Best E3 Conference?


  

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  1. 1. Which was the best 1st party conference for you?



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Because little effort was put into them. And their asking $60 for it and calling it a finished product. What was the cost of the art direction on that type game? Character creation and setting? The plot direction? The brainstorming behind the gameplay?

If you removed motion control from some of the games at E3 this year, how does it fair? Is it nothing more than a glorified Flash game you can find free on the internet? Are they glorified tech demos; unfinished product?

I don’t expect “Call Of Duty, Halo or Fallout” (personally I’m not a fan of shooters). What about Viva Piñata, Katamari, Prototype, Darksiders? You might not like some or all of them, but I think we can agree, there was some effort and investment put into those products. Can you say the same of Kinectimals and Kinect Sports? Or EyePet and Sports Championships? Or Wii Party and EA Sports Active 2.0?

Now I haven’t had time with these games so I can’t answer that. But, to me, they don’t look like games. They look like parts of video games. There are certainly ways to grow full games around these things. Maybe for something like Kinectimals or EyePet you have multiple pets, in an open world, and they interact with one another and things seen in the camera. That’s just one idea (admittably, probably not a good one), but I can’t believe that someone at Sony or Microsoft couldn’t have taken the time to make these game full featured.

Asking if they're "glorified Flash game" is misleading, as almost anything today could be considered a "glorified Flash game." Portal was done in flash -- does that make it any less of a game? There are first-person shooters in Flash that offer arguably as much depth as many of the FPS games released today. Heck, N+, one of the best XBLA games, started out as a Flash game. So to say they're just glorified Flash games is being a bit deceptive, as many of today's games with or without motion control could be considered glorified Flash games.

Now, if Kinectimals is solely about petting a tiger and is limited to what we were shown, I have no doubt in my mind it will be an absolute bomb. If something is that simplistic and offers that little value to the consumer -- any consumer, casual or hardcore -- people won't buy it, I guarantee it. I have more faith in the marketplace than that. You have to remember, though, that Microsoft and Sony aren't going to show the entire game off. It's not realistic in the amount of time given. Heck, to many people who prefer more casual games, they probably looked at the Halo: Reach teaser and thought, "that's it? You just shoot people?" So they're just going to show some of the things they can do with a game, which can be impressive. And it was pretty impressive to see the tiger's responses to the girl.

Kinectimals is about the only game I'm worried about from a gameplay standpoint (in terms of how much is offered) from the motion control games shown. All the rest were essentially party games -- like Guitar Hero (and similar games), Mario Party, etc.

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Sony ? WTF any one that thinks sony waz best of E3 a <snipped> (sry to all that think this) why? the year they annouce a Preimume Subscription fee at $49.99

well sony just lost me as a customer.

Xbox.? Sry once again a joke. All console gamer know how to do, is use there thumbs.... wanabee gamers call xbox gaming hardcore... ya nooo...

Nintendo.. ok the 3DS waz a swiff of fresh air. Cross Figures and hope there will be a M3+ card for it... atlest it make it worth owning.

The best show of E3 waz not any confrence but the side shows from develipores...

Call of duty Black Ops (PC)

Portal 2 (PC)

F.3.A.R (PC)

Need For Speed Hot Pursuit (PC)

Fable 3 (PC)

Need For Speed World Online (PC)

StarCraft 2 (PC)

Test Drive Unlimited 2 (PC)

GuildWars 2 (PC)

Dead Space 2 (PC)

Zeldia (WII)

And you know what pc Gamers never had once had to pay for a Patch. Untill Xbox users started to cry aobut .. well we have to pay for the maps for COD and pc user get them free! and before ya know it steam DLC is now being to be Pay for DLC witch is the bigest garbage I ever heard of. Lucky for pc gamers if u nwo were to look your still able to get your Patchs/ DLC free...

all the good showing at E3 this year were titles, titles built for PC gaming... thats were the hardcore gamers live.. <snipped>

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Welcome to Neowin, i think.wacko.gif

I acutally been on the site for a long time jsut never cared to post but this hole thing with console gaming getting way out of touch... I had to post my option as I been gaming longer then most people I know...

yes I remmember the days of the atari, colecovision, Dos 1.0 windows 1.0

its insulting to see console gaming trying to mimick pc gaming...

any one that plays fps better be thanking the oringal Wolfinstine 3D withch started it all

Chuck Yeager's Air Combat / falcon 1.0 for the flight sim moment.

