Ironman273 Posted July 2, 2010 Author Share Posted July 2, 2010 While that article is harsh, I completely agree with it. Sony is lagging behind in all aspects. Hell even in TV's and such, they haven't done anything special lately, and is letting LG and even Vizio catch up them as far as technology on TV's go. Actually, Sony lost the TV battle way back when with CRTs. Sony hung on to its superior Trinitron technology thinking flat screens were not going to do much. When CRTs dies, they were too far behind to catch up so they rebranded Samsung TVs. Now they just entered into a joint venture with Sharp to have Sharp build them TVs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted July 2, 2010 Veteran Share Posted July 2, 2010 Actually, Sony lost the TV battle way back when with CRTs. Sony hung on to its superior Trinitron technology thinking flat screens were not going to do much. When CRTs dies, they were too far behind to catch up so they rebranded Samsung TVs. Now they just entered into a joint venture with Sharp to have Sharp build them TVs. Yup, the "bravia engine" is lol-worthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkburn Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 That's partly due to the cheap price of the Wii. And? It's also cheaper to make. Let me ask you though, how many people that bought a Wii also own a PS3 or an XBox 360? I know several people that own only a PS3 or only an XBox 360 but I know of no one that owns only a Wii. The Wii is a children's gaming system with a very small selection of good or "must-have" games. I personally own a PS3 and a Wii. My wife wanted the Wii. I can count the number of times on my two hands that the Wii has been played and we got it last November. I agree with you though. Nintendo is winning the numbers game with the Wii. However, I never really saw the Wii as a competitor to the XBox 360 or the PS3. The XBox 360 and PS3 are more of a hardcore gamer's system while the Wii is more of a child's system with its very gimmicky games. Not only are the PS3s and XBox 360s hardcore gaming systems, they're multimedia systems and let's face it, the Wii can't even play DVDs. Excuse me, but I've played my Wii more than the Xbox 360, and it's not "a children's gaming system". It's a family entertainment system. My PC plays most of the Xbox 360/PS3 type games. The Wii has several aspects that set it apart. The attach rates for the Wii are pretty good. Same for the Xbox, same for the PS3 at this point in time. I guess my main point is that I don't think the Nintendo Wii is "beating" the XBox 360 or the PS3 because I don't think the Wii is even in the same category to even be competing with those two consoles. It's a different type of console to be sure ... but I really don't think most people care. They're still consoles, and perform much the same function: having electronic fun on your TV. It's a sad get out clause to say "oh but it's different". No, it just shows Nintendo did a better job of catering to the masses. To pull out a specific line: "Nintendo is winning the numbers game with the Wii." Yup. And that's what companies are about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Lyons10 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Good article. I think personally that Sony kind of blew this entire generation. I'm curious to see what they do with the next generation, but they seem to have gotten themselves into the mindset that they have to do what everyone else is doing and try to do it better (PlayStation Home for example, Playstation Move)... But these are not their strong suits, and they just aren't delivering anything that's really better or different. They're really off their game and relied too heavily on Blu-ray. Would I love a Blu-ray player in my console? Yes. But that isn't as big a selling point as I think Sony thought it would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeretikSaint Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 And? It's also cheaper to make. ...and nothing. I was simply illustrating a point that in times of economic recession, it is a possibility that the decision to buy a Wii over another console maybe based solely on the cheaper price tag. It's not an excuse or anything of the sort, it's just a point I made. Nothing more. I know my sister and her daughter really wanted a PS3 for a while but ended up settling on the Wii due to their financial situation. I'm not implying that this possibility takes anything away from the Wii itself nor am I claiming a padded sale list. I was just simply stating that it is a possibility. Excuse me, but I've played my Wii more than the Xbox 360, and it's not "a children's gaming system". It's a family entertainment system. My PC plays most of the Xbox 360/PS3 type games. The Wii has several aspects that set it apart. I'm happy for you that you've decided to use your Wii instead of your XBox gaming console. However, I still feel the Wii to be very childish with very child-like games. The games are often immature in the sense of overall development of the game. The graphics are often laughable in relation to other next generation consoles. