PS3 game updates are awful


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Ok, so my dad bought a 3DTV (don't ask -- I urged him not to) and I helped him set it up. It came with a coupon with some free PSN games. Cool. I take it back to my place and start downloading them.

One of the games is Pain. Now I knew PS3 updates were poorly designed but I never thought it would be as bad as this.

First thing I see is that there are SEVEN updates. First one starts. ~370mb. Okay fine. 10 minutes later, next one comes up. 418mb.... then 340.... then 380.... then 350... Not a single update under 300mb. Why the hell am I downloading nearly 3 times the size of the original game itself? Why are there 7 separate updates that need to be individually installed? Why isn't the version I downloaded off the store already updated? I don't think I've seen an update this bad since I played Resistance 2 (I think the update for that was nearly 1gb).

I gave up playing games on my 360 for the PS3 but if there's one thing I can appreciate from MS, it's how much more intuitive and user-friendly the 360 is. I'm starting to think I spend more time installing games (fight night round 4 needs an install? seriously?), downloading title updates, installing title updates, downloading system updates, installing system updates than actually playing games.

PS: The game was totally not worth the amount of time I spent downloading this crap.

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Sony has nothing to do with how the developers choose to update the games. Blame the massive updates on the developer who failed to apparently make the game correct the first 6 times lol. That being said, having the system auto detect the updates, auto download them, and auto install them is awesome compared to what most PC games force you to go through. People on consoles are just a little too whiney about having their products made "better"..... would you be happy with a buggy glitched out game you couldn't play?

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Auto patching would be great... wait, is that part of PS Plus?

Maybe... but I'm talking about just putting in the disc or starting the game, and having it go, update is available, press O to download.... downloaded, please wait while it is installed... installed, thank you and now play the game...

That is something people are just taking for granted. Have you ever tried to update COD:MW or basically any game on the PC? You have to search through websites, and depending on the game, download multiple patches, and install them in the correct order. Console game updating is heaven compared to PC. Not something I see gripping about, unless you really want to play buggy glitched out games. People need to learn to just relax a little bit. A little bit of time off of that TV and game console is not going to kill you, and should not be a reason for a ruined day. The developers could just release a game and go, thats it, leaving whatever happens ill to fall upon all users, with no updates ever.

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Maybe... but I'm talking about just putting in the disc or starting the game, and having it go, update is available, press O to download.... downloaded, please wait while it is installed... installed, thank you and now play the game...

That is something people are just taking for granted. Have you ever tried to update COD:MW or basically any game on the PC? You have to search through websites, and depending on the game, download multiple patches, and install them in the correct order. Console game updating is heaven compared to PC. Not something I see gripping about, unless you really want to play buggy glitched out games. People need to learn to just relax a little bit. A little bit of time off of that TV and game console is not going to kill you, and should not be a reason for a ruined day. The developers could just release a game and go, thats it, leaving whatever happens ill to fall upon all users, with no updates ever.

Why are you bringing PC into this? Since you did, now ill prove you wrong.

Most developers that are smart now a days use steam for there game. Because of using steam, they can push updates through steam and what not. So what your talking about use to be the BF2/COD4 days. Get with the times man. Also, Steam does one HELL OF A JOB managing you games unlike PS3.

So whats next?

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Why are you bringing PC into this? Since you did, now ill prove you wrong.

Most developers that are smart now a days use steam for there game. Because of using steam, they can push updates through steam and what not. So what your talking about use to be the BF2/COD4 days. Get with the times man. Also, Steam does one HELL OF A JOB managing you games unlike PS3.

So whats next?

You aren't proving anything wrong, you are just bring another part of the story in. I didn't mention steam, because I was trying to show why there really shouldn't be a reason to moan about a console auto updating something for you, with just the press of 1 button. You need to drink less coffee or something, jeez man lol.

For games that do not use steam, there is a different story, and there are plenty of games that do not use steam. Steam is not the only thing on PC.

“Pure logic is the ruin of the spirit.”

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You aren't proving anything wrong, you are just bring another part of the story in. I didn't mention steam, because I was trying to show why there really shouldn't be a reason to moan about a console auto updating something for you, with just the press of 1 button. You need to drink less coffee or something, jeez man lol.

For games that do not use steam, there is a different story, and there are plenty of games that do not use steam. Steam is not the only thing on PC.

?Pure logic is the ruin of the spirit.?

A lot of pc games have their own updater. And for the ones that don't it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize which patches to download.

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Maybe... but I'm talking about just putting in the disc or starting the game, and having it go, update is available, press O to download.... downloaded, please wait while it is installed... installed, thank you and now play the game...

That is something people are just taking for granted. Have you ever tried to update COD:MW or basically any game on the PC? You have to search through websites, and depending on the game, download multiple patches, and install them in the correct order. Console game updating is heaven compared to PC. Not something I see gripping about, unless you really want to play buggy glitched out games. People need to learn to just relax a little bit. A little bit of time off of that TV and game console is not going to kill you, and should not be a reason for a ruined day. The developers could just release a game and go, thats it, leaving whatever happens ill to fall upon all users, with no updates ever.

