Max_Payne_UK Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 How dare you bring reason and logic into this topic... :devil: Good read, thanks. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralDogma Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 Not sure how truthful this article is but I read it none the less and agreed with it. I don't think anybody has a leg to stand on if they plan on taking Sony to court. http://gamer.blorge.com/2010/04/04/legal-take-lawsuit-against-ps3-v3-21-does-not-hold-water-in-court/ EULAs are a murkey area law wise. I would love to see this go to court to see if it would actually hold any water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey B. Veteran Posted April 6, 2010 Veteran Share Posted April 6, 2010 So why was it required for Slim PS3 owners to get this update if it did absolutely nothing for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Payne_UK Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 So why was it required for Slim PS3 owners to get this update if it did absolutely nothing for them. For PSN access Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbandonedTrolley Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 Main features in system software update version 3.21Settings The [install Other OS] and [Default System] features have been deleted. Other ? The playback quality of some PlayStation? format software that is downloaded (as a purchase or for free) from PlayStation?Store has been improved. ? A security patch was added to address security vulnerabilities that may occur when playing MP4 format video files. So why was it required for Slim PS3 owners to get this update if it did absolutely nothing for them. It did as mentioned in my previous post in this thread :) It also improved some PS1 games and also fixed MP4 security flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ichi Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 edit: Wait, so the gov't got 2,200 more PS3's recently to use in a cluster? With the slim's not supporting Linux, where did they come from? Did Sony specially build them? If so, your point is moot. Back in 2009 the PS3 slim was just being announced. I'm not pointing to anyone specifically, but I'd be curious how many truly outraged PS3 owners are in this thread vs the usual crowd who likes to pile on anything negative about Sony? You can check my posting history if you feel like it. For what is worth removing OtherOS doesn't affect me the least bit, and I actually bought a slim because I wasn't interested on that. I just think this is an unfair move for all the fat PS3 owners, not just those that actually use that feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedon Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 I just don't want features I paid for taken away from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Payne_UK Posted April 7, 2010 Share Posted April 7, 2010 I just don't want features I paid for taken away from me. Nobody does but when the features pose a risk to the securtity of the system, Sony are quite in their rights to remove it. It's one of those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PL_ Veteran Posted April 7, 2010 Veteran Share Posted April 7, 2010 Nobody does but when the features pose a risk to the securtity of the system, Sony are quite in their rights to remove it. It's one of those things. Isn't anyone else concerned that Sony have the right to take away any features they like if they pose a security risk? Surely there must be some features they have to leave in place, like Blu-ray film playback. This to me though sounds like they could take away Blu-ray film playback if they decided it was a security risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookie Posted April 7, 2010 Share Posted April 7, 2010 Isn't anyone else concerned that Sony have the right to take away any features they like if they pose a security risk? Surely there must be some features they have to leave in place, like Blu-ray film playback. This to me though sounds like they could take away Blu-ray film playback if they decided it was a security risk. I'd imagine more than 1 person uses the blu ray playback though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Payne_UK Posted April 7, 2010 Share Posted April 7, 2010 Isn't anyone else concerned that Sony have the right to take away any features they like if they pose a security risk? Surely there must be some features they have to leave in place, like Blu-ray film playback. This to me though sounds like they could take away Blu-ray film playback if they decided it was a security risk. Not quite the same really. Blu Ray playback is essential for the console to function. Remove it for film playback, you have to remove it for any Blu Ray media playback and seeing as the PS3 games come on Blu Ray discs, that isn't happening any time soon .... or ever. If it wasn't needed for the day to day running of what the PS3 is all about and they found a securtiy flaw they couldn't patch/fix, then yeah they would remove it. Considering the majority of the userbase use Blu Ray they would dedicate a team to fix it. I think you get my point :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_c_b Posted April 7, 2010 Share Posted April 7, 2010 Isn't anyone else concerned that Sony have the right to take away any features they like if they pose a security risk? Surely there must be some features they have to leave in place, like Blu-ray film playback. This to me though sounds like they could take away Blu-ray