osirisX Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Desktop OS X isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawr_boy81 Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Right now I am paying off my overdraft, and saving up - what for? I have two Mac's but given the lack of care by Apple when it comes to their operating system I am looking at moving to the PC world. Firstly, Apple has actually stopped caring for their operating system - if you happen to have a computer prior to the move to the unibody then you're going to find that the drivers included are crap; I have a White MacBook with a GMA X3100 and the performance is horrible; and as for the so-called 'efficiency improvements; what a load of crap - recording a video using Quicktime uncompressed and after five minutes of recording the fans speed up and wreck and otherwise good video because of the nose in the background. So for me Snow Leopard has been a major let down. Secondly, mark my words this is the future of Apple; your computer is an appliance, Apple is the gate keeper and the great leader Steve Jobs will decide what can and can't be loaded onto your machine. Flash is just the starting point, I can assure you that when applications start threatening Apple they'll make damn sure they can't get on the machine unless they're severely castrated. When you combine the two together it provides me with enough motivation to move away from Mac; I loved the platform for 8 years but now Steve has made it know that he the future of Apple is selling iWidgets and not continuing to push their operating system forward in any substantiative way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xav Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 We all know people who would be better off if they couldn't "customise" or "mould" their OSes, you know, the folk who you waste afternoons/evenings clearing up the devestation when they bork their systems. I don't think they've suggested that this will replace the OS on existing machines, apple have never been about that, it's a suggestion that the iPad/iPhone OS may have broader applications and reach existing form factors, to compliment similar machines running normal OSes. This isn't a million miles from what Google are attempting with their Chromium OS either... If you don't like the sound of it you almost certainly aren't in the target market. Right now I am paying off my overdraft, and saving up - what for? I have two Mac's but given the lack of care by Apple when it comes to their operating system I am looking at moving to the PC world. Firstly, Apple has actually stopped caring for their operating system - if you happen to have a computer prior to the move to the unibody then you're going to find that the drivers included are crap; I have a White MacBook with a GMA X3100 and the performance is horrible; and as for the so-called 'efficiency improvements; what a load of crap - recording a video using Quicktime uncompressed and after five minutes of recording the fans speed up and wreck and otherwise good video because of the nose in the background. So for me Snow Leopard has been a major let down. Secondly, mark my words this is the future of Apple; your computer is an appliance, Apple is the gate keeper and the great leader Steve Jobs will decide what can and can't be loaded onto your machine. Flash is just the starting point, I can assure you that when applications start threatening Apple they'll make damn sure they can't get on the machine unless they're severely castrated. When you combine the two together it provides me with enough motivation to move away from Mac; I loved the platform for 8 years but now Steve has made it know that he the future of Apple is selling iWidgets and not continuing to push their operating system forward in any substantiative way. I'd hardly rate the X3100, you were using a remote mic, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawr_boy81 Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 I'd hardly rate the X3100, you were using a remote mic, right? X3100 isn't the 'best' but there is absolutely no reason why the performance should be crap Mac OS X when compared to Windows 7 on the *EXACT* same machine doesn't exhibit any of the problems I speak of when it comes to performance; I can make a video without the fans going crazy. Windows 7 on the machine machine is more efficient than Mac OS X Snow Leopard. Add to that when my screen goes off (I setup my screen to turn off by for my computer to stay on) on my iMac that my downloads stop downloading, the high temperature when operating (thus the reduced life span of the hardware), when I try to compress four videos at a time on my iMac it over heats, freezes up and then shuts down - I am not impressed with Apple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Neo Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 And if we replace the Mac Book Air processor with the A4 chip, it's now the same speed... I have no idea where you're basing your facts on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted February 24, 2010 Author Veteran Share Posted February 24, 2010 (edited) I have no idea where you're basing your facts on. I never said anything was a fact, didn't you see where I said I was speculating? But the chip part for the low end laptops was from the article, it talked about replacing the Mac Mini and Air with a A4 chip (they just call it apple silicone though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan- Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 This would be horrible for Apple to do, and quite frankly I think it is just a rumour. Now maybe Apple has learned some sort of 'optimizing' secret with the iPhone OS, which could lead to a more optimized OS X, but I highly doubt they would completely switch over to that. It kills so much of what Apple has been so long trying to get out to users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Neo Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I never said anything was a fact, didn't you see where I said I was speculating? But the chip part for the low end laptops was from the article, it talked about replacing the Mac Mini and Air with a A4 chip (they just call it apple silicone though) You're speculating about the fact the A4 chip is faster than a Core 2 Duo? :huh: If and when the A4 chip becomes faster there is no reason why it couldn't run a full Mac OS X version. As long as Apple provides support for it of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasethebase Reporter Posted February 25, 2010 Reporter Share Posted February 25, 2010 I wouldn't be surprised if Apple started putting the A4 (Or others like it but better) into their Mac computers and making OS X only compatible