Stetson Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 Why would you want to change that? I say leave it the way it is. Darn, you beat me to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hani Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 Why would you want to change that? I say leave it the way it is. (Y) I agree 100% with the OP. Check this thread. Hundred of posts bashing users who disabled a couple of services in W7. ripprasternode 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Veteran Posted March 2, 2010 Veteran Share Posted March 2, 2010 My thoughts, not as a moderator but as an observer: It's a fair point of course (the complaint, not the request for another forum which I can only assume wasn't serious) but it's up to you guys to weed it out of the community. And the easiest method is through ignoring them: they're looking for a argument where none exists - everyone likes their system in a different way. So if you try your hardest not to engage with off-topic trolling comments (i.e. not healthy debate - we LIKE opinions!) in a thread asking specifically about customization, then they'll eventually disappear. There's little we can really do as staff members because it's a legitimate point of view, just poorly expressed. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripprasternode Posted March 3, 2010 Author Share Posted March 3, 2010 It's true I don't have many posts under my belt here, this is mostly because my questions have been asked and answered already. I have been a member for a while and a guest reader since I first used XP many years ago, so I am qualified to make observations. There is a little sarcasm in requesting a separate forum :), I don't know if there is ever going to be a place for "Leave it the way it is" or what they would talk about amongst themselves. I'm not alone in feeling that a customizing windows forum is not the place for it. I read the customizing windows forum to learn how to make windows function the way I want it to, and on a higher level I'm also learning about how windows works, understanding the registry, services, policies etc. Ignoring them is one solution, hope it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted March 3, 2010 Administrators Share Posted March 3, 2010 You're about 3 years late mate, the customization crew moved on shortly after Vista was released and (for the most part) never came back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hani Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 You're about 3 years late mate, the customization crew moved on shortly after Vista was released and (for the most part) never came back. I think it is much more evident with 7 because many hated Vista and worship 7 as if it is a godsend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goji Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 You're about 3 years late mate, the customization crew moved on shortly after Vista was released and (for the most part) never came back. That was a sad moment at Neowin. A wonderful modding community snuffed out over night :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidSolstice Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Then, as a converse, why not allow certain tweaks to be discouraged or banned? Humans can't tolerate certain levels of stupidtiy, if we see something we know is dangerous, we make it clear. It's great and all to say that there is no freedom of customization and all attempts are met with nothing but "leave it the way it is", but if you look past that flawed sentiment and notice that with exceptions, the majority of these are NOT for the average user and post guides that make no mention of requiring an advanced user base are a threat to computing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkaic Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Would be screw ups just like the Dems.??Nothing will change and be better despite what all the right supporters??say/think.??We need a 3rd major party to step up...but that wont happen for a long time if at all. Maybe it's a little of both. Anyway, what is really needed is for a few on this site to stop with all the arguing and being just general asses about things and start being helpful. If you can't be helpful then just move along to another thread. My 2 cents anyway. You're about 3 years late mate, the customization crew moved on shortly after Vista was released and (for the most part) never came back. Isn't Kudos here? Or did he never do customizations. I agree with the OP totally! Is Win7 Customizable like XP was or even any degree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkaic Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 For some reason I can't edit the above post. :sigh: Anyways two of those quotes don't belong there, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raa Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 So true... I find it ironic that you registered 3 years ago and only have 3 posts to your name though. P.S. You'd REALLY want to leave 32bit Windows the way it is??? :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripprasternode Posted March 4, 2010 Author Share Posted March 4, 2010 I find it ironic that you registered 3 years ago and only have 3 posts to your name though. To address that irony, in the past this forum was much more about advanced users helping others. An advanced users credibility in the forum came from answering the questions the more technically difficult the better, they were proud to demonstrate this technical knowledge. So my humble questions were already asked and answered, problem solved, I had nothing helpful to add so no post. I post now because these real advanced users are being replaced by fraudulent self proclaimed experts saying "I am an expert, changing it will have (insert