+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted April 9, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted April 9, 2010 Not much of a deal for me as I own a Slim, lower power usage, quieter console, design > Linux & fat PS3. The amount of nonsense about Linux posted in here is a laugh though. I tried YDL back in the day when I owned a 60GB BC PS3. It is a pathetic media server due to restricted GPU access, the PS3 OS beats it hands down. For everything else you only have 256mb of ram, so your Granparents 5 year old PC can run Linux better. As for all the worries about Sony removing BD playback and everything else, it's simple, I would've thought people on a tech board could figure this one out. The PS3 OS can be patched and forced update on the user end by Sony pretty much instantly when an exploit is discovered. Flaws/holes in Linux distros have to be patched by the creators, so the only thing Sony can do is submit for a patch, and even then end users can just run old versions of the distro, newer builds can't be forced as the essence of OtherOS is an open platform. Yellow Dog, the Linux distro "for" the PS3 was last updated about 8-9 months ago. That DNS workaround can, and will get you banned. No proof of that yet, but it does leave you open to exploitation depending on what could happen to whoever runs that DNS. Plus it'll probably slow down your browsing and day to day internet experience. If you care about staying on 3.15 so bad I'd suggest just not using your PS3 online full stop, not using a private DNS that you have no idea about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Are we only allowed to praise companies on forums? I thought this was a place to discuss? Negative opinions aren't welcome around here as a lot of members are very emotionally unstable, so it's just praise, praise and more praise! :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biohead Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Theres also a tool (LG5 tool) you can run on your home computer which acts as a proxy server. I used that to get the last PS1 games I wanted from the store as I'm one who uses my PS3 for linux. Not often, but enough to warrant the stay to 3.15. Best thing is I got my fatty for ?50 from the Neobay! Wonder if I could get that partial refund :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Payne_UK Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 No proof of that yet, but it does leave you open to exploitation depending on what could happen to whoever runs that DNS. Plus it'll probably slow down your browsing and day to day internet experience. If you care about staying on 3.15 so bad I'd suggest just not using your PS3 online full stop, not using a private DNS that you have no idea about. Sony are banning people that attach to the PSN with anything other than the latest firmware. The community leader over at SCEE told people this the other week when this workaround was first posted. Do it at your own risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Patriot Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 The PS3 OS can be patched and forced update on the user end by Sony pretty much instantly when an exploit is discovered. Flaws/holes in Linux distros have to be patched by the creators, so the only thing Sony can do is submit for a patch, and even then end users can just run old versions of the distro, newer builds can't be forced as the essence of OtherOS is an open platform. It's been said already when someone else made the same uninformed comment you just made, so I'll repeat it now: the exploit/flaw IS NOT IN LINUX ITSELF it is in the PS3 hypervisor (which is something that Sony CAN patch). It just happens that the easiest way to access the flaw is through Linux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted April 9, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted April 9, 2010 It's been said already when someone else made the same uninformed comment you just made, so I'll repeat it now: the exploit/flaw IS NOT IN LINUX ITSELF it is in the PS3 hypervisor (which is something that Sony CAN patch). It just happens that the easiest way to access the flaw is through Linux. You need to go read GeoHots blog, the exploit is run through Linux and allows you to dump the hypervisor, it's not an exploit in it. Once it was dumped he still had to work on decrypting the important parts in it, which essentially could lead to unsigned code. He's also already said for full GPU access someone essentially has to write a driver (for everyone thinking this will lead to full GPU access in Linux). Read what he said himself As far as the exploit goes, I'm not revealing it yet. The theory isn't really patchable, but they can make implementations much harder. Also, for obvious reasons I can't post dumps. I'm hoping to find the decryption keys and post them, but they may be embedded in hardware. Hopefully keys are setup like the iPhone's KBAG. So yeah, if you believe the hacker himself which most of you are putting all your faith in, he even said himself good luck patching Sony. As I've already said Sony only have full privileges over their own OS, OtherOS essentially allows "open source" to enter the frame which means