with these processors, this would instantly kill off the Hackintosh community (More than likely) and it would probably save production costs for them. As for replacing OS X on their computers, if they did this it would be stupid. Replacing OS X with the iPhone OS would probably be one of the worst business decisions in recent history, the iPhone OS is optimised for touch, hence why it's on the iPad. It isn't designed for the iMac/Macbook. If Apple did a MacBook that had a reversible screen and ran iPhone OS it would be plausible because of the fact it's a touch based computer. But their Macs are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted February 25, 2010 Author Veteran Share Posted February 25, 2010 You're speculating about the fact the A4 chip is faster than a Core 2 Duo? :huh: If and when the A4 chip becomes faster there is no reason why it couldn't run a full Mac OS X version. As long as Apple provides support for it of course. Where in the world did I say that? I never said anything about chip speed... just how fast OS's load on their relative hardware and that if they put the A4 in the lower end laptop you'd have a comparable boot time on the iPhone OS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereopixels Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I wouldn't be surprised if Apple started putting the A4 (Or others like it but better) into their Mac computers and making OS X only compatible with these processors, this would instantly kill off the Hackintosh community (More than likely) and it would probably save production costs for them. There's no way Apple would do this (well they might, but it would be a pretty stupid move) - Apple have spent the last few years getting their developers and end users shifted over to x86 from PPC; if they changed again they'd lose a lot of business. I really don't think Hackintosh is a big enough issue for them - it's not like every PC owner can successfully run OS X; it requires a very select choice of hardware to work, and even then, software updates are a grey area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Markus Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 this should've had a poll attached to it... and a big NO is my answer. i would not buy a computer with a closed OS. sorry I will switch to something else... i don't like the closed ipad...the phone is one thing but a laptop computer? not in hell. :x :wacko: Well said! Works well on the iPhone due to the small screen size and touch screen, however on powerful laptop/ desktop it'd freak me out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neroscent Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 "Apple is a mobile devices company. This is what we do." -Steve Jobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azies Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Rumors, but if this is true, I'm damn glad I bought my Asus machine over a Macbook like I originally planned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xav Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Add to that when my screen goes off (I setup my screen to turn off by for my computer to stay on) on my iMac that my downloads stop downloading You know how wrong that is, right? It's just not possible. Either look at your console logs or connect to the box via ssh while the "screen is off" you'll probably find that something is turning a great deal more than the display off. I have one machine that has it's display off and runs 24x7 flawlessly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Neo Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Where in the world did I say that? I never said anything about chip speed... just how fast OS's load on their relative hardware and that if they put the A4 in the lower end laptop you'd have a comparable boot time on the iPhone OS I don't really understand the point your trying to make here... Obviously two devices with similar hardware (especially CPU and storage) will have similar boot times when running the same operating system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xav Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 For reference, my netbook running snow leopard (details linked in my sig to those interested) boots as quick as my iPhone. Waking from sleep by opening the lid is no slower. Boot times mean zip anyhow when 99.8% of the time the device is just sleeping or hibernating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PL_ Veteran Posted February 27, 2010 Veteran Share Posted February 27, 2010 I wrote an editorial about this a while back. neufuse mentioned not wanting to use an App Store model, but just because current versions of the iPhone OS do doesn't mean a Mac edition would. It would be a hard sell to current users. You're speculating about the fact the A4 chip is faster than a Core 2 Duo? :huh: If and when the A4 chip becomes faster there is no reason why it couldn't run a full Mac OS X version. As long as Apple provides support for it of course. Surely that would involve rewriting the whole system for ARM. It just doesn't sound like a good idea. There's no way Apple would do this (well they might, but it would be a pretty stupid move) - Apple have spent the last few years getting their developers and end users shifted over to x86 from PPC; if they changed again they'd lose a lot of business. I really don't think Hackintosh is a big enough issue for them - it's not like every PC owner can successfully run OS X; it requires a very select choice of hardware to work, and even then, software updates are a grey area. Agreed. Not to mention Apple are big on the whole "You can run Windows!" thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted February 27, 2010 Veteran Share Posted February 27, 2010 OS X already runs on ARM, the problem is 3rd party apps don't. And neither does Windows. And the ARM chips aren't as fast as a C2D, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Neo Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Surely that would involve rewriting the whole system for ARM. It just doesn't sound like a good idea. Mac OS X (in the form of iPhone OS) already runs on ARM. But they just made the switch to Intel and I seriously doubt Apple is capable to design desktop/laptop-class CPUs that outperform Intel's and manages to distribute them in the same quantities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madoshi Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 i know several people who got a MacBook Pro so they could edit video on-the-go, or at least do some decent Photoshop work. they went Apple for the Mac OS and standard Firewire ports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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