unspecified/exaggerated/or just plain lie here) consequences, don't change it.", "If you like it that way go back to XP.". Any fool can say that and any fool 3 posts or 3000 can see the truth, This guy does not know the answer! I just felt I had to say something about this. The emperor has no clothes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MS Bob 11 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 They treat you like dirt and hurl insults if you don't like Windows 7. You have no choice. You have GOT TO LIKE IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidSolstice Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 To address that irony, in the past this forum was much more about advanced users helping others. An advanced users credibility in the forum came from answering the questions the more technically difficult the better, they were proud to demonstrate this technical knowledge. So my humble questions were already asked and answered, problem solved, I had nothing helpful to add so no post. I post now because these real advanced users are being replaced by fraudulent self proclaimed experts saying "I am an expert, changing it will have (insert unspecified/exaggerated/or just plain lie here) consequences, don't change it.", "If you like it that way go back to XP.". Any fool can say that and any fool 3 posts or 3000 can see the truth, This guy does not know the answer! I just felt I had to say something about this. The emperor has no clothes. And yet, for all your, for lack of a better word, nostalgia, you haven't' been doing anything at all to further the advancement of helping users in the time you've been here. You don't get it. You can't be righteous about your cause when the hypocrisy is just unbelievable. There is always a question on this forum which you can answer, you just need to find it. If you at least did that, you'd have even moderate credibility. But so far, excepting 1 post of yours, all you've done is criticize everyone else and claimed, what was the phrase you used? Oh yes, "insert unspecified/exaggerated/or just plain lie here". You have no basis for that whatsoever; all your proof stands by is one post in which a user did not know how to hide the Action Center icon, but phrased it incorrectly a manner that seemed as though he was asking how to physically remove the action center. And then, after thoroughly misinterpreting what the OP was asking for, you provided some "solution" which no one was looking for and then lectured everyone LONG after his problem was solved about how we're all forgetting the point of the forum. Source Thread | Here, I shall quote exactly WHAT the OP asked for, just for the sake of emphasis. And I'll also point out what your "solution" was as well as what you lectured people on. What the OP asked: This feature has no place for an advanced PC-user and on a laptop that space it takes up sitting on the notification bar could be used for more useful purposes. I know I can customize the notification area to show/hide icons but that also brings with it yet another icon that takes up valuble taskbar space and it complicates the notification icons with future software installs. How can I completely remove action center or at the very least PERMANTLY remove it's icon from the notification area?? Although he makes the request on removing the Action Center, all of his descriptions as to why the Icon annoy him point to just that, the ICON. The very next post after this, if you remember, someone immediately pointed out you can simply hide Action Center permanently, and that was that. There was no need to remove anything else. Then 3 whole pages after that solution was given and the thread was just another "Tweakers vs. Non-tweakers" debate, this is what you wrote: -----=====THE SOLUTION=====----- To the OP, Novusordo, yes it can be done. Get "Take Ownership" from here http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/add-take-ownership-to-explorer-right-click-menu-in-vista/ right click and take ownership of c:\windows\system32\ActionCenter.DLL and c:\windows\system32\ActionCenterCPL.DLL rename those files .bak and reboot. On a sad sidenote, I'm so sorry you had to put up with the replies you recieved. In a "Customizing Windows" forum they say "leave it the way it is". Not one of them knew the answer and saying "there's no problem" is just a way to still sound like they know everything. They may now reply with "I knew the answer all along, I didn't tell because... " it's pathetic just ignore them. The sad and pathetic thing is we all knew the answer; he just wanted to get rid of the damn icon, nothing else. I can argue damn near every single thread you claim is just a bunch of people bashing on the OP for wanting to do something which is inadvisable. The most recent example which works with your own example of "If you like it that way, go back to XP". A user did not like Windows Explorer, at least not the one that is standard with Windows 7, and expressed frustration that copying over the Explorer.exe file from Windows XP did not work. My question is: What the hell else did you think people would say? That's like being angry that your Windows XP theme does not work with Windows 7. A, it should have made sense that it was just not the correct solution, and B, numerous alternative shells were being offered as solutions, but everyone made it quite clear that the only way to have teh Windows XP explorer would be to go back to Windows XP. We're not all out to be self-proclaimed experts, but you can be damn sure that we're out to stop self-help solutions that can really mess up a PC. So please, for the last time, as you've happily made public on my profile as well as through PMs, get off your pedestal of mysterious knowledge that for some reason the rest of us do not posess, help out the forum, and maybe, just