film playback if they decided it was a security risk. I think there are some features they would have to fix/patch no matter how extreme the risk, where Linux support is niche at best. And I think you'll find this kind of EULA with any software driven consumer electronics, generally it seems the industry likes to keep customers so I'm not sure how much concern we should muster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Patriot Posted April 7, 2010 Share Posted April 7, 2010 Blu Ray playback is essential for the console to function. Remove it for film playback, you have to remove it for any Blu Ray media playback and seeing as the PS3 games come on Blu Ray discs, that isn't happening any time soon Not quite true. The ability to read Blu-Ray media is not the same as the ability to play back movies on Blu-Ray. Just as the ability to read DVD media does not automatically mean a console can play DVD movies (case in point, the Wii). Another example of this is OS X. You can hook up a Blu-Ray drive to a Mac and read data stored on the disc, but you can't play back a Blu-Ray movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
____ Posted April 7, 2010 Share Posted April 7, 2010 That didn't take long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soniqstylz Posted April 7, 2010 Share Posted April 7, 2010 Not quite true. The ability to read Blu-Ray media is not the same as the ability to play back movies on Blu-Ray. Just as the ability to read DVD media does not automatically mean a console can play DVD movies (case in point, the Wii). Another example of this is OS X. You can hook up a Blu-Ray drive to a Mac and read data stored on the disc, but you can't play back a Blu-Ray movie. The Wii disc is a proprietary format, strictly for Wii gameplay, same as they did for the Gamecube. If Sony would decide to come up with an all-new kind of Blu-ray disc that only supported gaming, leaving movies in the dust, your comparison would hold water. But considering that would **** the investment Sony made in Blu-ray as a film format as well as a storage media, not to mention Sony's film division (Columbia and MGM included), and since Sony has no real investment in Linux, it's an awful comparison. Sort of like the car one you made earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedon Posted April 8, 2010 Share Posted April 8, 2010 I still disagree. This was a bad and wrong move on sony's part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbandonedTrolley Posted April 8, 2010 Share Posted April 8, 2010 I still disagree. This was a bad and wrong move on sony's part. +1 It just seems a total kneejerk reaction to what was shown. Rather than sit and think about how they could somehow solve the issue without upsetting the customers they went the quick and easy route of removing the Other OS function totally. Certainly makes you realise that the big companies can pretty much do what they like and when looking at what you agree to, are well within their rights to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted April 8, 2010 Veteran Share Posted April 8, 2010 From their perspective it probably costs a lot less devoting time to find a fix versus removing the feature. Shoddy business practice, but you can't really expect anything else.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Payne_UK Posted April 8, 2010 Share Posted April 8, 2010 From their perspective it probably costs a lot less devoting time to find a fix versus removing the feature. Shoddy business practice, but you can't really expect anything else.. Seems all businesses out there are practising this way nowadays. Really is shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soniqstylz Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Quit bitching and get money back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookie Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Quit bitching and get money back edit: "I still keep my 60GB. This is a price adjustment to reflect the fact that it no longer operates as advertised." Quick if you've got a fat get a partial refund and buy a new game on Sony! \o/ Just a quick hint.You don't have to update to fw 3.21 to use the PSN. Just enter the following DNS -- 67.202.81.137 -- into your PS3 under Network Settings. The server fakes the authentication and hands the connection back to your PS3 shortly thereafter. No proxy needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red. Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 I bought mine from Game so i doubt they'd give any sort of refund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbandonedTrolley Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Quit bitching and get money back Certainly be interesting to see how this one pans out. If it's looking likely that the retailers will be offering cash back in some instances then I shall be off to Gamestation :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedon Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Are we only allowed to praise companies on forums? I thought this was a place to discuss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Payne_UK Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 edit: "I still keep my 60GB. This is a price adjustment to reflect the fact that it no longer operates as advertised." Quick if you've got a fat get a partial refund and buy a new game on Sony! \o/ That DNS workaround can, and will get you banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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