Internet Paranoia


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mr_da3m0n: The problem is... people like you who don't bother to read a WHOLE thread before you comment. Noone was saying anything about firewalls being stupid, just the people who use them and have no clue. I myself am completely against software firewalls. The most secure way to keep people off of your network is by using hardware of some sort, be it a linux box used as a router or a hardware firewall.

BTW: nice site mr_da3m0n

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i actually employ two of them one corporate one personal... and they backup hardware

i have people who activly seek my computer for various information ( i do programs and cartoon animations for companies and i used to maintain sites) .... hell last month someone actually got in and used my internet for a month (now the police know who he is and hes gonna be up for court once they finish watching him) fortunatly i keep my valuable things on my old computer... off the net

YOU ARE VALUABLE TO THEM WHEN YOU HAVE UNLIMITED INTERNET AND/OR ADSL ....... and there are many things you can find on any personal pc. there are actually site that scan activly for open vulnerabilities.Then youve got people that activly scan for random coputers to destroy for the funn of it. theres a point between fine im not under any threat and being plain naive about whats actually on there.... anyone here store their net passwords so they dont have to type them in.... ever written down billing codes or bank account numbers hell even a good serial is sometimes worth it.

ill stick with massive security thanks ... i can stil do what i wanna online with minimal limitations

OH BTW THE WAY go the parranoid I LOVE TO BE ONE OF THEM... keeps me alive

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i check my processes list more than once a day, and if i see anything unusual i check what it is and delete it in 99.999% of the cases :yes: that's a lot more useful than an antivirus. a firewall is a very useful thing, but i hate stuff running in the background so i dont use one :)

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All the dumb ****s that think firewalls are not necessary are the same asses whose machines are propagating worms or participating in DDOS attacks across the internet unbeknownst to them.

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All the dumb ****s that think firewalls are not necessary are the same asses whose machines are propagating worms or participating in DDOS attacks across the internet unbeknownst to them.

Heh, no, actually thats the dumb sh*ts who dont run decent AntiVirus software.

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I don't run a firewall personally, but I do have a friend that runs 3 different software firewalls simultaneously (zonealarm pro, mcafee firewall & blackice).

He's a really paranoid person mind you...

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i have a firewall because it makes me feel safe and i know that it will keep the most people out of my system cause only the elite hackers can probley get pass them but it worth it if u do online shoping and onling banking like my mum and dad do on my pc that has broadband. so it is worth it i say as i said it keeps MOST people out.

i also have an anti virus cause it worth it to come on with the ammount of virus now days u need one.

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I personally consider a hardware firewall as a must, whilst I view Anti-Virus as 100% optional (apart from the wife's PC - she'll click OK to anything.) given that i've never had one in recent years - in the past I had Jerusalem in the 80's and Lamer Exterminator on the Amiga from infected floppies - those were the days of AV software being essential! Nowerdays almost every virus needs you to click "OK" before it can do it's work.

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My router is good enough for me.......I check the logs about once a month just to see if there is anything in there. Usually it's ping of death attacks if anything. No big deal. If I get someone that is trying to do an attack, I just reboot my DSL box and have it assign a new IP number. Nothing on my computer worth stealing anyway. As for antivirus software, I have one, but I don't use the "scan everything" option on. The only thing it actively checks is my incoming e-mail. As for anything else, my download manager (star downloader) has an option to pop on my virus check program after I download a file.

:alien:

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that was funny

i could swear i saw my stupid brother lol

well i got 2 firewalls : 1 in my router and 1 in windows

i dont have much to protect lol

only some music haha

and a cache full of the site neowin

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Connecting to the internet via broadband (DSL, Cable, T1 etc....) and not having a firewall (hardware or software) is just plain dumb. You should be thrown in jail for being a menace to society. If you leave your machine on all the time, you should be executed on the spot. :crazy:

No, it's not because of your excel spreadsheets or your porn, or your MP3. By having an open machine sitting on the net like a duck, you are begging to become a part of the next DDoS attack. That's what people are scanning your computer for. They are looking for open ports and vulnerabilities they can use to attack your machine, install the DDoS client, or another backdoor trojan they can control. And believe me, they do find them. Read this story for a reality check: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2134275,00.html

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i read that and it said some machines were infected. well i have antivirus software, plus practice common sense in not opening or running things that I receive in email.

besides that.. no one is questioning the value of firewalls here. what we're having a laugh about is the stupidity of SOME of the paranoid people. did you read the story at the link in the first post?

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Heh, no, actually thats the dumb sh*ts who dont run decent AntiVirus software.

Antivirus applications will not detect every possible trojan... In reality, only widespread trojans are detected by antivirus applications. This is why you need a firewall to alert you of suspicious outgoing packets.