they can't enforce control over what people do with it without fully removing it. They must of known all along though if the PS3 was to crumble in security it would be through OtherOS and Linux. Maybe a bad decision including it all along, everyones dreams of homebrew were shattered with limited GPU access crippling most usages for Linux. At least the clusters won't ever use GameOS. Sony are banning people that attach to the PSN with anything other than the latest firmware. The community leader over at SCEE told people this the other week when this workaround was first posted. Do it at your own risk. Quite possibly true then, to access PSN you do agree to a TOC to be running an unmodified console at all times - Same applies to Live, that's why MS ban 360s. I'm sure spoofing FW will be included as a breach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyDX Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 I haven't heard of any DNS bans yet... Technically the DNS doesn't modifies the console one bit or spoofs anything, it only tells your PS3 "No updates are available" the firmware is still 100% genuine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Payne_UK Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 I haven't heard of any DNS bans yet... Technically the DNS doesn't modifies the console one bit or spoofs anything, it only tells your PS3 "No updates are available" the firmware is still 100% genuine. You are breaking the T&C's of the PSN. End of. This can and will lead to a ban. Sony are aware of the workaround. If you use it, do it at your own risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted April 9, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted April 9, 2010 I haven't heard of any DNS bans yet... Technically the DNS doesn't modifies the console one bit or spoofs anything, it only tells your PS3 "No updates are available" the firmware is still 100% genuine. 3.15 isn't accepted as a FW to connect and use PSN, essentially it's a "security risk" for Sony to have gamers not functioning online on the same FW globally. Whether it's accessing content or playing MP games. The TOC of PSN most likely state you must be running the current/accepted FW to access it's internet enabled functionality at all times. Only sometimes do Sony ship optional firmware that allows gamers to have different firmware versions online, 3.21 is not optional. I think the issue is probably being able to determine who is running 3.21 and who is spoofing, so they would ban if they knew, but probably don't for now... Banning consoles that are actually updated would be a minefield of trouble :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyDX Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Oh well, I will just sell the ton of old games I have lying around, try to get 80? for my damaged DS Lite and get a Slim and keep my Fat for modding purposes :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted April 9, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted April 9, 2010 Oh well, I will just sell the ton of old games I have lying around, try to get 80? for my damaged DS Lite and get a Slim and keep my Fat for modding purposes :rofl: I had a peak downstairs and it looks like my parents fat PS3 is still on 3.15. Sheest parents, can't believe they're holding off for potential modding :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyDX Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 I had a peak downstairs and it looks like my parents fat PS3 is still on 3.15. Sheest parents, can't believe they're holding off for potential modding :rofl: :rofl: Well I would like a custom XMB, plus if anybody manages to enable PS2 emulation/whatever I can FINALLY sell my PS2 which I still use quite often^^ Also, if anyone manages to unlock the full hardware for Linux I would have a spare backup PC, if my Main PCs fail, they tend to do it on Saturday afternoon, no joke... :pinch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedon Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Negative opinions aren't welcome around here as a lot of members are very emotionally unstable, so it's just praise, praise and more praise! :cool: Roger that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted April 9, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted April 9, 2010 We are sorry if users of Linux or other operating systems are disappointed by our decision to issue a firmware upgrade which when installed disables this operating system feature. We have made the decision to protect the integrity of the console and whilst mindful of the impact on Linux or other operating system users we nevertheless felt it would be in the best interests of the majority of users to pursue this course of action.As you will be aware we have upgraded and enhanced functionality and features of the console by numerous firmware upgrades over time and this is a very rare instance where a feature will be disabled. Further enhancements are in the pipeline. Users do have the choice whether to install the firmware upgrade and this is clearly explained to them at the time the firmware upgrade is made available for installation. Furthermore our terms and conditions clearly state that we