maybe, people will stop harping on about your 3 posts. The generic question "post count matters?" only applies when someone is bragging that a very high post count must indicate some sort of forum success, and on the flipside, a very VERY low post count, coupled with the preachiness of telling everyone what they're doing wrong, along with the arrogance of claiming that stating the dangers of tweaking is just a lie and that we're all self-proclaimed experts, will get you nowhere except the top of people's "Dislike" list. zhangm 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripprasternode Posted March 4, 2010 Author Share Posted March 4, 2010 ^^^^^ This is exactly the sort of problem I am talking about ^^^^^ You can feel the anger and contempt, and this if from one of them who wasn't involved in the thread he refers to. Imagine posting your question in that ^^^ atmosphere... not pleasant at all. OK let's look at Novusordo's question. I will respond to this here but don't rely on some very selective quoting read the for yourself and make up your own mind. https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/820114-is-it-possible-to-completely-remove-action-center/ is it possible to COMPLETELY remove action center? (The title)This feature has no place for an advanced PC-user and on a laptop that space it takes up sitting on the notification bar could be used for more useful purposes. I know I can customize the notification area to show/hide icons but that also brings with it yet another icon that takes up valuble taskbar space and it complicates the notification icons with future software installs. How can I completely remove action center or at the very least PERMANTLY remove it's icon from the notification area?? The OP question was (title) "is it possible to COMPLETELY remove action center?". I didn't add the CAPS, this is exactly how the OP wrote it. It is clear the OP wants to completely get rid of action center. It is also clear that IF THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE he wants to "at the very least PERMANTLY remove it's icon from the notification area??" (is it even possible to interpret it any other way?) The answer to his question "is it possible to COMPLETELY remove action center?" is YES from somebody who has tested it, no complications no side effects, and here's how in simple steps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidSolstice Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 You're impossible and stubborn. You know very well the OP just wanted the icon gone and did not know how to phrase it. He assumed Action Center was a regular program. How do I know this? BECAUSE HE WAS CONTENT WITH THE SOLUTION OF HIDING THE ICON. Permanently hiding the icon was fine by him, he simply did not want it to appear there. He didn't have to delete ANY dll files to do that. If hiding the icon was not enough for him, he would very much SAY so. PM him and ask him, I promise you he'll say it's the way he wanted it right now. Jesus. You're almost as much of a self-proclaimed annoyance as you claim everyone else to be. Thank you for also ignoring every other part of my reply. You are just in so deep and you have no idea where to begin. You've lost any shred of respect I had for you, as well as others', I'm sure. Your intentions are fair but your basis is ridiculously weak and your hypocrisy is just overbearing. Goodbye, I am done with this thread and your arrogance. PS. For further proof, look at this post: https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/820114-is-it-possible-to-completely-remove-action-center/page__view__findpost__p__591536018. That's when he thanks Unconnected for showing him how to hide the icon and he never returns to the thread again, even through all 3 pages of garbage and finally your "solution". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Lyons10 Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 You're right, people should start offering helpful responses to posts instead of completely ignoring the question and giving their opinion. I agree 100%. I mean, I remember the thread where someone wanted to use the Windows XP explorer in Windows 7, and I agree that some of the posts were just unhelpful. I mean, saying "Well, technically you can't do that", is one thing. But saying "Just upgrade already and stop living in the past"... Is a bit ridiculous and FAR from helpful. I've had this discussion on here a few times actually. It just seems to be getting worse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamwhoiam Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 ^ It is getting pretty bad. Riding someone's sack because of post counts also happens quite frequently, as is evident above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted March 4, 2010 Administrators Share Posted March 4, 2010 I agree 100%. I mean, I remember the thread where someone wanted to use the Windows XP explorer in Windows 7, and I agree that some of the posts were just unhelpful. I mean, saying "Well, technically you can't do that", is one thing. But saying "Just upgrade already and stop living in the past"... Is a bit ridiculous and FAR from helpful. I've had this discussion on here a few times actually. It just seems to be getting worse... (Bolded for clarity) A statement I've seen since 2001. It has always been this bad due to a select minority of users of this forum :p We've been "going downhill" since we opened the site, but really we haven't changed that much, maybe just gotten a bit more organised on the forum moderation front. Trust me, in 2003/4 it was a hell hole here, and not a nice place to be, may have been busier but also extremely stressful for the staff as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDStriker Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 I think it's more of