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I plan on setting up firewall on my old pc on my network when I get my own PC, I don't really know why, I just thought it would be a good idea... I know no one is going to hack into my PC to pinch files because who would be stuppid enough to steel a documents belonging to my sister who does stuppid pics of elephants in paint etc. I just thought it would add a sense of security.

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I do not run a firewall on my PC. It is not necessary... I have file/folder sharing totally disabled on the NIC that's on my WAN, run NAV2003Prof., and have taken numerous other precautions.

A firewall is NOT necessary to be secure... :no:

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Man you guys are lettin' me down. Or maybe it's just because in my Job, I do Network Security and so I'm more aware of the threats than others are. Using a FW is a VERY good idea. But that is ONLY, and I REALLY mean this, ONLY if you are on Broadband. If you are on Dial-Up, then you are an idiot.

Having a FW can help you keep from becoming an attacker for someone because you clicked a link on some website and an ActiveX script dropped a 35 kb file on your system who embedded itself into a few key files and then contatced a remote IRC server and logged in.

So if this happened and you had a FW then you would know that your Upload was being used to Slam some server on the Internet. So you could pull the plug and then clean the Trojan. And I don't wanna hear this BS from you guys about how you have anti-viri software and can't get a Trojan, because a I have a whole Database of Trojans here at work that I can send you to prove otherwise.

These Trojans disable Anti-Viri software and so you can't pick itup. Also, you can block remote operations from running on your computer and turn on packet filtering if need be.

Yes, you won't get hacked for the things you have on your computer. You get hacked so someone else can use you to attack someone else. people please think outside of your belongings.

Like I said, my job requires me to be paranoid. But we have logged into IRC attack servers on multiple occasions and seen boxes from all over the internet that are home users and they aren't even aware of it. Here's an easy way to figure this out open a command prompt and type:

netstat -an | find ":6667"

and then

netstat -an | find ":113 "

If you are not logged into an IRC server and you see either of these ports open you may be infected with a Zombie Bot or Trojan. There are also some new threats buuilding out there. They are still being built at present but they are Referring to these new ones as Hydras. Now it's called that beause of the way the Hydra works and Hydras' in mythology had more than one head. I am still collecting information on Hydras and once I have finished gathering what I can I'll place my report on them up here on Neowin.

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? And I don't wanna hear this BS from you guys about how you have anti-viri software and can't get a Trojan, because a I have a whole Database of Trojans here at work that I can send you to prove otherwise.
In my experience (also working in the field), most AV engines DO detect most trojans, especially when running heuristics.
? You get hacked so someone else can use you to attack someone else. people please think outside of your belongings.?

You're not saying anything that hasn't already been said in this thread to be honest.

Seriously, if you knew your stuff, you'd know no self respecting IRC user or vx'r would try to connect to an irc server on 6667... (heh and 'anti-viri software' made me chuckle a little).

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Having a FW can help you keep from becoming an attacker for someone because you clicked a link on some website and an ActiveX script dropped a 35 kb file on your system who embedded itself into a few key files and then contatced a remote IRC server and logged in.

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And I don't wanna hear this BS from you guys about how you have anti-viri software and can't get a Trojan, because a I have a whole Database of Trojans here at work that I can send you to prove otherwise.

in the activex scenario, would you not have to download the activex component? if thats the case, IE prompts you if you'd like to install it. who would install that?

in the 2nd scenario, as you say, you'd have to send it to us.. assuming we didnt know you and wouldn't know what the attachment is or why you're sending it, why would anyone open the file in the email?

a firewall isn't needed in both these scenarios to avoid these traps, just common sense, wouldn't you agree?

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LOL! Stop being so paranoid guys. I ran for years with no firewall. Eventually I set my computer up as a webserver for a website known as xp-users.com... its gone today, because some hacker hacked my computer, and made me reformat and stuff. That was the only reason I have a firewall today. No one cares if your a home user. The only place where you would be in danger of an attack would be like if you worked at a business that was well known, or important. Like microsoft or apple, or nasa or something. As long as a hacker doesnt get me into trouble, or ruin my computer, then I wont even notice anyway.

Josh

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besides that.. no one is questioning the value of firewalls here. what we're having a laugh about is the stupidity of SOME of the paranoid people. did you read the story at the link in the first post?

You said it yourself in your first post in the topic:

i've been basically saying the same thing forever. why bother using firewall software? you don't have anything interesting to take ffs. i didnt use firewall software up until the built in XP one, and thats only on because its default as on, and I was never hacked.. not in the years i had the internet.
As did kxgard3:

I don't use any firewall whats the point, I don't have nothing they can steal, that would ruin my life. Nor do I use virus software, I just back up what is important, to me. I have never got a virus and If I ever did a easy format will fix it.

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what i meant by value was that yes it will indeed stop a hack IF you're a target of it, and that was never questioned. but i still say "why bother?" if you're joe user because "you don't have anything interesting to take ffs" ;)

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