Well, the only PC games I have installed right now are Starcraft and Warcraft 3. For either game, I can log in to Battle.net and it'll automatically download a SINGLE update that will get me into the game. And even if I didn't want to go through battle.net, I could easily go to www.battle.net and, again, download a single cumulative update.

Even with Steam, it's download Counter-Strike, play. Not download CS, download and install 10 updates, play.

Hell, with Puzzle Fighter on PSN, the title update was bigger than the game itself. Ridiculous.

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I gave up playing games on my 360 for the PS3 but if there's one thing I can appreciate from MS, it's how much more intuitive and user-friendly the 360 is. I'm starting to think I spend more time installing games (fight night round 4 needs an install? seriously?), downloading title updates, installing title updates, downloading system updates, installing system updates than actually playing games.

I think that what ienhz meant is that there should not be multiple updates to install on a game. I own a XBOX360, and updating a game takes maximum 5 seconds for me, even if the game has been out for years and that 10 updates have been released in the meantime. It signs me out of XBL, ask me if I want to update, click yes, download and install within 5 seconds.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but I've been using a XBOX360 since the day it came out, and never saw a game update take more than 10 seconds to download/install. System updates, no more than 1 minute (except maybe for the huge dashboard update that maybe took 2-3 minutes...). The fact that they don't even tell you how big the update is proves that it's not even worth mentioning.

Never owned a PS3 before, played a few times, but this seems like a good reason to stick with a XBOX360. Other reason, the controller layout is waaay better !

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Ok, so my dad bought a 3DTV (don't ask -- I urged him not to) and I helped him set it up. It came with a coupon with some free PSN games. Cool. I take it back to my place and start downloading them.

One of the games is Pain. Now I knew PS3 updates were poorly designed but I never thought it would be as bad as this.

First thing I see is that there are SEVEN updates. First one starts. ~370mb. Okay fine. 10 minutes later, next one comes up. 418mb.... then 340.... then 380.... then 350... Not a single update under 300mb. Why the hell am I downloading nearly 3 times the size of the original game itself? Why are there 7 separate updates that need to be individually installed? Why isn't the version I downloaded off the store already updated? I don't think I've seen an update this bad since I played Resistance 2 (I think the update for that was nearly 1gb).

I gave up playing games on my 360 for the PS3 but if there's one thing I can appreciate from MS, it's how much more intuitive and user-friendly the 360 is. I'm starting to think I spend more time installing games (fight night round 4 needs an install? seriously?), downloading title updates, installing title updates, downloading system updates, installing system updates than actually playing games.

PS: The game was totally not worth the amount of time I spent downloading this crap.

Pain is the worst example you could find. IIRC, the game was originally episodic. So what you are seeing are the episodes being downloaded individually all at once. No other PS3 game comes close to this one.

Again, worst example you could have possibly found lol.

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well like someone else said, it was fault of the game developer for the half arsed updating of the game, not the PS3 itself.

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Pain is the worst example you could find. IIRC, the game was originally episodic. So what you are seeing are the episodes being downloaded individually all at once. No other PS3 game comes close to this one.

Again, worst example you could have possibly found lol.

I'm pretty sure I remember LBP having 3 or 4 updates at once. Same with Uncharted 2. I know for sure that the resistance 2 update was coming close to a gig.

And again, these updates could have either been folded into the original game download or at least shown as a single update so I know how long I'm going to be spending updating instead of guessing how big the next 6 updates will be. If I knew I was going to be downloading seven 300-400mb updates, I probably would've just cancelled and deleted the game.

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You aren't proving anything wrong, you are just bring another part of the story in. I didn't mention steam, because I was trying to show why there really shouldn't be a reason to moan about a console auto updating something for you, with just the press of 1 button. You need to drink less coffee or something, jeez man lol.

For games that do not use steam, there is a different story, and there are plenty of games that do not use steam. Steam is not the only thing on PC.

“Pure logic is the ruin of the spirit.”

+1 to everyone who have already said what im about to say.

PC games do have there own updater.... After BF2/COD4 where BF2 had 5 (~1gb) patches and COD4 had 7 patches that went from 50 to 300 back to 50 and a lot of little "1.6>1.7 54meg" patches, developers learned to include a updater.

Almost ALL games now a days or the last 4-5 years have had an updater. For those who havent, a) they arent as big as other titles, b) dev rushed the game and wasnt thinking, or c) they have given you a dedicated website that will keep an order of all the updates.

So, your point is moot. Keep PC out of it. I brought steam into it because you bought PC into it. No one talked about PC, he said PS3. How the hell you got PC i dont know, but keep it out.

Speaking of drinking coffee, are you sure you dont? I know I dont and im not the one randomly bringing in another platform that doesnt even fit the right category("consoles" in this case).

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I'm pretty sure I remember LBP having 3 or 4 updates at once. Same with Uncharted 2. I know for sure that the resistance 2 update was coming close to a gig.