Test Drive 1,2,3 (old Dos verison) for a Driving exprince moment.

Syd Mead's Maelstrom For the RTS Movement.

Eye of the Beholder / Wizeriedy for the RPG movement.

any one that to young wont understand the roots of gaming.

and I cry when I hear some one buying a Xbox or a PS3.. its like another old time gamer has died...

Nintendo is a bit Diffrent on the subject. Mario started the platform moment. Tetris/DR Mario the Puzzle movment, The orginal Zelda 1 and 2 for the Adventure movement. The orignial Final fantasy 1, 2,3, for the Top down RPG movement.

Sega would also bealong here expect it died when the Dreamcast flamed out. I cryed that day too..

so nintendo really truly has a spot in gaming history. Sony and Microsoft sohudl have never joined the Console movent so late in game.

FYI

yes I do still own a Old dos box setup.

80386, 4mb Ram, 2MB VGA, 80MB HDD, dos 5.0 win 3.1

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they sold xenon/zephyr's with there 60%+ failure rate. im not going as far as to say kinect doesnt work at all but its supposed to lauch in november and there must be problems with it if they have to use those terrible lag fest prerecorded demos

I like how peopel keep inventing higher and higher failure rates, doubled up form the actual 30% by now, nice.

Using pre-recorded demos have nothign to do with the product not working. it's simply to do with the rather bad lighting on a stage designed to look cool rather than play on, and more importantly because everythgin has to be on schedule. And with pre recorded they can just hit a button and it starts where they want it to, no need to have 10 different Xboxes all paused at different points in various games, with multiple controllers hooked up to them. Nopt to mention the fact that you'd need one Kinect for each of these paused consoles as well.

Are yous tarting to see the issues with having a carefully planned presentation like this without pre-recorded now ?

The difference is that because of what kinect is, you can see they are pre-recorded on MS conference. Sony and Nintendo used just as much pre recorded as well.

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Sony and Nintendo used just as much pre recorded as well.

See you say that but GB/GAF-attendees says Move was live & so was most of Nintys.

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See you say that but GB/GAF-attendees says Move was live & so was most of Nintys.

How would they know. where they on stage using the controllers ? no.

There where real time elements. in all presentations yes, like MS, I'm fairly sure that Epics segments was real time.

And I think at least some of the Kinect stuff was real, but probably only two, as they only had two Kinect sets on stage, one on the left and one on the right. and again due to the nature of things. that means they could only have on paused game each without requiring a lot of stuff that can and probably will go wrong in cross connections and switches and such.

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Of course Sony's and Nintendo's was all real, and Microsofts was all fake. Did you know they even faked Peter Moore screwing up in Rock Band in that E3? It was all pre-recorded, and intentional.

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And you know what pc Gamers never had once had to pay for a Patch. Untill Xbox users started to cry aobut .. well we have to pay for the maps for COD and pc user get them free! and before ya know it steam DLC is now being to be Pay for DLC witch is the bigest garbage I ever heard of. Lucky for pc gamers if u nwo were to look your still able to get your Patchs/ DLC free...

:waaaa put it on the Xbox or ps3.. I hear "waaa Im a loser child that dosn;'t know how to use a pc" my respones... go back to building with lego blocks were u belong and leave the gaming to the real muture audiance.

So very wrong

I'm a PC gamer at heart but I quit that rat race a long time ago. PC gaming has become stale, theres very little innovation and developers have switched to the cash rich console market for that very reason.

More money in consoles

No constant hardware upgrades

less frequent patching, there are more than a few PC games I couldn't play on release because it didn't like a bit of hardware.

Sitting on a couch or bed and sitting on an RPG is superior to at a desk for countless hours

FYI, patches and DLC cost money to develop, if a game sells moderately why should a developer/publisher invest in a format that they see less comeback for the development costs as well as need to spend thousands for a simple patch for the 5 people that suffer one issue?

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How would they know. where they on stage using the controllers ? no.

They can see if their arm waving doesn't sync up to that on the screen. Most of the content is playable too. On top of all that did I mention they are there?

