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Why do people think HTML5 is going to kill Flash?


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Some people think that WebM is awesome...

Others don't realize that HTML5 only wins against flash when bundled with D2D hardware acceleration....

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Didn't the porn industry pick HD DVD?

On topic: I don't think HTML5 is going to replace Flash anytime soon. All the HTML5 web apps I've seen have been very CPU intensive. They never really feel as responsive and snappy as Flash apps, sorta like Javascript, ironically enough.

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It will kill Flash, just not for at least another few years.

Flash is rather like Java Applets, new technology which can do most of what we use Flash for is coming out, however it's not quite there yet - there are too many different different levels of support in the current and next generation of web browsers.

Until we settle on standards that are supported by all browsers AND the vast majority of people are using a modern browser then flash will still be around and will be the tool of choice.

I think even then Flash will still be around, just as Java Applets are today (although extremely rare across the majority of the web). There will always be edge cases where HTML 5 and Canvas will not be enough, and for these flash will be the only answer.

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Not going to happen any time soon.

Even if the HTML5 spec was finalised tomorrow and all the major browsers supported the same video codec and even the next version of IE had amazing support for it all - us web developers will still have to cater for the irritatingly large number of users who simply don't update their browsers. I think that it won't be too much of a problem for tech-oriented websites because that audience all tend to keep things up-to-date-ish. But sites targeted at different audiences are still going to have to cater for older browsers.

Think about it, we've got all these nice fancy CSS features these days, but we rarely use them because too many people use IE6 - heck, one of my sites has a few regulars on IE5.5. We *could* make separate versions of a site for new & legacy browsers, but that costs time and time is money.

Flash, on the other hand, has been around for donkeys years. It provides a pretty seamless cross-browser experience. Yeah, you need a plugin for it. Big whoop. Is that really that much of a problem if 99% of users have that plugin? How many years is it going to take for 99% of users to have HTML5 capable browsers installed? Hopefully not too long - it does have some big players backing it...but my Auntie who likes to check her email, buy stuff on ebay or watch crap on youtube on her Win 98 IE6 machine isn't going to care if Google/Apple/MS/God-himself is backing HTML5.

IMO, HTML5 is technically capable of squashing flash. But it's going to need some suave JS libraries to make developing HTML5 games and manipulating images, animations etc. as easy as it is in flash - but just because it's capable, doesn't mean it will.

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Developers just like to hate on Flash because most of them don't know how to use it. And they are very mistakenly thinking that all the truly special things you can do in Flash with enough proficiency will not need the same level of proficiency in HTML5.

If you want a jaw dropping website then you need good programming in addition to good design, simple as that. Even if you can do more with HTML5 without being a programmer, by the time it settles in those features will be as bland as a marquee is now.

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Developers just like to hate on Flash because most of them don't know how to use it. And they are very mistakenly thinking that all the truly special things you can do in Flash with enough proficiency will not need the same level of proficiency in HTML5.

If you want a jaw dropping website then you need good programming in addition to good design, simple as that. Even if you can do more with HTML5 without being a programmer, by the time it settles in those features will be as bland as a marquee is now.

^this

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HTML5 will probably never replace Flash, but people think so because it has good potential. HTML5 support most (if not all) of the things Flash does and is also open standard.

Currently nothing in HTML5 works as it should. For example, video playback is a joke and it also lacks a lot of features such as adaptive streaming (smooth streaming), seeking and DRM. And of course every browser uses different codec, so you have to encode video with at least 2 or 3 codecs to display it correctly to every visitor.

One of the reason that HTML5 might fall is interpretation of standards. Microsoft always finds a way to interpret them differently and therefore we will have to modify HTML5 so that every browser will display it correctly.

HTML5 might not be a Flash replacement, but Silverlight might be. SL is also more open than Flash, but Linux users still don't have workable plugin.

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open standard is the only reason why everyone are after HTML5....... HTML5 is still very immature and not even half good as flash....

There are many short comings which makes it hard to replace flash...... dont you need a royalty free web?

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open standard is the only reason why everyone are after HTML5....... HTML5 is still very immature and not even half good as flash....

There are many short comings which makes it hard to replace flash...... dont you need a royalty free web?

We need a royalty free web, but 99% of people don't care about that.

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It will kill it... But doesn't Flash us up web server bandwidth, whereas HTML5 will not. I think...? :/

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That's because HTML 5 can do everything what Flash does and at what cost? Zero! It is open and free, while making Flash presentations is complex and costly. Secondly, you do not need to install Flash on your computer to watch videos (if they support HTML 5)! If you have browser, you have HTML 5.

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i donj't think its going to replace it. two different things.

Html5 just makes it easier to display videos without needing a plugin, but for the rest that flash does, you cant really do in html5, so there's really no point

You need to educate yourself more.

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Flash costs about AU$1,000 while HTML5 is free. Enough said.

Umm ... http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Flex+SDK

and ... http://apiblog.youtube.com/2010/06/flash-and-html5-tag.html (that's just regarding video)

and ... http://www.williammalone.com/articles/flash-vs-html5-canvas-drawing/

People talking about complexity, flash and html5 are exactly the same complexity purely from a code point of view. The difference is, you can get the flash IDE and make the icon much more easily (this becomes much more useful for higher complexity graphics). If there are good IDEs in the future for HTML5 + Canvas, you think they will be free? Not to mention the Flash IDE isn't just for creating graphics ...

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Flash still has its place, and will continue to do so (along with Silverlight of course) for many years to come. The only difference being that it will stop being the one-stop-shop for all of our multimedia needs, since we not have <audio> and <video> incorporated into the recommendation. Flash will still have a place with highly interactive web-based applications though. Video conferencing, although possible in HTML5 is going to be difficult to implement inside the browser, so I reckon that Flash will still be good for things like that for a long time yet.

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If you want a jaw dropping website then you need good programming in addition to good design, simple as that. Even if you can do more with HTML5 without being a programmer, by the time it settles in those features will be as bland as a marquee is now.

Every time you make a full flash website, Mittens the accessibility kitten dies a little inside.

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Are you suggesting that html5 can do everything that flash can do?

Not everything, but a lot more than just video (which you make it out to be).

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I'm tired of hearing this. Why do people think this and what is your opinion on it?

Because Steve Jobs said so and all the cool kids and Apple drones are following what he says

In reality Flash and HTML5 will coexists for the foreseeable future

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For one thing, it will be available inherently within most modern browsers, meaning no more 3rd party plug-ins to rely on. That alone is a big thing, because having to rely on a single third-party plug-in to view 98% of web content is just plain nuts. Not only that, but Flash is buggy and causes a lot of headaches for developers and users alike.

Also, as others have said, it will be an open format. That is, anyone can contribute to it and make it better without having to pay some company royalty fees and license fees and so forth. That's the way it should be: if you have something that you can't live without or something you feel makes the web better, you should be able to do with it as you please (within reason) and contribute as needed.

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