tickLemeD Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 Does the speed effect ping? Because I have a 256k DSL connection and thinking of upgrading to 1.5mb, will it lower my ping? On 256k i'm getting 65 ping the lowest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MxxCon Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 it can, but on properly setup dsl it should not. regular windows ping is 32bytes. how much does it take to transfer 32bytes on 256kbit dsl vs 1.5mbit dsl? :) if you ALWAYS get 65ms as your lowest ping to anyway, even your gateway, find out if you are in "interleave" mode. if so, ask your isp to switch you to "fast path" mode. and generally call up your isp and talk to them to get better ping time. sometimes all they have to do is reprovision your line...10min task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCKing Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 The ping is response time through the network... it can have an effect on your speed. If all the routers it travels through are slow then your connection will generally be slower... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.fury Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 its not just the speed of the connection but the type too. my cable 150k is slow on DL/UL but still gets only 15ms ping :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToastGodSupreme Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 Think of it like this... 256 = Small pipe. When running routine pings, you should get low pings (if like MxxCon said, it's properly setup). BUT, if you start to fill that pipe (ie. dl more, ul more, etc), then your pings will suffer. If you upgrade, that just gives you a bigger pipe to use. For instance, I wouldn't be able to run my private FTP AND play CS with my 768/128 DSL. I would have to cap my FTP at 7Kb\s UL so I could get decent pings. Now that I'm in my new apt and have access to the T1, I can leave my server uncapped and be able to play CS and still get low pings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tickLemeD Posted July 14, 2003 Author Share Posted July 14, 2003 (edited) ok i get pretty crappy ping on broadbandreports.com tweak site heres what I got http://monitor.dslreports.com/tweak/block:...winXP&via=pppoA heres my line report http://www.dslreports.com/quality/nil/1109587 Edited July 14, 2003 by tickLemeD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MxxCon Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 ya, that doesn't look all too well. look at dslr's forum for your isp, see what they can tell you.. consider lowering your rwin, maybe not as low as dslr recommend, but about 12-17k is a good range.. here's my graph for 1.5/128 earthlink dsl http://www.dslreports.com/quality/nil/1106140 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToastGodSupreme Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 First off, your RWIN is too high. Change your MTU to 1492. Change your RWIN to 8712 (1492-40=1452 {your MSS} MSSx6 {better to make it an even multiple}=8712). Everything else looks good. Try my sugested settings and run another test and post back here. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tickLemeD Posted July 15, 2003 Author Share Posted July 15, 2003 heh i'd die for your pings. I use PPOA so i don't think i can change my mtu to 1492. I also have 256k up 256k down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweedo Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 Now that I'm in my new apt and have access to the T1, I can leave my server uncapped and be able to play CS and still get low pings. Damn you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToastGodSupreme Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 heh i'd die for your pings. I use PPOA so i don't think i can change my mtu to 1492. I also have 256k up 256k down Of course you can! There's a utility on their site called DrTCP. Use it. And since you are using a PPPox service, your MTU would be BEST set at 1492 or even 1464 (mine was at 1464 for a while when I had Ameritech DSL, gave a noticable improvement in pings and sustained speeds). But run another test after you do those and report back here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tickLemeD Posted July 15, 2003 Author Share Posted July 15, 2003 http://monitor.dslreports.com/tweak/block:...winXP&via=pppoA Here are the pings they skyrocketed up there :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToastGodSupreme Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 http://monitor.dslreports.com/tweak/block:...winXP&via=pppoAHere are the pings they skyrocketed up there :angry: Give it a second here. :) It's a matter of testing and finding out what exactly fits your setup. First thing I notice right off the bat is that your RWIN isn't a multiple of your MSS. Try a 1492 MTU and an RWIN of 14520. In DRTCP: Windows Scaling = off Time Stamping = off Selective Acks = On Path MTU = YES/ON Black Hole = Off/No MaxMTU = 1492 Receive Window = 14520 Then reboot and retest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToastGodSupreme Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 And by the way, after much tweaking on my end, this is what my situation looks like: http://monitor.dslreports.com/tweak/block:...in2k&via=normal Unfortunately, my server is constantly uploading and downloading, so those results are a bit off. :) If I turn my server off, I usually drop to about 40-50ms pings for the tweak test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tickLemeD Posted July 18, 2003 Author Share Posted July 18, 2003 http://monitor.dslreports.com/tweak/block:...winXP&via=pppoA Still no performance increase :no: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MxxCon Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 call your isp and bitch at them. say you get lower pings with dailup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToastGodSupreme Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 That is weird. I am honestly surprised your pings have gone UP after applying these tweaks. Well, let's try two diff RWIN values: 63360 31680 Both are even multiples of your current MTU. Maybe one of those will be closer to your line's "sweet spot". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tickLemeD Posted July 19, 2003 Author Share Posted July 19, 2003 (edited) http://monitor.dslreports.com/tweak/block:...inXP&via=normal I actually got a faster speed transfer rate http://ny-monitor.dslreports.com/tweak/blo...inXP&via=normal but still no luck :crazy: I called and complained MSN is garbage I have to hop like 15 and get the scraps down the barrel when the ones on top have like 40 ping then all the sudden i get pings around the 100s Edited July 19, 2003 by tickLemeD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MxxCon Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 don't tell them anything about games. say it's remote control or teleconferencing or something like that.. when you complain about games they think you are some kid and ignore you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tickLemeD Posted July 19, 2003 Author Share Posted July 19, 2003 lol remote control and teleconferencing. I doubt they're going to do anything about it anyways because my telco is Qwest and msn can't do anything about it and blame it on your computer. If I call qwest if u even mention the word internet they send u to MSN anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MxxCon Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 well then, request/demand conference call between you, msn and qwest check out http://www.dslreports.com/forum/msnetwork read/ask what other people are getting...maybe this is as good as it gets? :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tickLemeD Posted July 19, 2003 Author Share Posted July 19, 2003 As you can see my name is on that board. yea msn is this crappy and i think its as good as it gets. It has real bad routing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MxxCon Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 time to shop for new isp :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lammmetak Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 well speed= ping = not true i have a 1.5 mbit down and 128kbit and i get much higher pings then on adsl with lower bandwithe its like a highway speed= how much cars can drive beside u and the ping is how fast ur driving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tickLemeD Posted July 20, 2003 Author Share Posted July 20, 2003 Yea well i'm driving pretty slow. What isps do you guys recommend? Around the 40-50 dollar end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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