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the Wii's graphics as I feel they are satisfactory for the audience it caters to and the games it holds within its library. Nevertheless, the graphics do not compare to next generation consoles. The attach rates for the Wii are pretty good. Same for the Xbox, same for the PS3 at this point in time.It's a different type of console to be sure ... but I really don't think most people care. They're still consoles, and perform much the same function: having electronic fun on your TV. It's a sad get out clause to say "oh but it's different". No, it just shows Nintendo did a better job of catering to the masses. Look, my opinion is not a fanboy-based rant about how I feel "my" console is better or another console is inferior. I genuinely feel that the Wii is (or at least should be) placed within a separate category in terms of competing with the Xbox 360 and the PS3. The XBox 360 as well as the PS3 are "next generation" consoles that cater to a different audience than that of the Wii. Let me show what I mean by using some examples: The Xbox 360 and the PS3 both have HD capabilities with the insertion of an HDMI video output. The Wii does not have HD capabilities. The Xbox 360 and the PS3 both have abilities to play movies (XBox can play DVDs while the PS3 can upconvert DVDs and play Blu-ray disks). The Wii cannot natively play any physical movie media. The Xbox 360 and the PS3 both have the capabilities of streaming pictures, music, and video through the use of a PC media server. The Wii does not have this capability.[*}The PS3 has an internet browser with Flash 9 (or 10, not exactly sure). The Wii only has limited internet capabilities. The Xbox 360 and the PS3 both have an online gaming infrastructure that gives users the ability to play against each other, keep a friend's list, send messages, communicate online via text and voice, as well as other online functions such as Playstation Home which allows PS3 owners to gather and socialize in a virtual environment. The Wii has only a few select games that play online, no online community infrastructure, friending someone requires a 16-digit alpha-numeric code and no voice communication exists. The Xbox 360 and the PS3 both have a library that include games that are both state-of-the-art and have obtained mature ratings. The Wii games only posses games which utilize the Wii controller's motions and buttons while graphics are severely restricted by the Wii hardware's lack of modern graphics capabilities. The Wii doesn't have any mature games (to my knowledge). This isn't necessarily a bad quality for the console. However, it does show that the other two consoles cater to a more mature audience. To pull out a specific line: "Nintendo is winning the numbers game with the Wii." Yup. And that's what companies are about. I agree as it is a fact. Nintendo is winning the numbers game. Nevertheless, I still take the opinion that the Wii caters to a completely different audience than that of the Xbox 360 and that of the PS3. It's inevitable that a good portion the "next generation" console audience will end up buying a Wii as the "next generation" console audience is a gaming audience. Despite that fact, the Wii audience will not necessarily do the same (buy a "next generation" console) because the pure Wii audience isn't necessarily a gaming audience. I do agree with you on the fact that the Wii is a family entertainment console. Its library includes games that can play offline multiplayer modes. It's a console that wants family and friends to be in the same room; it wants people to be up and out of their seat, laughing, having fun, socializing with others in the room. The Xbox 360 and PS3 are consoles with games that are one-player by majority. The multiplayer modes are modes that require an internet connection and the other players show up in the form of other people accessing the internet. These games usually require focus and coordination, precision and attention. Wii games are usually (in my experience) laid back with more room for error. Wii games can usually be picked up and learned in seconds to minutes while "next generation" console games can take hours and even days to learn and master. Let me make myself clear here. I'm not trying to bash the Wii here. I think the Wii is a wonderful console. Again, this isn't a desperate attempt by a fanboy to justify why "my" console has failed or how another console has done better. I could honestly care less about the numbers or who does more or who did what. The PS3 is the right choice for me and has been one of the best electronics I own. The same way that the Wii consoles are a great electronic device for households that use it as a family fun-game night device. Be that as it may, I still think it a different category than that of the "next generation" consoles. It's catering to different audiences. The games are structured differently and the philosophies of how games are played are very different. Think of it this way, go down to your local Super Wal-Mart and go to the children's toy isles. Go to the little electronics department within the children's toy section. There are a bunch of V-Tech consoles and cartridge games. I bought one for my son called "Vtech's VSmile.Baby". It's a video game console that accepts game cartridges and uses a wireless controller. It's a great little console for him. Is that in the same category as the Wii or the Xbox 360 or the PS3? Of course not. That's absurd. And that's how I feel about the Wii and the "next generation" consoles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkburn Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 ...and nothing. I was simply illustrating a point that in times of economic recession, it is a possibility that the decision to buy a Wii over another console maybe based solely on the cheaper price tag. It's not an excuse or anything of the sort, it's just a point I made. Nothing more. I know my sister and her daughter really wanted a PS3 for a while but ended up