figgy Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 if the expansion of universe equals to the speed of light, everything will appear standstill when you are observing a distance star at a fixed frame That makes no sense at all. Can you explain how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakey Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 I always had the impression that "time" was all in the head. Just a way that people were able to place what and where to make a when. Time to us is different than Time to a fly or mouse or even dog. As we all view it differently, and there is no real set formula or calculation to set "time" to, other than events or moments we hold in memory. You can say "time" slows down, but is it actually time, or just the objects around us slowing down, or just all in our mind? I have to ask this question, because I have thought of it quite often, but don't really have anyone to discuss it with that would have the knowledge to really explain it.... A fly lives but just a short time compared to humans. Their muscles, hearts, whatever they have all beat and work super fast, like they are living life in fast forward. This could also work with a mouse instead of fly. So since this being is living such a short life, but all of its body is living at the same fast pace, does this not make the mouse maybe think and see everything in a different way? sort of like a neo in the matrix. A mouse or fly would see us making a movement towards it, and it would look almost slow motion, since it may perceive time and events faster, due to the increase speed of living. But that still wouldn't allow it to move like neo, as there are limitations to speed in this world, but still would make sense for why certain things seem to react so fast and move so quickly from our movements. But of course, doesn't matter how fast you are, if there is a mountain about to fall on you, you can't always escape it lol. Did any of that make sense? If so, is any of it plausible? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Battery Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Last few days Ive noticed my clock at work was a little out, I knew something like this would be behind it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted July 16, 2010 Veteran Share Posted July 16, 2010 It's very hard for us on planet earth to observe time with any sort of objective sense. We're not aware of the speed that our planet is moving through space-time. From our perspective the earth is more or less standing still and all measurements of time is relative to the position of the sun. Things get more complicated when we realize that the sun with the earth in tow are moving through space-time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenomorph Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 But where in the BIBLE does it mention any of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSoft Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 You'd notice don't worry. If time indeed slows down, so do all the processes. Imagine ?a 50% cut in time, fuel will combust like on a highspeed camera replay. However since the scale of the slowing down rate, you have nothing to worry about. The human race, or indeed any kind of life form, will be extinct long before it gets 'noticeable' Sorry Petrossa but this is completely wrong except maybe the part about the human race being extinct before any time anomalies that they are talking about the article would actually happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey B. Veteran Posted July 16, 2010 Veteran Share Posted July 16, 2010 That is an interesting concept however. it relies too much on speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSoft Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Last few days Ive noticed my clock at work was a little out, I knew something like this would be behind it! That's just your bosses trying to get an extra 15 mins out of your workday :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spy beef Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Maybe there is a crack in time... I think we should call the Doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerrar Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 I have to ask this question, because I have thought of it quite often, but don't really have anyone to discuss it with that would have the knowledge to really explain it.... A fly lives but just a short time compared to humans. Their muscles, hearts, whatever they have all beat and work super fast, like they are living life in fast forward. This could also work with a mouse instead of fly. So since this being is living such a short life, but all of its body is living at the same fast pace, does this not make the mouse maybe think and see everything in a different way? sort of like a neo in the matrix. A mouse or fly would see us making a movement towards it, and it would look almost slow motion, since it may perceive time and events faster, due to the increase speed of living. But that still wouldn't allow it to move like neo, as there are limitations to speed in this world, but still would make sense for why certain things seem to react so fast and move so quickly from our movements. But of course, doesn't matter how fast you are, if there is a mountain about to fall on you, you can't always escape it lol. Did any of that make sense? If so, is any of it plausible? lol I was speaking to a quantum physicist today at work. He said that time is an illusion and what is perceived as time as well as space is due how our brain interprets our limited senses, and gave me different examples of how animals, bugs see and experience both time and space, which differs remarkably from our own understanding. He also argued, that there is a new type of literature that theorizes that reality is a collection of information, i.e. when you move a box from place A to B, there is actually no box to move, but its information that constitutes it as box which is moved from A to B is interpreted in our brains. Will ask him on Monday for references as it was a hectic day today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted July 16, 2010 Veteran Share Posted July 16, 2010 What we perceive as a solid box is actually mostly nothing at the atomic level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petrossa Posted July 17, 2010 Author Share Posted July 17, 2010 Sorry Petrossa but this is completely wrong except maybe the