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They can see if their arm waving doesn't sync up to that on the screen. Most of the content is playable too. On top of all that did I mention they are there?

and... MS' stuff was playable too, reporters where playign with all of them after the conference. hello mr strawman.

And again.

It's a lot easier to set up multiple PS3's or Wii's when they use controllers. since they just grab the controller belonging to the console the game they're demoing is paused on.

For MS. they can't really do that, they would either need one kinectic for every console/demo or They'd need a complex electronic switch that allowed the one kinectic to switch between the console while still sending dummy idle signals to the other demo boxes that are paused to avoid them quitting.

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and... MS' stuff was playable too, reporters where playign with all of them after the conference. hello mr strawman.

For MS. they can't really do that, they would either need one kinectic for every console/demo or They'd need a complex electronic switch that allowed the one kinectic to switch between the console while still sending dummy idle signals to the other demo boxes that are paused to avoid them quitting.

I never said it wasn't? :laugh:

Put up a partition? So one TV can't see the other? Piece of **** to fix. :)

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im not going as far as to say kinect doesnt work at all but its supposed to lauch in november and there must be problems with it if they have to use those terrible lag fest prerecorded demos

It was a crappy way to do it but you have to keep in mind that Kinect isn't designed for the conditions it was being demonstrated in...it's designed for living rooms. Perhaps it would have worked just fine but they probably didn't want to risk it with the possibility of lighting or room setups causing them issues. I mean look back and I can think of a number of stuff ups in the past couple of years at press shows such as echoeing causing Vistas voice recognition demos to fail or Steve Jobs the other day having issues with the iPhones wireless supposedly due to the network getting congested. I think around Jan either MS or Apple lost power for a bit at one of their keynotes.

People however have used it and said Kinect works already so one demo isn't going to write that off. Still, it's a bad way to go about it and they should have just explained why they werent doing a live demo and left the actors off stage completly...tell the media they can do it live over the next three days at E3 at their booth. That way people would have less to jump up and down about.

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I never said it wasn't? :laugh:

Put up a partition? So one TV can't see the other? Piece of **** to fix. :)

How would that solve anything of the problem I described ?

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I thought they were all around the same, i know people say Ubisoft's was horrible but i enjoyed it honestly (i thought the host was pretty funny too).

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Yes, this Kinect has been tried out by a lot of Press people, and even Celebrities... pretty sure it WORKS really well.

You sold me right there.

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I thought they were all around the same, i know people say Ubisoft's was horrible but i enjoyed it honestly (i thought the host was pretty funny too).

Joe McHale wasn't that funny this year. He seemed less prepared and couldn't properly read the teleprompter a lot of the time.

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Sony and Nintendo used just as much pre recorded as well.

Yeah, Miyamoto's Zelda demo sure looked pre-recorded to me :D

Nintendo actually let everyone see the 3D of the 3DS with their own eyes, and play the new Zelda. Did anyone get to play Move and Kinect or whatever it's called?

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Did anyone get to play Move and Kinect or whatever it's called?

Yes. Everything has been demoed in a very controlled environment so to speak.

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So very wrong

I'm a PC gamer at heart but I quit that rat race a long time ago. PC gaming has become stale, theres very little innovation and developers have switched to the cash rich console market for that very reason.

More money in consoles

No constant hardware upgrades

less frequent patching, there are more than a few PC games I couldn't play on release because it didn't like a bit of hardware.

Sitting on a couch or bed and sitting on an RPG is superior to at a desk for countless hours

FYI, patches and DLC cost money to develop, if a game sells moderately why should a developer/publisher invest in a format that they see less comeback for the development costs as well as need to spend thousands for a simple patch for the 5 people that suffer one issue?

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That is ture gaming^^^^^

This is not

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as one dishes up power and talent the other 2 nether has power nor talent from end user.

mined ya if one has a Windows Home Server, the ps3 is quite well at steaming video to your home theater but thats about it.

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In other words: No.

I clearly said yes. Hell there are first impressions up on almost every website by now. Do you have some bias against Sony and MS?

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That is ture gaming^^^^^

This is not

as one dishes up power and talent the other 2 nether has power nor talent from end user.

mined ya if one has a Windows Home Server, the ps3 is quite well at steaming video to your home theater but thats about it.

Your computer is a mess.

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