settling on the Wii due to their financial situation. I'm not implying that this possibility takes anything away from the Wii itself nor am I claiming a padded sale list. I was just simply stating that it is a possibility. You are absolutely implying padded sales. What's the point of the paragraph if you're not? Besides, the Wii came out at the end of 2006. It has sold like hotcakes ever since then, and that was long before any recession. While it's possible the Wii *might* have done relatively worse later in its life had there not been a recession, it's purely conjecture and only shows further how Nintendo "got it right". I think the rest of your post is fair as it's clear it's your opinion - and a fair chunk I do agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soniqstylz Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 The Xbox 360 and the PS3 both have a library that include games that are both state-of-the-art and have obtained mature ratings. The Wii games only posses games which utilize the Wii controller's motions and buttons while graphics are severely restricted by the Wii hardware's lack of modern graphics capabilities. The Wii doesn't have any mature games (to my knowledge). This isn't necessarily a bad quality for the console. However, it does show that the other two consoles cater to a more mature audience. Just broaching this subject, but the Wii has a number of 'M'-rated titles, including ports of RE4, Scarface, The Godfather, and Manhunt 2, MK: Armageddon, CoD, Alone in the Dark, No More Heroes (1 & 2), and versions of Splinter Cell: DA, Far Cry, Dead Space, Silent Hill, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anibal P Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 As long as the main reason to get a PS3 continues to be Blu-Ray playback, then yes, it has failed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+E.Worm Jimmy Subscriber¹ Posted July 4, 2010 Subscriber¹ Share Posted July 4, 2010 Just broaching this subject, but the Wii has a number of 'M'-rated titles, including ports of RE4, Scarface, The Godfather, and Manhunt 2, MK: Armageddon, CoD, Alone in the Dark, No More Heroes (1 & 2), and versions of Splinter Cell: DA, Far Cry, Dead Space, Silent Hill, etc. Dont forget HOUSE OF THE DEAD: OVERKILL. its extremely fun adult arcade game! i almost missed out on mature games on wii, but overkill, and dead space: extraction are a lot of fun. nothing like that was possible on xbox360 or PS3 until move/kinnect comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PreKe Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 That's partly due to the cheap price of the Wii. No, it's because the Wii caters to a much bigger market. Let me ask you though, how many people that bought a Wii also own a PS3 or an XBox 360? I know several people that own only a PS3 or only an XBox 360 but I know of no one that owns only a Wii. Why would I care what everyone else owns? But considering that the Wii has sold more than the PS3 and 360 combined (and the gap is expanding), more people do own a Wii than either of these. Your point being? The Wii is a children's gaming system with a very small selection of good or "must-have" games. No, the Wii is a system for everyone. They specifically went for mothers as one of their target groups, for example. You fail at "analyzing" the Wii. I think it's called "denial". Nintendo is winning the numbers game with the Wii. However, I never really saw the Wii as a competitor to the XBox 360 or the PS3. It's the other way around. Those two are no competition to the Wii. the Wii is more of a child's system with its very gimmicky games There's that denial again :D I guess my main point is that I don't think the Nintendo Wii is "beating" the XBox 360 or the PS3 because I don't think the Wii is even in the same category to even be competing with those two consoles. Denial... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WastedJoker Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Nobody can deny the Wii sales figures but to take it seriously as a gaming platform? No way. It's sales performance in no way impacts sales of other consoles - Wii is for cheapskates or people who aren't really into gaming. We don't need either of the above diluting the Xbox/PS3 market. boobless 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Veteran Posted July 5, 2010 Veteran Share Posted July 5, 2010 Nobody can deny the Wii sales figures but to take it seriously as a gaming platform? No way. It's sales performance in no way impacts sales of other consoles - Wii is for cheapskates or people who aren't really into gaming. We don't need either of the above diluting the Xbox/PS3 market. Err, that's basically all I do for entertainment is gaming. I have a Wii, a PS2 I bought used and an unused Xbox classic. The Wii is a blast. I don't really want photo-realistic games that only last 4 hours, I'm not interested in my console playing video discs as I have a computer and a disc player that can do that better, and I'm certainly not interested in a console that there's >50% chance that it will be spending part of it's life in the "hardware hospital" due to bad design. Sure, there's bad games for the Wii. There are also plenty of bad games for the PlayStation, Xbox, PC, etc. If anything is harming console sales it's games WoW and the lack of some kind of decent MMO on dedicated systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boobless Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Nobody can deny the Wii sales figures but to take it seriously as a gaming platform? No way. It's sales performance in no way impacts sales of other consoles - Wii is for cheapskates or people who aren't really into gaming. We don't need either of the above diluting the Xbox/PS3 market. Hey now... Nielsen found that Wii households tend to be "upscale," or more likely to boast an annual income of more than $100,000. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6175665.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Knight Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 I don't know about you guys but my dick gets hard every time I use my Playstation. It works as a Blu-Ray player which no other console does and it allows you to play games online which other consoles do but not on the PSN network. Their controller is innovative in that it supports both rumble and tilting. The PS3 can render games in HD which is awesome. The PS3's software is also awesome. The XMB makes OS X and Windows 7 look like amateur UI design. Nobody ever gets lost in XMB or can't figure out what to do. It's simple and straight forward while giving you powerful configuration options. The only thing that I don't like about the PS3 is that they removed PS2 backwards compatibility. But I guess that isn't an issue anymore since I sold my PS2 and all my games. But then again I only did that because I didn't have space to hook up my PS2 and I'm too lazy to bust it out just to play a few games. Anyway, like I said, my dick is hard for the PS3. Tech Star 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PreKe Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Nobody can deny the Wii sales figures but to take it seriously as a gaming platform? Who is going to take gaming seriously as an entertainment medium if it's going to be run by a bunch of "hardcore"? No way. It's sales performance in no way impacts sales of other consoles - Wii is for cheapskates or people who aren't really into gaming. The fact is that the Wii is outselling the other two combined. Nintendo is keeping gaming afloat. The rest of the industry is in shambles. We don't need either of the above diluting the Xbox/PS3 market. Actually, we need the hardcore market to die. And it's already dyhing. PS3/360 are trying to jump on the expanded market bandwagon. And the hardcore are crying their poor little eyes out. I love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted July 5, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted July 5, 2010 I don't know about you guys but my dick gets hard every time I use my Playstation. It works as a Blu-Ray player which no other console does and it allows you to play games online which other consoles do but not on the PSN network. Their controller is innovative in that it supports both rumble and tilting. The PS3 can render games in HD which is awesome. The PS3's software is also awesome. The XMB makes OS X and Windows 7 look like amateur UI design. Nobody ever gets lost in XMB or can't figure out what to do. It's simple and straight forward while giving you powerful configuration options. The only thing that I don't like about the PS3 is that they removed PS2 backwards compatibility. But I guess that isn't an issue anymore since I sold my PS2 and all my games. But then again I only did that because I didn't have space to hook up my PS2 and I'm too lazy to bust it out just to play a few games. Anyway, like I said, my dick is hard for the PS3. That's it, finally people on Neowin can stop calling me a PS3 fanboy It sometimes happens to me when the GF is over and I'm playing Demons Souls though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted July 5, 2010 Veteran Share Posted July 5, 2010 Why would I care what everyone else owns? But considering that the Wii has sold more than the PS3 and 360 combined (and the gap is expanding), more people do own a Wii than either of these. Your point being? No it hasn't, and I'm pretty sure I've gone over this with you, or at least I've told someone else that this is incorrect. Wii: 70 odd million 360: 40 odd million PS3: 35 odd million So yeah, the gap is expanding, but not in favour of the Wii! I don't know about you guys but my dick gets hard every time I use my Playstation. It works as a Blu-Ray player which no other console does and it allows you to play games online which other consoles do but not on the PSN network. Their controller is innovative in that it supports both rumble and tilting. The PS3 can render games in HD which is awesome. The PS3's software is also awesome. The XMB makes OS X and Windows 7 look like amateur UI design. Nobody ever gets lost in XMB or can't figure out what to do. It's simple and straight forward while giving you powerful configuration options. The only thing that I don't like about the PS3 is that they removed PS2 backwards compatibility. But I guess that isn't an issue anymore since I sold my PS2 and all my games. But then again I only did that because I didn't have space to hook up my PS2 and I'm too lazy to bust it out just to play a few games. Anyway, like I said, my dick is hard for the PS3. I lol'd pretty damn hard at this post :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PreKe Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 No it hasn't, and I'm pretty sure I've gone over this with you, or at least I've told someone else that this is incorrect.Wii: 70 odd million 360: 40 odd million PS3: 35 odd million So yeah, the gap is expanding, but not in favour of the Wii! Really! Not in favor of the Wii, eh? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted July 5, 2010 Veteran Share Posted July 5, 2010 what does that graph have to do with anything I just said to you? You said the Wii was outselling the 360 & PS3 combined when it's not. The gap is increasing the very opposite way of what you said. Wii: 70 mil vs 360: 40 + PS3: 35 = 75 mil Couldn't be anymore black & white with the figures. Not to mention these figures are a little behind when you take into account the new 360 etc So yeah, it's outselling them individually, no one's arguing that. But certainly not combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacemf Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 dont care, when the new consoles come out i'll just buy those, doesnt matter who makes them..........as long as they have the games and price i want :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motoko. Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 For now motion controls are in their infancy and I believe people see that (the ones that really care about their games). Nowadays when there's enough money to pump and develop a certain technology it makes way for the masses and if people see overall value they'll buy. I had my Wii since 2006 and never really touched it till now (2010), there's a huge library of retro games on the virtual console that I've played years ago. Since my 360 died and I'm left with the Wii it's not really so bad. There's a fun factor no matter what kind of game you're playing from graphically intense to a side scroller, with so many options now we've been spoiled on choice and to me at least some gamers can't really seem to make the right one because we look to marketing and other people's experiences rather than our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boz Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Well I think Sony got back somewhat in the game with Slim and stronger game line up for PS3.. so I can't call them complete failure.. the console is definitely getting there.. but the reality is that Sony lost the battle. Move is just a more precise Wiimote.. and it's pretty expensive considering that if you want to play all those games as they've shown them you will have buy multiple move devices and eye toy camera etc.. I mean it gets pretty damn expensive and it really gives you nothing more but a higher res Wiimote again. The reason why I said Sony lost the battle is because in all reality they have.. They absolutely owned the market last generation.. they had such a massive lead on things from software and hardware side, for a company to get their Playstation brand into the position it is in now, cant' be called success.. Nintendo completely took the market, Microsoft expended Xbox brand beyond anyone's imagination and took the second spot and Sony, who had a massive lead in everything, ended up being 3rd and if Kinect turns out to be a blast, and I think it will be (I will be buying the thing just for the dance stuff and aerobics and bowling and boxing etc) it will revamp Xbox 360 completely.. You can already see that Xbox 360 Slim with Kinect support is selling insanely well.. I can't find the damn thing anywhere..it's all sold out and at $299.99.. Microsoft is not losing money with this one.. I'm pretty sure they are making money now.. I don't think this editorial (opinion piece) is that biased at all.. it's just looking at past few years and how Sony conducted their business. It was pretty bad and bad decisions one after another which cost them absolute dominance in the game industry they had with Playstation 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJerman Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 I think the article is absolutely true, and here's why. Sony may be keeping up for the most part, but for years, Sony was THE leader. There wasn't even much of a race. The PS2 dominated all sales, but the PS3 comes in last in sales. Even if they aren't doing bad, even if they aren't in trouble, they are still not the same Sony and have slipped quite a bit. Now I've never been a Playstation owner, but I'm not one to be an immature little nerd like so many people seem to be and give reasons why one brand sucks or another is awesome, I just buy what I like and leave it at that. As a kid we always had Nintendos (NES, SNES, N64), but I got an Xbox for myself. I think I was largely interested in the modding aspect of the Xboxs, and Xbox Live. The PS3 has been a great gaming platform also, but I've always felt it lacked that fun in gaming that the 360 has, and I think a lot of that is due to Xbox Live. I'm hoping for the next generation, rather than fading further, Sony will come up with something great to take continue to give some good competition and good choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PreKe Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 what does that graph have to do with anything I just said to you? You said: "the gap is expanding, but not in favour of the Wii" The graphs show something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunknMunky Veteran Posted July 13, 2010 Veteran Share Posted July 13, 2010 You said: "the gap is expanding, but not in favour of the Wii" The graphs show something else. The gap of 360 + PS3 combined is increasing away from the Wii in their favour, not the Wii's favour. That whole discussion kicked off because you were talking about the sales combined. And I've shown you again, for the n'th time, you're wrong. Not to mention quoting an NPD graph means jack ****, since it's nowhere near a true representation of one market, never mind the world sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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