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so basicly I am running a network at home and I am so ****ed of now, because my 12 year old sister have got a url sent to here with pictures of a dead girl... Shes 12 for f*ck sake and now she has seen murder.. :angry: The internet is getting c*cked up.. :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

So here is my question... I have a dhcp server (going to install a domain on it soon) if I install Symtac Norton Internet Security will the block forbidden site function block all through going traffic? I have only tried it on my xp machine and love it but it seams as if it is a internet explorer addon...

Anyone who has tried this?

I am running Windows 2003 server enterprise (will this symtac program not run on 2003 either? Is there a server/corp version)

Added: Going away for a week now so I can answer now but please leave a complete answer (if possible :no: )

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I don't quit understand what you mean by "So here is my question... I have a dhcp server (going to install a domain on it soon) if I install Symtac Norton Internet Security will the block forbidden site function block all through going traffic? I have only tried it on my xp machine and love it but it seams as if it is a internet explorer addon... "

I don't see how you coulc use NIS as a filter like that. It would border on the impossible for you to either list all the bad ip's out there you don't want her to see, and it would be crazy to try and add all the IP's you want to visit to a trusted list. I can't see that method working well.

Second was the offending URL in an email or instant message or what?

I am going to just assume you use internet explorer so I'm going to recommend you check out internet explorers Content Advisor. Just open I.E. and goto tools, internet options, content, and enable content advisor. There you can set levels for certain content such as nudity, violence and such. Also in the content advisor if you goto the general tab and choose "find ratings systems" there's some additional ones you can install. Using these you should be able to restrict access to alot of the offending material out there.

In addition to this built in conent blocking you can also use something like Net nanny. http://www.netnanny.com/index.html

If this was an email then thats harder to fight. You could try a spam tool like SAproxy or spampal to cut most of the spam out, but if it was someone she knows that sent it it won't work.

If it was in instant messenger then again there's not much you can do.

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No but in Norton Internet Security you have a function that blocks a selected group of sites like porn and other stuff.. So basicly how it works is that you select all the groups you want to block, "porn, hardcore", "porn, softcore", "porn, nudity". Then it uses LiveUpdate to get the list of all the selected groups. When the user trys to access a site or ip that is listed in the list then it will display a message from norton saying "This site has been blocked by Norton Internet Security". I have only tested this on a client and it works perfect. So I am wondering if there is a server/corp/gateway version from norton that has the same function and block all through going addresses. She got the url from msn messenger but it will open in internet explorer.

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It's not an internet explorer add on. It uses a software proxy to filter traffic. That means any program that uses HTTP will be filtered. It doesn't matter what browser you're using.

The way it would apply in your case is...

The MSN messenger link will still appear

When your daughter clicks on it, IE will start.

However, instead of showing the offensive stuff, it should show a "This site has been blocked by Norton Internet Security"

I say should because it is possible that the block list is not comprehensive enough to catch everything. But it is highly likely to block it.

As for client-server comparisons, NIS is a client application only. For it to work as described above, it must be installed on each computer that needs it. That means that if you have 2 computers, you need to install NIS on both computers.

The setup that you described will not work with NIS and I don't believe Symantec offers a server/gateway version of this.

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have 11/15 yr old daughters. serious agreement internet is a tidal wave of filth from parents perspective, (if unfiltered/sorted) .. but VERY DIFFERENT attitude about way to limit interaction ..(first, admit its not possible to Prevent.. second,

try to totally saturate the comp time with (movies) (music) (games) that are 'known harmless' , third absolutely FORBID unmonitored 'surfing' .. do hands on (eyeballs on) monitoring of what they've VIEWED, and keep your attention focused on awareness rather than censorship.. curiousity and rebelliousness can not be overcome with any software.. one must accept the rancid and compensate for its effects, (time intensive) rather than rely on ANY system of *prevention*.. which has a precedent for censorship.. (terribly useful for the child(ren) to justify censoring what they tell YOU.. This is my take on 'Net Nanny' and other censorship programs.. which in essence do not WORK (as far as i'm concerned) to prevent the child(ren) from WANTING to go to harmful/negative sites. Innoculation, oversight, alternatives.. but not censorship.. per se.. are my strongly preferred methods. Wish you much luck with your personal answer to this dilemma, don't claim mine is perfect. :rolleyes:

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Wait - forbidding unmonitored surfing is as much censorship as a prevention system is.

