Steve Jobs, "Computers are like a bicycle for our minds."


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While I maintain my opinion that Steve Jobs is very arrogant, he also happens to be open minded and intelligent in his own principle.

I thought I'd share this bit with the purpose of bringing up a particular matter which involves Apple Inc. Entertainment has been the dominant focus for Apple ever since the first iteration of the iPod. I have come to believe that their computers are what makes the company stand apart from the rest but their priority has shifted to handheld peripherals, music and video. I would like Apple to focus more on their Computers. What I mean by this is that I use to see the passion they had when they were on Power-PC and now Macs just seem to impersonate PCs in some respects. I guess what I'm trying to say is I miss the old days but Apple has become too focused on iTunes, iPhone and soon to be iPad. I understand that profit is a motive for all companies but I want to see some passion.
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While I maintain my opinion that Steve Jobs is very arrogant, he also happens to be open minded and intelligent in his own principle.

I thought I'd share this bit with the purpose of bringing up a particular matter which involves Apple Inc. Entertainment has been the dominant focus for Apple ever since the first iteration of the iPod. I have come to believe that their computers are what makes the company stand apart from the rest but their priority has shifted to handheld peripherals, music and video. I would like Apple to focus more on their Computers. What I mean by this is that I use to see the passion they had when they were on Power-PC and now Macs just seem to impersonate PCs in some respects. I guess what I'm trying to say is I miss the old days but Apple has become too focused on iTunes, iPhone and soon to be iPad. I understand that profit is a motive for all companies but I want to see some passion.

PURE profit is the goal of Apple. Nothing comes to the good of a proprietary based company. Everyone can argue that Apple's sales have increased but I believe that they would be bigger if it was a little more open on the software side (maybe hardware).

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I share your sentiment that Apple these days have lost their focus on computers. The iToys are an easier sell and probably earn a higher profit margin (especially when you factor in Music and App Store sales). But I think it's hard to get excited about any computer these days. It seems as if there's no real innovative ideas left. That it's all been done.

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I share your sentiment that Apple these days have lost their focus on computers. The iToys are an easier sell and probably earn a higher profit margin (especially when you factor in Music and App Store sales). But I think it's hard to get excited about any computer these days. It seems as if there's no real innovative ideas left. That it's all been done.

A look at some of the things Microsoft has been doing lately makes you tend to disagree.

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Courier did look interesting, but I'm still waiting. The HP Slate isn't it.

And a lot of the time, research projects don't make it into mainstream products.

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I'm sorry but Apple would stay a small company by doing what you 'personally' want to do. Their focus has shifted to todays markets and they make decent products too.

Yup I agree with protocol7, there is very little that can be done to innovate our PC's these days without some extra hardware. Touch screen, motion control and thought controlled devices will improve the PC experience...

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I'm sorry but Apple would stay a small company by doing what you 'personally' want to do. Their focus has shifted to todays markets and they make decent products too.

Yup I agree with protocol7, there is very little that can be done to innovate our PC's these days without some extra hardware. Touch screen, motion control and thought controlled devices will improve the PC experience...

Just so you know

I didn't mean to imply Apple go into the opposite extreme and neglect the current markets they're trying to penetrate into. I'm just saying to Apple give your Macs some attention.

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A look at some of the things Microsoft has been doing lately makes you tend to disagree.

Microsoft is far more innovative than people give them credit for. They just don't have the same drones that Apple has.

Things like Instant Search, shadow copies, etc. were all pioneered by Microsoft from the early 90s Cairo project. Apple ended up "borrowing" them and taking them to market first.

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PURE profit is the goal of Apple. Nothing comes to the good of a proprietary based company. Everyone can argue that Apple's sales have increased but I believe that they would be bigger if it was a little more open on the software side (maybe hardware).

Nope. Microsoft isn't proprietary to begin with.

Define "proprietary". If anything, Apple is less proprietary than Microsoft. To start with, the core of their OS is open source.

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I'm not going to bother watching video cause obvious fact that "Computers are like a bicycle for our minds" is pretty good sum up for older generation like his but those who're not familiar or frequent/active users of I.T stuff and like people new to riding without training wheels and use trial and error (like they get going then think it's a playing field then get stung by malware of sorts then avoid it thereafter). Computers/I.T for majority of younger and more active I.T people is more like bubble gum for the mind mixed with logical thinking and understanding.

