Flip_Kid Posted January 1, 2002 Share Posted January 1, 2002 Hi everyone ... :) I have recently purchased a new computer that i would like to network with my old one. My current configuration looks like this Comp1 >---Hub----DSL Modem Comp2 Comp1 has Windows XP and Comp2 has Windows 98. These two computers both access the internet correctly without any problems whatsoever. (sorry if this should be in the winxp forum - it applies to both though because i'm also running 98). These two comps cant see each other on Network Neighbourhood so I can file share - they only see their own shared files. I ran the Windows XP Network Setup Wizard on both and rebooted, but then they still could not connect and see each other successfully (although internet still works right) Please help ! TIA Flip_Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike11212 Posted January 1, 2002 Share Posted January 1, 2002 Right Click Each folder and Drive. Select the Shareing Option Then Select how you want it to be shared. If you did that and it still doesn't work I my self am stumped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip_Kid Posted January 1, 2002 Author Share Posted January 1, 2002 Thanks, i guess i should've mentioned that i already did that :) but thanks anyways ... yeah i'm kind of stumped too :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo Posted January 1, 2002 Share Posted January 1, 2002 Make sure teh netbios is running over tcp. Screenshot for XP below. 98 . Control Panel-> Network-> TCP/IP->WINS I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wd40 Posted January 1, 2002 Share Posted January 1, 2002 Is each PC runing with a static IP from your service provider or are you running NAT? If each computer has it's own IP address from your provider you probably won't be able to see the other computer just like you can't see other computers on your IP address range. It's a security measure setup by your ISP. Now with XP you can bind more than one IP address to your network card but you can't in Win98. If you had XP or NT on that other PC you could run 2 networks basically. One with a 10 net address between your computers and then your internet access connections. The easiest and best way to setup this up is to run NAT. That is where the DSL modem has the IP address binded to it and gives out a 10net address to the PC's. I have a 10/100 switch with all my computers on 10net addresses for the network and my main PC has a modem which dials out and is shared. All of the computers share that connection for internet access. PC 1 - IP: 10.0.0.1 Gateway: 10.0.0.1 Subnet: 255.255.255.0 PC 2 - IP: 10.0.0.2 Gateway: 10.0.0.1 Subnet: 255.255.255.0 PC 3 - IP: 10.0.0.3 Gateway: 10.0.0.1 Subnet: 255.255.255.0 PC 4 - IP: 10.0.0.4 Gateway: 10.0.0.1 Subnet: 255.255.255.0 Notice how all of the PC's point to PC 1 which is the gateway? That is how all of my PC's get internet access and they can all see each other fine because they are all on the same local network and subnet. If you have IP addresses from your ISP on your boxes then your ISP probably has something called Split Horizon enabled on their router so that IP's on the same subnet can't see each other. It's a security deal and they probably won't change that because it affects everyone on that subnet once they take it off. Well this should get an idea on how you can get it setup. If you have any questions let me know. Derek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWCT Posted January 1, 2002 Share Posted January 1, 2002 Ok from my reading and in my win2k books. You cant network win98 with win2k in a network enviroment cause of security reasons. Now Xp is also built on the same technology as win2k so I imangine it would prob be the same. Heck I had problems just trying to get the home edition and pro XP to network together. If someone else knows some mysterious way around this issue with 98/win2k/xp please tell me i like to know. But in the MCSE books says no way :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wd40 Posted January 1, 2002 Share Posted January 1, 2002 You can network any Windows boxes together. It's not as hard as it seems. Windows 95, 98, Me, 2000, XP anything... how do you think companies have Win98 boxes and W2K servers all networked together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo Posted January 1, 2002 Share Posted January 1, 2002 With the simple file sharing in XP , it is easier for the average user to share his files... To share a 2K share you needed to know the correct share permissions to place on the files.. otherwise it would that easy.. but wd40 is right you can network any M$ box to another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo Posted January 1, 2002 Share Posted January 1, 2002 BTW dont believe every M$ says you can and can not do... Most of their documents are wholey unrealistic in the today's world. Also i have read some papers they have written for IIS and NT were they ask you to do two different and oppisite ways to secure your boxes. But i will end my M$ rant now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip_Kid Posted January 1, 2002 Author Share Posted January 1, 2002 OK thanks for all the quick responses you guys - you rock !!! LOL :D unfortunately , geronimo yours didn't work (but thanks) and wd40 - i have no clue how to implement yours :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWCT Posted January 1, 2002 Share Posted January 1, 2002 Originally posted by wd40 You can network any Windows boxes together. It's not as hard as it seems. Windows 95, 98, Me, 2000, XP anything... how do you think companies have Win98 boxes and W2K servers all networked together? Well then someone better write MS Press then and alert them? I havnt used 98 since about 3 years ago so i was just stating what i read. Like i said it was in one of the MCSE MS Press books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wd40 Posted January 2, 2002 Share Posted January 2, 2002 Flip_Kid, What are the IP's you have on each of your boxes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWCT Posted January 2, 2002 Share Posted January 2, 2002 Originally posted by wd40 You can network any Windows boxes together. It's not as hard as it seems. Windows 95, 98, Me, 2000, XP anything... how do you think companies have Win98 boxes and W2K servers all networked together? Ok then how? i can setup any network peer to peer or domain/client with win2kpro/xp pro win2kpro/advanced server win2kpro/.net server xppro/.net server you get the idea i am sure :-) but i havnt ever been quite so lucky with any winme/98/95. Now at a school i used to work at we had nt4/linux server with 98/wkstn4 for clients. NWCT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip_Kid Posted January 2, 2002 Author Share Posted January 2, 2002 You have sent a message! under 98: 1 Ethernet adapter : IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 142.179.xx.xx Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.248.