a complaint about certain posters in some threads than an actual request for a new subforum :p could just move those type of posts to a trash sub forum :D I can agree with this the environment here gets rather hostile e.g. liquids response he does have some valid points however there are people who want to push their agenda and gets angry at the idea that they are not happy with something in the all mighty windows 7 could go more into it but it will start another flame so will leave it for the moment :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xav Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Nope. Just pointing out that the OP started this topic and has posted a total of 2 times. Doesn't seem like he/she was involved enough to begin with. He has been a member for getting on towards 3 years. You've been a member for 2 weeks? Maybe he has only felt the need to comment twice in three years, surely that's a sign of quality over quantity? 100+ posts in just over two weeks on the other hand? heh, funneh. Time for you to get your +1 with a silly reply no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrCheese Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 (Y) I agree 100% with the OP. Check this thread. Hundred of posts bashing users who disabled a couple of services in W7. That's because it *is* stupid. It would be even more stupid if users weren't allowed to post why it's a retarded idea to go around disabling services and installing registry "tweaks" that so called "power users" think they understand. For example, there was a thread a while ago about "Speeding up Windows" by putting the page file in system memory. This was a down right stupid idea and users posted as such. Brandon live (Works for MS) gave a long post about why it was stupid. This is a technical forum that should give correct information, if we allowed this sort of incorrect rubbish to go through unchecked, it would just make Neowin look stupid. MR_Candyman, +Frank B. and Mamoun 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR_Candyman Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 That's because it *is* stupid. It would be even more stupid if users weren't allowed to post why it's a retarded idea to go around disabling services and installing registry "tweaks" that so called "power users" think they understand. For example, there was a thread a while ago about "Speeding up Windows" by putting the page file in system memory. This was a down right stupid idea and users posted as such. Brandon live (Works for MS) gave a long post about why it was stupid. This is a technical forum that should give correct information, if we allowed this sort of incorrect rubbish to go through unchecked, it would just make Neowin look stupid. You sir bring some sense into this topic and I shall rank you up accordingly. I have not read it all, but in my opinion Neowin has gotten a lot BETTER over time because people are getting smarter. Yes, there's an ever increasing divide between the people who just repeat what they heard somebody else saying and the people who have knowledge and experience, especially the ones who give advice like it should be: the truth. This does occasionally result in conflict, but if there IS debate in the topic, perhaps people should investigate and think about both sides of the fence and form their own opinion. As for the idea of creating a "leave it the way it is" forum: What would you post about? It seems like the dullest idea for a forum ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted March 4, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted March 4, 2010 That's because it *is* stupid. It would be even more stupid if users weren't allowed to post why it's a retarded idea to go around disabling services and installing registry "tweaks" that so called "power users" think they understand. For example, there was a thread a while ago about "Speeding up Windows" by putting the page file in system memory. This was a down right stupid idea and users posted as such. Brandon live (Works for MS) gave a long post about why it was stupid. This is a technical forum that should give correct information, if we allowed this sort of incorrect rubbish to go through unchecked, it would just make Neowin look stupid. 100% agreed. Some 'tweaking Windows' tips floating around the Neowin forums are downright stupid and deserve to be shot down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hani Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 That's because it *is* stupid. It would be even more stupid if users weren't allowed to post why it's a retarded idea to go around disabling services and installing registry "tweaks" that so called "power users" think they understand. For example, there was a thread a while ago about "Speeding up Windows" by putting the page file in system memory. This was a down right stupid idea and users posted as such. Brandon live (Works for MS) gave a long post about why it was stupid. This is a technical forum that should give correct information, if we allowed this sort of incorrect rubbish to go through unchecked, it would just make Neowin look stupid. The stupidity of one tweak doesn't imply the stupidity of other tweaks. Many power users do understand. I've read a lot about UAC, but I still have it disabled. I've disabled a couple of extra services too and the OS is perfectly stable. It's not like I disable services blindly. For registry tweaks, I've disabled the Internet Open With dialog and removed the "Shortcut - " prefix. It perfectly makes sense to sort out any issues I have with my OS. Windows 7 is NOT perfect. It just brought this mentality of "MS developers know better". I don't give a damn about them, I have a mind to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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