part about the human race being extinct before any time anomalies that they are talking about the article would actually happen. Sorry, but you saying it's wrong doesn't make it wrong. Chemical processes follow a timescale. An explosion takes time to develop, the shorter the time the gases build up the greater the effect. Detonation is expressed in meters per second. So if a second takes twice as long the explosive power is half the force. If it slows down enough an explosion won't be explosive but rather a long burn with as puff of smoke. So, yes you'd notice if you were alive. But already at time 50% slower the nerve signals wouldn't be fast enough to create conscious thought so it's a moot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOC Veteran Posted July 21, 2010 Veteran Share Posted July 21, 2010 Maybe there is a crack in time... I think we should call the Doctor. Heh, good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoauld Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 hopefully time stops during an episode of modern family..or something hilarious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulsiphon Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 "Then everything will be frozen, like a snapshot of one instant, forever," Senovilla told New Scientist magazine. "Our planet will be long gone by then." I don't think we have anything to worry about. Also, is this before or after our sun has expanded and consumed the earth and the other inner planets? I'm more concerned about 'heavenly bodies' pummeling our humble little rock and doing us like the dinosaurs got done ;) Would anyone even be allowed to sound warning bells once they calculated that trajectory and confirmed it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Knight Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Basically if everything stops moving you wouldn't be able to measure time. Good one, guys. So basically time is motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petrossa Posted July 21, 2010 Author Share Posted July 21, 2010 Basically if everything stops moving you wouldn't be able to measure time. Good one, guys. So basically time is motion. wow, you just reinvented a part of the theory of relativity. Not bad? :rofl: Einstein came to a sudden realization: time is not absolute. In other words, despite our common perception that a second is always a second everywhere in the universe, the rate at which time flows depends upon where you are and how fast you are traveling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOC Veteran Posted July 21, 2010 Veteran Share Posted July 21, 2010 Wait, just had a brain fart kinda. Does this mean in a vacuum or closed system even, where the temp. is Absolute Zero, there is no time? Absolute Zero means no (or minimal) molecular kinetic motion (but there is quantum mechanical zero point energy) so, if there is no or practically zero motion at all - no time? No time to be measured by the outside viewer or what? Brain, melting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Laidher Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Time dilation has notion to do with "dark energy". Time dilation does occur. Wow Petrossa, i never figured you to be so far behind on the curve that you were still a Newtonian Physicist. Gobbledegook mixed with a complete lack of understanding of various physical properties. And i am definately sure you dont know what dark energy or dark matter is. Haven't heard gobbledegook in ages lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petrossa Posted July 21, 2010 Author Share Posted July 21, 2010 Wait, just had a brain fart kinda. Does this mean in a vacuum or closed system even, where the temp. is Absolute Zero, there is no time? Absolute Zero means no (or minimal) molecular kinetic motion (but there is quantum mechanical zero point energy) so, if there is no or practically zero motion at all - no time? No time to be measured by the outside viewer or what? Brain, melting. Absolute zero cannot exist, law of thermodynamics. Mainly because it wouldn't fit in our model of the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOC Veteran Posted July 21, 2010 Veteran Share Posted July 21, 2010 Absolute zero cannot exist, law of thermodynamics. Mainly because it wouldn't fit in our model of the universe. Yes I know Absolute Zero cannot be reached artifically, my question was more of a "what if?" type of thing. IF Absolute Zero could be reached in a closed system or a vacuum, would time cease to exist as well? Guess I should have worded it that way to start with. Sorry, it's kinda early here :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petrossa Posted July 21, 2010 Author Share Posted July 21, 2010 ah. Well asking the question is answering it. If absolute zero is reached you void the laws of physics, so the universe as we know it should cease to exist. ?I guess time goes with it, it being an integral part of our model of the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOC Veteran Posted July 21, 2010 Veteran Share Posted July 21, 2010 Yeah but then you run into all sorts of quantum theory violations and what not, so who knows what would happen since as you said our current model of the Universe kinda goes bye bye if Absolute Zero was reached. Then again, that is also just a theory. Maybe nothing would happen if Absolute Zero was reached, or maybe everything would happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petrossa Posted July 21, 2010 Author Share Posted July 21, 2010 Yeah but then you run into all sorts of quantum theory violations and what not, so who knows what would happen since as you said our current model of the Universe kinda goes bye bye if Absolute Zero was reached. Then again, that is also just a theory. Maybe nothing would happen if Absolute Zero was reached, or maybe everything would happen... http://www.youtube.c...h?v=XtPgr94VYA4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Knight Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 wow, you just reinvented a part of the theory of relativity. Not bad? :rofl: Einstein came to a sudden realization: time is not absolute. In other words, despite our common perception that a second is always a second everywhere in the universe, the rate at which time flows depends upon where you are and how fast you are traveling So basically I'm up there with Einstein then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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