer, I wouldn't buy it. That is what stopping me from buying an iPad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillz Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Hmmm i don't think so somehow... Some kind of regulated environment does not sound good to me. It's completely the opposite to what Google and MS are doing. But maybe its there idea of if Mac does become mainstream how to regulate bad software like Windows has on it. Windows has bad and good software. It's not up to Apple to decide what software is good and bad, it's up to the user to decide what works best for them. What you find bad/useless, I might find good and useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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