Mr. Gibs Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Got to love all the haterz :D Did xerox bring any of that to market? did xerox popularize any of that in the consumer maket? NOPE(something both MS and Apple was after) Xerox is irrlevant now in those markets, who was first MS or Apple when it came to bringing ANYTHING to market? Well I guess MS was first when they brought an ugly OS that was vulnerable to security attacks to market and stealing ideas etc...This is the Apple board, not the "lets pretend MS ever did anything good board". Hold up I am going to post some hate threads, contradictions and disputes to the MS boards...or wait a second theres nothing to be jealous of. Am I going to get another warning for being positive about Apple and negative towards Windows? Unbelievable. Look through these sections threads and half of the posters are banned and thats not hypocrisy, favoritism? When I can voice an "opinion" here let me know For now, in my opinions Windows sucks, deal with it Weren't you so adamant about who came up with it first / innovated it? So yes thats still Xerox. As for who popularized it? Oh that's Microsoft. But thanks for admitting you were wrong, it's a start. We all know Mac is invulnerable to security attacks, I mean it was only hacked within 2 minutes. And yes I know it was through Quicktime (?), but hey that comes installed on Mac by default. And don't pretend that if Windows was hacked through WMP all you Apple fans wouldn't start bashing windows for it. As for stealing ideas, every company steals ideas of another. If that wasn't the case, you'd have to run 5 different OSes just to get one task done. I've seen the list of windows vista copies mac os x, and what half of you apple fans don't realize is that a lot of the UI ideas and concepts were done and shown in private betas before OS X 10.x even had them. Sure Windows has copied somethings from Apple over the years, but the same holds true for Apple. If you think otherwise, you're either completely ignorant or a total idiot. Here's something you can be jealous off. Windows 7 RC beats Mac OS in market-share within 2 weeks of it being released. Yup, Windows must be so bad. And you can't claim OEMs are forced to release windows on their pcs, because its RC. You can voice your opinion here, and just to let you know a good amount of the moderators are Mac users. So don't try and pretend its because of favoritism. But you are welcome to leave, nobody's forcing you to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFuji Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 On Apple being less proprietary than Microsoft and for a good laugh: Compare their respective Open Source licenses ;) Microsoft: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/ms-pl.html Apple: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/apsl-2.0.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyX Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 The iPhone hardware is quite lacking, but the platform is almost unbeatable. For instance the camera sucks, but then again cameras for most smartphones suck. Plus the iPhone camera is excellent in daylight. It just blows at any other time. :laugh:. It's not that different from the competition if you look at it from far away. I agree with you in general, but concerning the camera in the phone, Apple takes what's on the market. They're not the ones making the cameras, they're buying them. They won't charge $200 because they put a good, nearly experimental camera in their phone. As of now, other companies have not yet managed to makes awesome cameras fit in such a small form factor, so every company chooses these because there's no real choice available. Now, they could have included a flash... but they didn't. That's another story, and I'm positive it will be fixed in the next iteration of the iPhone. Concerning the GPS, I have no idea if there's a better one out there so small, but mine is really slow to detect my position and sometimes it'll detect a wrong position for a few seconds. Annoying. As for the digital compass, I think it doesn't work as well in big cities like Montreal than it does in the regions. I tried it yesterday somewhere else, and it worked flawlessly. Anyways, just hoping everything will be fixed in the next iPhone, I can believe right now that they chose what was on the market at that time and it gave that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+jamesyfx Subscriber² Posted March 7, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted March 7, 2010 i never understood why you needed a 'dock' for an mp3 player... wouldnt a charging port, a usb cable, and maybe some kind of secondary audio-out jack be enough? 1. It looks pretty. 2. It looks tidy. 3. It's on show. 4. No cables required. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strotee Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Nope. Microsoft isn't proprietary to begin with. Is that why I cannot install a 3rd party hard drive in the 360? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motoko. Posted March 8, 2010 Author Share Posted March 8, 2010 Is that why I cannot install a 3rd party hard drive in the 360? You can if you DIY just like on a normal computer lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillz Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Thats funny. I don't see too many Apple drones touting about how Apple made product X first. MS drones seem to be the ones obsessed by the topic (case and point, YOU). Does it really matter who came up with what feature first and who put it in what product first? Ridiculous waist of time that is persisted on the internet for years now. STOP IT! For the love of god. You've obviously never visited AppleInsider, MacRumors or several other boards overrun by the biggest Apple fanboys you'll ever meet. Fortunately, Neowin is far better. But there are some communities that are all Apple, and the slightest discussion of Windows, Linux, etc. does nothing but start flame wars. You try to present factual arguments on some of those boards and all you'll get in response is what a wonderful human being Steve Jobs is, how wonderful Apple products are, how evil Microsoft is, etc. And I guess it's odd how I'm suddenly a "Microsoft drone" for being slightly critical of the Apple fan base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Patriot Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Nope. Microsoft isn't proprietary to begin with. I think you forgot to include sarcasm tags there. Microsoft is FAR more proprietary than Apple in a lot of ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Patriot Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 You can if you DIY just like on a normal computer lol. Not without being limited to the sizes of hard drives that Microsoft already produces for the system. Compare that to the PS3's ability to quickly and easily install ANY notebook sized SATA hard drive