have the right to revise the PS3's settings and features in order to prevent access to unauthorised or pirated content. Source: http://www.thinq.co....r-os-take-down/ Sony seem to be confident in their TOC. Maybe GeoHot shouldn't of made that exploit public... Stupid move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedon Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 I hope you are not a supporter of this feature removal Audio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted April 9, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted April 9, 2010 I hope you are not a supporter of this feature removal Audio. Linux is a piece of **** on the PS3 I couldn't care less. Not to mention I own a Slim. I would however like one console to remain piracy free, even if just to annoy the entitlement generation! :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted April 9, 2010 Veteran Share Posted April 9, 2010 Why was it a stupid move to release his exploit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted April 9, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted April 9, 2010 Why was it a stupid move to release his exploit? Incomplete and minute it's made public everyone has access to it meaning Sony can wave about that TOC saying the general public can all "hack" the PS3, Linux was removed to prevent this happening and keep their hardware safe. Once the exploit is out there they can also analyse it. Any non arrogant non douche bag person would've kept their trap shut until they had made significant progress, or stayed within the back channels for help until something substantial could've been released BEFORE Sony took measurements to stop it. Talented kid, but really shows his immaturity at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted April 9, 2010 Veteran Share Posted April 9, 2010 He released the exploit because it was a minor project to him. He released the exploit & notes so someone else could do something with it. Besides, if he hadn't released it, Sony wouldn't have "patched" it either. It's the same with every hack. The first 360 & PSP(GO) hacks were "hello worlds". Long before piracy was on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted April 9, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted April 9, 2010 He released the exploit because it was a minor project to him. He released the exploit & notes so someone else could do something with it. Besides, if he hadn't released it, Sony wouldn't have "patched" it either. It's the same with every hack. The first 360 & PSP(GO) hacks were "hello worlds". Long before piracy was on the table. Minor project? lol. I dunno what is worse, you believing that, or GeoHot's arrogance. Besides, if he hadn't released it, Sony wouldn't have "patched" it either. That's precisely the point, why on earth do you publicly show your cards before the game has even started? That's like taking your willy out at the restaurant with your girlfriend instead of waiting till you get home. Stupid move. Unless you're dating a hooker. He should just of shared it with those in the know if it was really a minor project, but it's not, GeoHot wants all the spotlights all the time, he'd never hand off his work, he's been trying to defeat the PS3 for quite a while. This move from Sony just catapults him into the limelight, it's probably what he wanted all along even saying he thought his theory was unpatchable by Sony before he even released it :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikh Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 I hope you are not a supporter of this feature removal Audio. it's been stated in this thread unless it's postive comments, its all praise praise and more praise. As far as audio goes. He'll support Sony till the day he dies. Just look at it, it's obvious. Before you go and say something audio, it's the simple fact they removed a advertised feature and act like it's nothing. Slim or not I believe it's bull**** they are just willing to remove feature(s) and not care about it. I hope people realize how ****ing stupid of a company Sony is. Also homebrewing on a wii is godsend since you can finally play DVDs. The people that kneo NOTHING about flashing or computers are ready to copy something to a sd card so they can play movies on there "revolutionary" system. As far as xbox goes you get banned pretty quick for a modded console. I know someone in my city who picks up broken 360s all the time. He will fix them and mod them with the latest firmware(I don't keep up with the modding scene for any system, so sorry for the rough explanation) to see how long they last on live before getting banned. Not only gold but silver too. He's had a few silver accouts banned for just sitting there. Mind you he only puts pirated games in the system on his offline account. But somehow they can tell. Point being I've heard of people playing online with a modded box + pirarted game but takes up to a week when there ass gets banned. Totally fine with that. I'm not condoning homebrewing and what not. It's handy for features on wii/psp/ds(flashcarts) but other then no. What I do condone is geohot showing Sony that there a bunch of dumbasses for removing a feature and thinking