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . : 142.179.0.254 under xp: Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : xxxxxxxxxxxx IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 66.183.xxxx.xxxxx Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.192.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 66.183.0.254 my friend said it might have something to do with the subnet masks being different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWCT Posted January 2, 2002 Share Posted January 2, 2002 Originally posted by scoobie lol thank god i didnt have to deal with all that i paid someone to network my house :disappoin :disappoin :disappoin :alien: So how much do they get for that? What all did they do i am curious :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wd40 Posted January 2, 2002 Share Posted January 2, 2002 Yup... your computers won't be able to talk to each other because of 3 reasons. IP address, Subnet and Gateways are all different thus they can't see each other at all no matter what you do. Let me work up a solution for you in a min. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo Posted January 2, 2002 Share Posted January 2, 2002 i think the best solution is going to be getting a Cable/DSL router. Linksys is the best in my opinion.. Also just uses the IP to access the files for the time being.. open up a web browser the uses this systex.. XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX that should allow you to see the files but so will everybody else. I would most likely edit your post here not that i think anybody here would mess with you but you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wd40 Posted January 2, 2002 Share Posted January 2, 2002 Geronimo has a good idea. Your DSL/Router would have one IP address from your ISP assigned to it and since it has built in NAT and a 4-5 port hub built in your workstations would all need to be set to DHCP to get an IP address. I'll still see if I can come up with a solution for you without having to buy any more equipment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWCT Posted January 2, 2002 Share Posted January 2, 2002 Originally posted by scoobie cost lil over 200.00 and my whole house is wired even the garages and such Did they just do the wiring or did they set the computers up for you as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip_Kid Posted January 2, 2002 Author Share Posted January 2, 2002 Geronimo: thank you very much for alerting me to this fact. But this obviously is not sending over the network as it is going at a speed of 75kb/sec and i have a 10mbps network. also, thanks for alerting me to the security implications of this ... how can i enable it so the files are shared over the network only? or is this impossible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo Posted January 2, 2002 Share Posted January 2, 2002 because you having differnet gateways you will not just cross the hub to transfer the files.. you have to leave the gateway of computer one to access computer two. I could go into more detail if you want but basically you are going to your ISP and then back to your other pc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo Posted January 2, 2002 Share Posted January 2, 2002 on the 9X machine you can put simple share permissions. Have seen a 9X box in awhile so i dont remember where the tabs are at but you should see a read password and full control password section. Check the read and full control options and enter in a password. on the XP box there is really no easy way that i know without domain security being involved.. but i am sure it could be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo Posted January 2, 2002 Share Posted January 2, 2002 Originally posted by NWCT Well then someone better write MS Press then and alert them? I am not saying that the M$ stuff is wrong but when taking with other products it in not right. Example MS Exchange recommends you install on a Domain controller. MS NT says that you should restrict logon locally to admins only. OWA requires that the users have the logon locally right or it wont work. This is what i am talking about. Happens alot. Each product has it's own idea of how to secure a box with their item on it. They seem to write their own documention in a vaccum instead of the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wd40 Posted January 2, 2002 Share Posted January 2, 2002 I think I may have a solution for you Flip_Kid. Here is a network design that should work fine for your setup. The DSL modem will route traffic to the XP box which should in return route traffic to the 10 net address and then back. If it doesn't work let me know. I'm not quite sure how XP handles routing since I haven't looked into it yet in XP. Hope this helps, Derek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip_Kid Posted January 2, 2002 Author Share Posted January 2, 2002 Wow thanks a lot - it looks like it jsut might work there hehe :) But the thing is - I dont have another pc to put there... is tha tone required? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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