you like. Hell, the procedure is actually documented in the users manual that comes with the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted March 8, 2010 Member Share Posted March 8, 2010 I think you forgot to include sarcasm tags there. Microsoft is FAR more proprietary than Apple in a lot of ways. Just curious, in which ways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahhell Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Define "proprietary". If anything, Apple is less proprietary than Microsoft. To start with, the core of their OS is open source. LOLOLOLOLOL Did you actually write that with a straight face????? :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motoko. Posted March 8, 2010 Author Share Posted March 8, 2010 Not without being limited to the sizes of hard drives that Microsoft already produces for the system. Compare that to the PS3's ability to quickly and easily install ANY notebook sized SATA hard drive you like. Hell, the procedure is actually documented in the users manual that comes with the system. Well you're right about that. Clearly Microsoft wants you to purchase their outrageously priced accessories. But you can install a WD 250GB hdd, IMO that should be enough for todays game consoles. From what I read MS only supports specific size SKUs (20,60,120, and now 250GB). Make what you can out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PL_ Veteran Posted March 8, 2010 Veteran Share Posted March 8, 2010 LOLOLOLOLOL Did you actually write that with a straight face????? :rofl: ...yeah, I did. If I'm wrong feel free to provide evidence and I'll gladly apologise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverL Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 ...yeah, I did. If I'm wrong feel free to provide evidence and I'll gladly apologise. The mach kernel is not open source(is it?). It does have some implementations from various BSD operating systems though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PL_ Veteran Posted March 9, 2010 Veteran Share Posted March 9, 2010 The mach kernel is not open source(is it?). It does have some implementations from various BSD operating systems though. It is (the kernel's called XNU), and even more parts of the OS are available as Darwin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Patriot Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 Just curious, in which ways? The audio and video file formats that are native to Quicktime are standards (AAC and H264). Large portions of the OS are open source. Apple updates the Windows and OS X versions of their cross-platform apps (Safari, Quicktime, and iTunes) simultaneously. How often does Microsoft update Media Player for OS X?? Oh, yeah, they don't offer a new version anymore, and the Quicktime components that they distribute for another company are horribly out of date. I could go on, but I have a feeling that you and others will simply dismiss any notion that Apple is less proprietary than Microsoft anyway. Well you're right about that. Clearly Microsoft wants you to purchase their outrageously priced accessories. But you can install a WD 250GB hdd, IMO that should be enough for todays game consoles. From what I read MS only supports specific size SKUs (20,60,120, and now 250GB). Make what you can out of it. Yes, you are limited to those 4 sizes, AFAIK. And if you are using the console as a media center as well (as many PS3 owners do), you can quickly run out of space with even a 250GB drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giga Veteran Posted March 9, 2010 Veteran Share Posted March 9, 2010 The mach kernel is not open source(is it?). It does have some implementations from various BSD operating systems though. Entire Darwin sources: http://www.opensource.apple.com/ XNU kernel: http://www.opensource.apple.com/source/xnu/xnu-1486.2.11/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverL Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 It is (the kernel's called XNU), and even more parts of the OS are available as Darwin. Entire Darwin sources: http://www.opensource.apple.com/ XNU kernel: http://www.opensource.apple.com/source/xnu/xnu-1486.2.11/ So only the parts that they've taken from other open source operating systems, I mean they have to do that otherwise they'd end up like MS did with that one utility for putting windows on a flash drive. I knew there were some aspects to apple that were Open Source but the kernel alone doesnt make the mac. Though less proprietary than MS, but I'm sure if they could hide it... they would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Patriot Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 So only the parts that they've taken from other open source operating systems, I mean they have to do that otherwise they'd end up like MS did with that one utility for putting windows on a flash drive. I knew there were some aspects to apple that were Open Source but the kernel alone doesnt make the mac. Though less proprietary than MS, but I'm sure if they could hide it... they would. Actually, you are wrong. Apple doesn't have to share this source because most of the things they have used are under the BSD license, not GPL (like the utility that Microsoft got busted for). The BSD license does not require derivative software to be open source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted March 10, 2010 Member Share Posted March 10, 2010 The audio and video file formats that are native to Quicktime are standards (AAC and H264). Large portions of the OS are open source. Apple updates the Windows and OS X versions of their cross-platform apps (Safari, Quicktime, and iTunes) simultaneously. How often does Microsoft update Media Player for OS X?? Oh, yeah, they don't offer a new version anymore, and the Quicktime components that they distribute for another company are horribly out of date. I could go on, but I have a feeling that you and others will simply dismiss any notion that Apple is less proprietary than Microsoft anyway. Thanks for the info. Like I said, I was just curious. I have no agenda here for either side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillz Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 ? Clearly Microsoft wants you to purchase their outrageously priced accessories.? It's funny that you say Microsoft has outrageously priced accessories when you consider how much Apple charges for many of their accessories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motoko. Posted March 16, 2010 Author Share Posted March 16, 2010 ? It's funny that you say Microsoft has outrageously priced accessories when you consider how much Apple charges for many of their accessories. Keep in mind that I didn't just keep MS in the spotlight. Apple isn't innocent either so make no mistake; All companies will do what they can to cut a profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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