bob_c_b Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 There are almost more facebook gamers now then there are console gamers and I doubt many of them are running 64 bit 7 with an i7. The casual gaming market is gigantic and it targets the non-gamer specifically. Not the point, gaming is no longer "nerd" exclusive and has nothing to do with casual or FB games, lots of "regular" people get excited about Madden and Halo updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Bloo Monkee Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 Not the point, gaming is no longer "nerd" exclusive and has nothing to do with casual or FB games, lots of "regular" people get excited about Madden and Halo updates. That makes no sense. Since when were ALL gamers "nerds"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treemonster Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 ps2's were still for nerds only. even xbox 360 and ps3 owners are still nerds. gaming may be more mainstream now than it was 10 years ago, but out side of fb games, it's still for nerds only. there's just more nerds now than there was 10 years ago. That makes no sense. Since when were ALL gamers "nerds"? since the 70s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Bloo Monkee Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 I disagree completely. I don't get why if you play games like Halo and Starcraft you're an uber nerd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedon Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 Um no ps2's were still for nerds only. even xbox 360 and ps3 owners are still nerds. gaming may be more mainstream now than it was 10 years ago, but out side of fb games, it's still for nerds only. there's just more nerds now than there was 10 years ago. since the 70s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Bloo Monkee Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 ^ Glad some other people see that the whole "games are for nerds only" makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakey Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 ^ Glad some other people see that the whole "games are for nerds only" makes no sense. Fantasy football is more "nerdy" than most games... But I have never seen games as nerdy really, but peoples obsession with them can range on it hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedon Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 Games are indeed not just for nerds lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrkrft82 Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 Consoles are for children, tweens, teenage bro-dudes, and adult underachievers. Sorry, but anyone with post secondary education under their belts won't have the time to play games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidSolstice Posted September 22, 2010 Author Share Posted September 22, 2010 Consoles are for children, tweens, teenage bro-dudes, and adult underachievers.??Sorry, but anyone with post secondary education under their belts won't have the time to play games. Eh, I'm not so sure about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setnom Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 Consoles are for children, tweens, teenage bro-dudes, and adult underachievers. Sorry, but anyone with post secondary education under their belts won't have the time to play games. What an ignorant statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xendrome Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 <<Thread Cleaned>> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HyBry Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 My 2 cents... I am a hardcore PC gamer. Hardly EVER play on xbox, but let me tell you I think the problem is. The problem is, its a Generation thing. For people who were raised on the pc before consoles got big, that was the only way to do things, so we are comfortable with that. Just like the newer guys who were raised with consoles, think consoles are the only way to play games. That's all it is. Just like the new kids who think that texting is so easy, were as the old schoolers want a physical keyboard because its easier for them. In large part I agree that it depends on what you were brought up. But it has a lot to do with ignorance. Many people somehow do not realize that there is no right answer here, yet they persist that their opinion is the right one. That is further fueled because developers tend to center their efforts around consoles (please do not start on why they do so as that is different topic) and leaving with lesser game then it would have been if it had been centered around PC (again matter of opinion, but generally console games have less content and possibilities, different UI choices that do not work well on PC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Bloo Monkee Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 Consoles are for children, tweens, teenage bro-dudes, and adult underachievers. Sorry, but anyone with post secondary education under their belts won't have the time to play games. LOL! Yeah, ok. They have no time for TV, movies, Facebook, messing around on the computer, right? People with post-secondary education do none of those things, and therefore have no time for gaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakey Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 LOL! Yeah, ok. They have no time for TV, movies, Facebook, messing around on the computer, right? People with post-secondary education do none of those things, and therefore have no time for gaming. They only make the games :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Bloo Monkee Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 They only make the games :p :laugh: ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookie Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 I think the reason many consider the K/M combo superior is because, in terms of accuracy and flexibility of interface it is better. Quoted for prosperity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treemonster Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 game are like star trek the next generation. in the 90s star trek tng was one of the most popular shows on tv, witha weekly audience that's bigger than any game's launch sales. and yet it was a show for nerds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_c_b Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 game are like star trek the next generation. in the 90s star trek tng was one of the most popular shows on tv, witha weekly audience that's bigger than any game's launch sales. and yet it was a show for nerds. Sorry dude, just no. This "stigma" of all gamers being nerds was broken long ago and video games are as mainstream as any other form of entertainment. Stop by any Best Buy on a big release date and you'll see quite a mix of people, not sure what you are trying to prove by throwing that label around, but it really hasn't applied for a long time. And Star Trek TNG was never mainstream, it was the first "out of the gate" syndicated Star Trek series so it had a very large audience for a