no one will notice or care. Especially when the update was targeted at one group(fattys). I just wish Sony found a better way of doing this then out right removing it and not caring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted April 9, 2010 Veteran Share Posted April 9, 2010 Minor project? lol. I dunno what is worse, you believing that, or GeoHot's arrogance. That's precisely the point, why on earth do you publicly show your cards before the game has even started? That's like taking your willy out at the restaurant with your girlfriend instead of waiting till you get home. Stupid move. Unless you're dating a hooker. He should just of shared it with those in the know if it was really a minor project, but it's not, GeoHot wants all the spotlights all the time, he'd never hand off his work, he's been trying to defeat the PS3 for quite a while. This move from Sony just catapults him into the limelight, it's probably what he wanted all along even saying he thought his theory was unpatchable by Sony before he even released it :laugh: Well none of us truly know how long he has been working on it because none of us know him. But what he has told us via his blog is he only received the PS3 recently & then he found an exploit. I don't see any reason to disbelieve him so I'll go along with that story, it doesn't really have any change on the outcome. What's evident is he wasn't even working on it until Sony responded and that was last week. Now we have cfw in the works. Somethings you just can't patch, just like with the 360. It'd take a completely new method of disc authentication to remove the piracy. It's not being arrogant saying that Sony can't patch it. It's just the cold truths of the matter. That's why every drive has been flashed to date on the 360. Microsoft just have to find ways of making it harder. They did the exact same with the original Xbox. The same goes for Sony & their PS2/PSP which introduced different mobos'. The only inconvenience was how many wires you had to solder in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted April 9, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted April 9, 2010 Well none of us truly know how long he has been working on it because none of us know him. But what he has told us via his blog is he only received the PS3 recently & then he found an exploit. I don't see any reason to disbelieve him so I'll go along with that story, it doesn't really have any change on the outcome. What's evident is he wasn't even working on it until Sony responded and that was last week. Now we have cfw in the works. Somethings you just can't patch, just like with the 360. It'd take a completely new method of disc authentication to remove the piracy. It's not being arrogant saying that Sony can't patch it. It's just the cold truths of the matter. That's why every drive has been flashed to date on the 360. Microsoft just have to find ways of making it harder. They did the exact same with the original Xbox. The same goes for Sony & their PS2/PSP which introduced different mobos'. The only inconvenience was how many wires you had to solder in the end. Ah well we'll agree to disagree, I believe this has been GeoHots main project and his time spender since the iPhone and he had all intentions of working on it all the way through - Why wouldn't someone with skills, absolutely no one has hacked the PS3 yet. Think of the awesome fame... oh wait, that's what he's getting now, blog flooded with people who all seemingly care so much about Linux :rofl: Probably more replies on his blog than home owners who even frequently use Linux on their PS3. It's like saying someone running the 100m in first place is going to stop at 80m and just say nah it was a minor race for me, no more lads. :rofl: Even if I were to share the same mindset with you, GeoHot should of passed the exploit onto the PSP CFW guys or someone else, not the general public, so still a stupid move. Anything public when incomplete gives the company it's aimed at a chance to retaliate to counter, which is what Sony have done. Millions of people who have no idea about GeoHot but who would've installed something to pirate will now be on 3.21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted April 9, 2010 Veteran Share Posted April 9, 2010 Well you are assuming they are all in contact with each other & best of buds :p He's probably never spoke to them before. Even when it comes to the iPhone he has little to do with the Dev Team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted April 9, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted April 9, 2010 Well you are assuming they are all in contact with each other & best of buds :p He's probably never spoke to them before. Even when it comes to the iPhone he has little to do with the Dev Team. All the hackers should be best of buds! Then we'd really get places :p But well sadly most of them are all egotistic people who spend more time fighting over who done what first, or who deserves credit than working at times. Clearly I wouldn't be like them, but then again I dropped out of a computing course as coding is evil :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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