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Microsoft is far more innovative than people give them credit for. They just don't have the same drones that Apple has.

Things like Instant Search, shadow copies, etc. were all pioneered by Microsoft from the early 90s Cairo project. Apple ended up "borrowing" them and taking them to market first.

Thats funny. I don't see too many Apple drones touting about how Apple made product X first. MS drones seem to be the ones obsessed by the topic (case and point, YOU). Does it really matter who came up with what feature first and who put it in what product first? Ridiculous waist of time that is persisted on the internet for years now. STOP IT! For the love of god.

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Define "proprietary". If anything, Apple is less proprietary than Microsoft. To start with, the core of their OS is open source.

Didn't they stop that with 10.5? If i remember right it was only open source for 10.0-10.4.

Also it was already open before they started using it, it's just a heavily modified *nix base. Microsofts first OS was a *nix they moved from it to DOS then on to what we know now.

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A look at some of the things Microsoft has been doing lately makes you tend to disagree.

oh man thats hillarious, yeah windows 7 is so innovative

MS vs Apple when it comes to bringing ideas to makrket

first to GUI=Apple

popularization of current notebook form factor=Apple

touchpad=Apple

Popularization of portable MP3 players=Apple

popularization of touch screen smart phones=Apple

transparency=apple

drop shadows=apple

512x512 icons=apple (first to even use icons?apple)

I could go on allllllll day :laugh:

The only thing innovative in Redmond is ruthless, cut throat, constricting and disgusting business practices with a "me too" marketing strategy

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oh man thats hillarious, yeah windows 7 is so innovative

MS vs Apple when it comes to bringing ideas to makrket

first to GUI=Apple

popularization of current notebook form factor=Apple

touchpad=Apple

Popularization of portable MP3 players=Apple

popularization of touch screen smart phones=Apple

transparency=apple

drop shadows=apple

512x512 icons=apple (first to even use icons?apple)

I could go on allllllll day :laugh:

The only thing innovative in Redmond is ruthless, cut throat, constricting and disgusting business practices with a "me too" marketing strategy

The first GUI was by Xerox and half of this stuff doesnt aply to a Apple vs MS argument because Apple is mainly a hardware company while MS is software.

Also you put things in very, very specific categories. Why not say popularization of smart phones? Because its not apple?

It sucks that all a lot of people do is argue that this person stole that, or cut down companies other prefer to the ones they themselves prefer.

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oh man thats hillarious, yeah windows 7 is so innovative

MS vs Apple when it comes to bringing ideas to makrket

first to GUI=Apple

popularization of current notebook form factor=Apple

touchpad=Apple

Popularization of portable MP3 players=Apple

popularization of touch screen smart phones=Apple

transparency=apple

drop shadows=apple

512x512 icons=apple (first to even use icons?apple)

I could go on allllllll day :laugh:

The only thing innovative in Redmond is ruthless, cut throat, constricting and disgusting business practices with a "me too" marketing strategy

You're wrong

Xerox was the first to pioneer the GUI (Apple took it from the developers(these guys were infuriated and refused to give the mouse, gui,email,networking capabilities to Apple for free ) but the brass ordered them to show all this stuff to Steve Jobs, Bill caught on and he took essentially the same stuff)

Those other claims are also debatable but I don't have the required knowledge to dispute the rest. To talk about Windows 7 like that is a sign of fear and we all know what fear leads to..

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It was actually Xerox PARC that began the GUI.

But hey. I've no idea about the other features, but I bet Apple invented none of the innovations you've just listed.

Edit: :laugh: Looks like a lot of us knew that.

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oh man thats hillarious, yeah windows 7 is so innovative

MS vs Apple when it comes to bringing ideas to makrket

first to GUI=Apple

popularization of current notebook form factor=Apple

touchpad=Apple

Popularization of portable MP3 players=Apple

popularization of touch screen smart phones=Apple

transparency=apple

drop shadows=apple

512x512 icons=apple (first to even use icons?apple)

I could go on allllllll day

The only thing innovative in Redmond is ruthless, cut throat, constricting and disgusting business practices with a "me too" marketing strategy

Wow, are you HONESTLY that stupid?

first to GUI=Xerox

popularization of current notebook form factor= They weren't the first not by a long shot, and as for popularization that is very subjective as there was way more laptops made by other manufacturers.

touchpad=Not apple. They were the first to license it, not invent it.