ST series, but people who can't wait for the next Madden would not be caught dead watching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedon Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Consoles are for children, tweens, teenage bro-dudes, and adult underachievers. Sorry, but anyone with post secondary education under their belts won't have the time to play games. Epic Fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaCrip Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 well first off ill start by saying i HEAVILY favor the mouse+keyboard but with that said... i never say that consoles don't require skill because they do. but my primary argument against consoles, at least in my personal case, is that they are just to hard to get up to a decent enough level on where as a mouse just feels easier/more natural to use and aim at a fairly quick rate. where as a analog stick feels awkward and takes to long to accurately track something on screen within the required time frame that the game needs to enjoy it to a satisfactory level. (so basically... it's a chore to aim at stuff on a analog stick vs a mouse which sucks the fun out of it etc) because the last time i really used consoles for shooters was basically prior to modern shooters which was GoldenEye on N64 (basically 1997-1999 range. then switch to Quake3/Counter-Strike etc on PC and could not go back) as that was the last shooter on a console i was a big fan of but that is not modern because of the lack of 2 analog sticks etc. so basically by the time consoles got modern (i.e. PS2/Xbox1 (2000/2001+)) i was way to used to a mouse+keyboard and could not get up to a level i consider good because everytime i attempt to use a console i am always at a major handicap because it's just to hard to aim quickly/precisely in a short period of time to the point i can't actually enjoy shooters on a console almost at all. (i could enjoy 'Red Dead Redemption' but since it's all lock-on stuff it dulls it down some but at least i could semi-enjoy it to finish the game where as without some sort of lock-on that game would have been a complete loss for me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Knight Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 First off, I definitely think that m/kb have different skillsets. I personally feel that there are a lot more people on XBL/PS3 are not very good (at FPS games). This makes console gaming feel a lot easier to me, because it is not hard to pick up an xbox controller after not playing for a few months and get at least a 1.5 - 2:1 k/d ratio on games like CoD. I think controllers simplify the process, which is absolutely fine. I think it enables a more casual player to play video games, making the overall environment significantly less competitive than it would be if you played an FPS on a PC. To be on topic, m/kb and controllers both take skill, but I think that a higher percentage of people that use controllers are not as skilled at the game they are playing. The matches are simply less competitive. This might be because a PC gamer is used to hard multi player FPS's like CS, while console FPS like Halo and CoD are much easier to jump into. It is, of course, possible to be dominant at console games, as shown by people that play in mlg and whatnot. I don't see how that's true at all. The largest difference between a keyboard and mouse versus a control comes down to aiming. The rest is basically the same. You have buttons for crap on a controller and you have buttons for crap on a keyboard. The biggest difference is when you aim with your mouse you can get much higher turn speeds thanks to 2000dpi laser mice with ultra-high polling frequencies versus a fixed rate turn speed via the joystick on a controller. The joystick is cumbersome by comparison for aiming purposes to which the main reason for this is that you have to let go of the joystick and have it reset to neutral before you can stop turning. However, the keyboard versus the controller is another story. Most keyboards can't handle more than three button presses at a time. So if you want to move in a diagonal strafe while crouching with the sprint button and switch weapons, you're screwed. You'll have to stop doing one of those actions. On a controller this isn't even a problem. Though in the future when you gets things like Kinect up and running you can further enhance you gaming by using the control in conjunction with the camera. Say, have the camera track your head for free look while aiming, or have it track your eyes for aiming, et cetera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slammers Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 I think your over excagerating aye, the levels of the kind of comments you are refferring to seem pretty low on this forum and certainly every console fps thread is not filled with comments like "omg auto aim loosers" etc. like you make it out to be. I think everyone knows by now that keyboard+mouse is faster aiming plus more accurate, but consoles fps's don't use keyboard + mouse and the two stick method works great so it really is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 I don't see how that's true at all. The largest difference between a keyboard and mouse versus a control comes down to aiming. The rest is basically the same. You have buttons for crap on a controller and you have buttons for crap on a keyboard. The biggest difference is when you aim with your mouse you can get much higher turn speeds thanks to 2000dpi laser mice with ultra-high polling frequencies versus a fixed rate turn speed via the joystick on a controller. The joystick is cumbersome by comparison for aiming purposes to which the main reason for this is that you have to let go of the joystick and have it reset to neutral before you can stop turning. However, the keyboard versus the controller is another story. Most keyboards can't handle more than three button presses at a time. So if you want to move in a diagonal strafe while crouching with the sprint button and switch weapons, you're screwed. You'll have to stop doing one of those actions. On a controller this isn't even a problem. Though in the future when you gets things like Kinect up and running you can further enhance you gaming by using the control in conjunction with the camera. Say, have the camera track your head for free look while aiming, or have it track your eyes for aiming, et cetera. this is exactly why I have a gaming keyboard with on board memory. I can play Snes emulators two player on the same keyboard without issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Knight Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 this is exactly why I have a gaming keyboard with on board memory. I can play Snes emulators two player on the same keyboard without issue. Even so, the developers are going to design their controls/possible actions with the three key limit in mind. It's one of the reasons why even though graphical improvements have grown tremendously on PC the controls are still stuck in the 90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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