I fail to see the difference here, except that your method requires a much more hands on approach to preventing children from access unacceptable content whereas most parents would be quick to argue that they do not have time like that to spare.

I would also argue that, unless you plan on going with them to the library at school, to their friends house, and generally hovering over their shoulder 24/7 then you cannot monitor their activities 100%. Your methods will quite possibly engender a greater openness between children and their parents, but they could easily have just the opposite effects as well - How many times have you heard children and rebellious adults says something to the extent of "I wish so and so would just get off my back!"

Going back to the discussion (so this post is not *TOTALLY* OT:

I have been a longtime user of Norton products, back to Norton Utilities 4.x and Norton AV 3.x. I have been using Norton Antivirus Corporate Edition for several years now (since version 6.x) and I am a true believe in all of their products. I have used the Corporate AV in both home networks without a domain as well as in corporate environments with a domain. But as for the actual Web Security I have not seen it in action.

At he very least, though, at the bottom I saw the link for the trial - I'd verify with the Symantec folks that it will work on 2003, and then try it out and evaluate it yourself...

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i think ko wants the url to the sick site thats why he wants me to pm it to him..

and no I am not going to send it to you... And I didn't save the url, she shut internet explorer straight after she saw the site..

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Ok ther is a few options (if she did clear history and cache)she probably clear history so there is this option to see what she probably saw no URL though (cache may be cleared already but it's worth a try)

C:\Documents and Settings\---type ur login name here---\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 and there will be folders just click on the floders and there will be the cache...

and NetNanny STINKS cause she can just go to program files (After terminating the program of course ) and just rename the NetNanny folder and the protection/filter will be off... (Try it yourself)

and as we all know NT is pretty secure and at a public workstation(Win 2000 Pro) I remembered that I can't close any Internet Explorer windows (It will say something like "The Administrator has disabled this funtion. Please contact administrator.") I am sure that Win XP has it too, but I am not sure how to turn the feature on though... but of course just like everything product that MS has there is a way to bypass this... Task manager > Select iexplore.exe > right click and set priority "low" > then click "End process" Of course this will take sometime...

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Well personally I don't think you'll find the answer you're seeking in one application.

I think you'll need to take a multi front approach on the war.

So I still think you should enable the content advisor in IE that I mentioned in my first post.

And even though I never used symantecs app you listed I'd give it a shot as well. It's a free trial after all and if it blocks inappropriate sites then it pretty much does what net nanny and the like do.

So you'd have your gateway protection with the symantec app, and client side protection with I.E.'s content advisor. After that I'd try and go to alot of sites I wouldn't want her to go to. If you still can then I'd make a limited user account on all the computers for her and look for a product like net nanny as well to install on all my PC's but only under her account. That way you'd have 3 things basically working for you. Not all sites have ratings set up to be used by IE's content manager, I'm sure Symantec hasn't blocked every site, and then you'd have your third content filter(Like net nanny) using a thrird list of things to be blocked.

Seem the best you can do in my opinion.

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Only one problem with content advisor and net nanny... They react to words in a webpage... And I live in sweden... The word "sex" means six in swedish.. I have tried this before and it will block all swedish pages.. And I dont mind if she reads the news and the english word sex is in it... Its the pictures that bothers me..

I have had a look at Symantec Web Security but symantec thinks that big companys are the only ones with servers so there is a minimal of 10 licenses to buy if you want the produkt..

Had a look at webmanager by Trend Microsystems (I think they are callled) but it doesn't support Windows 2003 server... Only Windows Nt 4.0 and Windows 2000 :s

Coolme trust me she doesn't want to se the sites so that is not a problem.. She was tricked into seing the page in the first place.. And I did remove all evidence of the site (cleared temp, cookies, recent, history and so on)..

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