markwolfe Veteran Posted July 10, 2010 Veteran Share Posted July 10, 2010 In which case, take it to a supervisor, that's the reason they exist. +1 Rep We have Supervisors. And, failing that, we have Admins. If you really, really want a forum where you are free to insult other members, Neowin is not the place for you. Sorry, but that is the plain truth. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Laidher Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 +1 Rep We have Supervisors. And, failing that, we have Admins. If you really, really want a forum where you are free to insult other members, Neowin is not the place for you. Sorry, but that is the plain truth. No one is saying lets start cursing everyone out.I just think somethings like trivial pictures should be taken with a grain of salt. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupcakes Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 No one is saying lets start cursing everyone out.I just think somethings like trivial pictures should be taken with a grain of salt. If pictures posted are trivial, then they're spam. Which is not allowed. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted July 10, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted July 10, 2010 No one is saying lets start cursing everyone out.I just think somethings like trivial pictures should be taken with a grain of salt. I'd say the moderation staff have a much better idea of what's a warnable offence and what not. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Laidher Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 If pictures posted are trivial, then they're spam. Which is not allowed. Mods over it look it all the time though. Ive seen them post in threads that have pictures in them.When they delete a post they usually give a reason.But i hardly ever see them do that.Unless its pictures of almost naked chicks. If it was such a big taboo they would post a sticky up telling everyone not to do it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted July 10, 2010 Veteran Share Posted July 10, 2010 One thing that members shouldn't need to be told to do is to be respectful to other members. If someone lashes out and call other members "twats" or they post insulting images then they aren't being a good member, plain and simple. Now sometimes you'll get away with it and sometimes you won't. We can't read every thread and not every member uses the report button. If you get a warning that you think is in error then talk to a Supervisor. I know that I have reversed other mods' warnings and I know that other staff have pointed out some of my mistakes as well. Each warning gets its own thread and it isn't uncommon for there to be a discussion of the incident. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Laidher Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Oh damn I just noticed im over 1000 posts.. Anyway I'm over this whole warning thing now.6 months is hella long to wait though. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockz Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Mods over it look it all the time though. Ive seen them post in threads that have pictures in them.When they delete a post they usually give a reason.But i hardly ever see them do that.Unless its pictures of almost naked chicks. They could have been on lunch/work, and wanted to post something quick, but were unable to take care the issue at the time. Or they just didn't want to deal with it at that time. I know sometimes the last thing I want to do is warn someone when I'm just relaxing on a lunch break. Thats why we have more then one mod, as well as the report function. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PixilEyes Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Mods over it look it all the time though. Ive seen them post in threads that have pictures in them.When they delete a post they usually give a reason.But i hardly ever see them do that.Unless its pictures of almost naked chicks. If it was such a big taboo they would post a sticky up telling everyone not to do it. You are dragging this on a bit much. Solution as said before is "Use the report button." Problem solved. And if its considered trolling, flame bait or a personal attack on someone it will most likely result in a warning with the post being edited. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Laidher Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 You are dragging this on a bit much. Solution as said before is "Use the report button." Problem solved. And if its considered trolling, flame bait or a personal attack on someone it will most likely result in a warning with the post being edited. I also said I was done with the matter as well. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoredBozirini Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 One thing that members shouldn't need to be told to do is to be respectful to other members. If someone lashes out and call other members "twats" or they post insulting images then they aren't being a good member, plain and simple. Now sometimes you'll get away with it and sometimes you won't. We can't read every thread and not every member uses the report button. If you get a warning that you think is in error then talk to a Supervisor. I know that I have reversed other mods' warnings and I know that other staff have pointed out some of my mistakes as well. Each warning gets its own thread and it isn't uncommon for there to be a discussion of the incident. The real problem is when a user voices their honest opinion on a thread and a mod finds it insulting (not other members, only the mod). That's when the mod uses his/her power on something personal. That is wrong. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
markwolfe Veteran Posted July 10, 2010 Veteran Share Posted July 10, 2010 The real problem is when a user voices their honest opinion on a thread and a mod finds it insulting (not other members, only the mod). That's when the mod uses his/her power on something personal. That is wrong. Huh? So mods should not act on posts unless they are reported? Are mods incapable of determining rule violations? Moderator actions DO NOT occur in a vacuum. They are known to all staffers, and often discussed. Of the 10 open reports being considered and discussed, one of them has 8 different comments on it. There are no rogue moderators. Yes, there is an occasional error, but bringing the issue up with a Supervisor (or an Admin, if the Super issued the warn or whatever) will re-open discussion on the item. You are making a mountain out of where not even a molehill exists here. :ermm: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallithrax Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Someone knicked my rep buttons:blink: Come on, own up, who was it? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
markwolfe Veteran Posted July 10, 2010 Veteran Share Posted July 10, 2010 Someone knicked my rep buttons:blink: :p Read the thread. The feature has been totally disabled for the time being. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted July 10, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted July 10, 2010 Someone knicked my rep buttons:blink: Come on, own up, who was it? Neobond did it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallithrax Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 :p Read the thread. The feature has been totally disabled for the time being. I did, but it changes so quickly, and beer slows down the senses.:blush: And it was neodude was it? Well I can tell you that he'd better...do whatever he likes with them, cos I have never used them, and probably never would. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
markwolfe Veteran Posted July 10, 2010 Veteran Share Posted July 10, 2010 I did, but it changes so quickly, and beer slows down the senses.:blush: Aye! That it does. :beer: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadishTM Veteran Posted July 10, 2010 Veteran Share Posted July 10, 2010 I'd love to sort out the trolls with my old ban hammer :shifty: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted July 10, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted July 10, 2010 I'd love to sort out the trolls with my old ban hammer :shifty: Someone persuade Neobond to re-instate this man as moderator. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
08993 Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 I always knew that Neowin would leave my reputation in tatters. Maybe you guys should roll with Neowin Real ID! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PixilEyes Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Someone persuade Neobond to re-instate this man as moderator. I'll buy a sub 2 and Neobond some beer. Will that work? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Descartes Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 I'll buy a sub 2 and Neobond some beer. Will that work? Would totally work if I were him ;) Personally, I don't get the thing about moving retired moderators to an own group, which doesn't have the privileges anymore. Just that someone gives up their position as a moderator, because of lack of time (we're not talking about people who turned out irresponsible etc.), shouldn't take their powers back... My point is a group called "ex-moderators", which has technically got the same privileges, but at the same time means, that the person is not obligated to do one's duty :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
markwolfe Veteran Posted July 10, 2010 Veteran Share Posted July 10, 2010 Would totally work if I were him ;) Personally, I don't get the thing about moving retired moderators to an own group, which doesn't have the privileges anymore. Just that someone gives up their position as a moderator, because of lack of time (we're not talking about people who turned out irresponsible etc.), shouldn't take their powers back... My point is a group called "ex-moderators", which has technically got the same privileges, but at the same time means, that the person is not obligated to do one's duty :p Are you complaining about Vets? They have no powers at all. They are also saddled with the disadvantages of being a staffer of being forever ineligible for Neowin giveaways (to avoid appearances of favoritism). Not sure what you think they have as the "same privileges", but they don't. Trust me, I was one for years before being asked if I would want to come back to staff. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahmz Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 I like it how it is *now*, with no rep points :yes: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duality Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Rep points are only ever going to be a point of contention. We use them on a forum I run - and I hate them. Just isn't my decision whether we have them or not :( Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/919016-rep-changes/page/11/#findComment-592886996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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