Popularization of portable MP3 players=Um they didn't invent mp3 players or make them popular.

popularization of touch screen smart phones=Apple

transparency=what?

drop shadows=what?

512x512 icons=so? Grasping at straws now are we?

What are you going to tell us next? Apple invented the power button?

As for Microsoft ripping off companies, how do you think Apple got hold of the GUI? Oh thats right they stole it from Xerox.

What disgusting and constricting business practices does Microsoft do? Giving discounts to OEMs that install Windows doesn't affect Apple in anyway. But I'm sure theres nothing wrong with Apple's strategy of forcing people who want to use their OS to use their hardware only.

Apple's strategy of purposely releasing first edition hardware thats lacking key features, then making tiny improvements after and re-releasing as a new product isn't ruthless at all. First iPhone anybody? Where was 3g?

Who saved Apple from going bankrupt and becoming non-existent? Oh that's right, it was Microsoft.

Also, wasn't it your immortal god that claimed tablet pcs were useless and anybody using them was stupid?

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Now dont get me wrong here, I dont hate apple. I own a 5G Ipod. Not going to the 6th because of the encryptions on it. I just cant stand their business practices. Everything is made the same(might be a change in the shell). As soon as the new one is out the old is discarded(updated for ipods anyone?). No processor upgrades in laptops, no AMD processors?

Would be better listing:

First to charge tons of money for something you'd have to pay the same price for to get an upgrade in 6 months = apple

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The iPhone hardware is quite lacking, but the platform is almost unbeatable.

For instance the camera sucks, but then again cameras for most smartphones suck. Plus the iPhone camera is excellent in daylight. It just blows at any other time. :laugh:. It's not that different from the competition if you look at it from far away.

I do think the iPod changed the mp3 player world though, there is no denying that. Every audio manufacturer you can think of has released some sort of system with an 'iPod Dock'. You don't see many/any with ZEN Docks or Zune docks.. Just an Aux port.

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As for Microsoft ripping off companies, how do you think Apple got hold of the GUI? Oh thats right they stole it from Xerox.

What disgusting and constricting business practices does Microsoft do? Giving discounts to OEMs that install Windows doesn't affect Apple in anyway. But I'm sure theres nothing wrong with Apple's strategy of forcing people who want to use their OS to use their hardware only.

Apple's strategy of purposely releasing first edition hardware thats lacking key features, then making tiny improvements after and re-releasing as a new product isn't ruthless at all. First iPhone anybody? Where was 3g?

Who saved Apple from going bankrupt and becoming non-existent? Oh that's right, it was Microsoft.

Also, wasn't it your immortal god that claimed tablet pcs were useless and anybody using them was stupid?

Also could mention that apple gets away with a lot of things microsoft gets sued for. Bundling browsers, media player, etc. Also isnt there a law or something that says you cant make your OS only for your hardware?

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?Every audio manufacturer you can think of has released some sort of system with an 'iPod Dock'. You don't see many/any with ZEN Docks or Zune docks.. Just an Aux port.

i never understood why you needed a 'dock' for an mp3 player... wouldnt a charging port, a usb cable, and maybe some kind of secondary audio-out jack be enough?

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Got to love all the haterz :D

Did xerox bring any of that to market? did xerox popularize any of that in the consumer maket? NOPE(something both MS and Apple was after)

Xerox is irrlevant now in those markets, who was first MS or Apple when it came to bringing ANYTHING to market? Well I guess MS was first when they brought an ugly OS that was vulnerable to security attacks to market and stealing ideas etc...This is the Apple board, not the "lets pretend MS ever did anything good board".

Hold up I am going to post some hate threads, contradictions and disputes to the MS boards...or wait a second theres nothing to be jealous of.

Am I going to get another warning for being positive about Apple and negative towards Windows?

Unbelievable. Look through these sections threads and half of the posters are banned and thats not hypocrisy, favoritism?

When I can voice an "opinion" here let me know

For now, in my opinions Windows sucks, deal with it

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