And again, these updates could have either been folded into the original game download or at least shown as a single update so I know how long I'm going to be spending updating instead of guessing how big the next 6 updates will be. If I knew I was going to be downloading seven 300-400mb updates, I probably would've just cancelled and deleted the game.

I was about to write the same thing - I bought a PS3 60GB a few months after it was introduced for the Blu-Ray player, but a month ago I got LBP as my first PS3 game. I heard a lot of good things about it and it was cheap. I put the game in, and it took well over an hour for me to get started playing because it had to download one patch after another, and the patches were not small, either. This game was published by Sony meaning they control how the data, including patches, are distrubuted, and the studio is owned by Sony.

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Pain's a bad example, the only other game that does the same thing is Hot Shots Golf 5 Out of Bounds, and it's patching is worse.....

Every other PS3 game tends to make cumulative updates, not A->B->C->D, etc.

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I was about to write the same thing - I bought a PS3 60GB a few months after it was introduced for the Blu-Ray player, but a month ago I got LBP as my first PS3 game. I heard a lot of good things about it and it was cheap. I put the game in, and it took well over an hour for me to get started playing because it had to download one patch after another, and the patches were not small, either. This game was published by Sony meaning they control how the data, including patches, are distrubuted, and the studio is owned by Sony.

Damn, i didnt even think of that. Now lets see him BLAME the Developers. If he does its funny, if he doesnt, well he knows he's wrong and ****ed up.

There patching system sucks, end of story.

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Damn, i didnt even think of that. Now lets see him BLAME the Developers. If he does its funny, if he doesnt, well he knows he's wrong and ****ed up.

There patching system sucks, end of story.

Eh, if pressing 1 button and having everything download and install automatically sucks, I guess that's a problem You have to deal with lol. Some people need to just realize that everything can't be instant enjoyment. boohoo I guess for you having to wait a bit for something.

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Sony has nothing to do with how the developers choose to update the games. Blame the massive updates on the developer who failed to apparently make the game correct the first 6 times lol. That being said, having the system auto detect the updates, auto download them, and auto install them is awesome compared to what most PC games force you to go through. People on consoles are just a little too whiney about having their products made "better"..... would you be happy with a buggy glitched out game you couldn't play?

Eh, if pressing 1 button and having everything download and install automatically sucks, I guess that's a problem You have to deal with lol. Some people need to just realize that everything can't be instant enjoyment. boohoo I guess for you having to wait a bit for something.

WAY to avoid the fact of what i posted. You quoted me on it and apparently cannot read or comprehend. The top first the FIRST REPLY IN THIS THREAD YOU MADE, so according to you the developer(s) failed to "apparently make the game correct the first 6 times". Which means, in this case, SONY FAIL TO APPARENTLY MAKE THE GAME CORRECT the first ## of times with LBP. Oh you didnt see that facepalm coming did you? Way to dig your own hole on this one.

On top of all that, to reply to the second quote, I never said I have a problem with waiting, but most of the people in the thread are making it a point that instead of removing old updates and including them with new updates, or just having new updates dispatch, you have to do it in the order the patches came out. So, i dont think ANYONE would appreciate just buying a new game, or hell in this case a DIGITAL COPY OFF THE STORE, and still having to download patches from day 1 release of the game till now. SO if there were 6 patches, then someone who bought the game today, DIGITALLY, still has to wait for all 6 patches to install, that lets say came out within the last year since the game released.

So please learn to comprehend instead of just say the same thing 3 times now, you dug yourself a hole. Ill say it again, PATCHING SYSTEM SUCKS. GET OVER IT.

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Don't like it? Take your system offline or just don't sign into the PSN. It's that simple.

Yeah, god forbid Sony actually try to improve the user's experience, right? Maybe the next time my car's radio stops working, I should stop driving.

Eh, if pressing 1 button and having everything download and install automatically sucks, I guess that's a problem You have to deal with lol. Some people need to just realize that everything can't be instant enjoyment. boohoo I guess for you having to wait a bit for something.

You're completely missing the point. I've explained the problem twice already.

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Actually Sony IS at the very least partly to blame for the update process. they had full capability to set rules for patching on PSN and PS3 games, and control how this works. and it's not unprecedented. After all there's another console of the same generation with an online system that does just that ;)

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Meh I prefer no restrictions to patch sizes, means developers can add as much as they want. Most large PS3 patches come with content as well, not just bug fixes.

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Pain's a bad example, the only other game that does the same thing is Hot Shots Golf 5 Out of Bounds, and it's patching is worse.....

Every other PS3 game tends to make cumulative updates, not A->B->C->D, etc.

You own and have played every single PS3 game and PSN game? blink.gif

Meh I prefer no restrictions to patch sizes, means developers can add as much as they want. Most large PS3 patches come with content as well, not just bug fixes.

Meh, I prefer restrictions. In fact, I prefer that games be released bug free with proper testing. If a patch is required, they should be small, infrequent and painless. Extra content should be left for optional DLC (free or paid).

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